I've just read the debate (twice). I have many questions, maybe you can answer a few. Maybe others can answer some also.
1) You and Paradosis have both said you don't know why there were no "rebuttals" to "Papal supremacy" claims. When dealing with Protestants we both (RC and OC) put forth the Fathers as proof of what the early Church taught. Many of the documents are "Against such and such heresy or heretic". They were REFUTATIONS of heresy, the Fathers were very protective of Orthodoxy. My question is: Doesn't it bother you there were no refutations of claims of Papal supremacy?
2) The Debate didn't deal at all with the quote from Damasas:
"Likewise it is decreed . . . that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18-19]. The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).
Do you consider it genuine and accurate?
3) In the Debate Jerry (the RC) posed this question to Joe (the OC):
"Jerry’s Question #3
St. Theodore the Studite wrote to Pope Leo III[795-816]:
...O arch-shepherd of the church... save us now... For if they, usurping an authority which does not belong to them, have dared to convene a heretical council, whereas those who follow ancient custom do not even have the right of convening an orthodox one without your knowledge, it seems absolutely necessary, we dare to say to you, that your divine primacy should call together a lawful council, so that the Catholic dogma may drive out heresy and that your primacy may neither be anathematized by these new voices lacking authority...
It is in order to obey your divine authority as chief pastor that we have set forth these things as it befitted our nothingness... [PG 99: 1017-21]
St. Theodore wrote to Pope Paschal[817-824]:
... O apostolic head, divinely established shepherd of Christ’s sheep, doorkeeper of the heavenly kingdom, rock of the faith on which the Catholic Church has been built. For you are Peter-- you are the successor of Peter, whose throne you grace and direct... To you did Christ our God say, "When you have been converted, strengthen your brethren." Now is the time and the place: help us, you who have been established by God for that purpose... [PG 99: 1152-3]
Do you agree that St. Theodore believed the authority of the Pope was a Divine Rite? If not, why?"
Here was Joe's answer:
No. St Theodore’s request to Pope Leo III, who, by right of his being first in the episcopate and Orthodox confession, is entirely canonical, since nothing ever happens without the consent of the senior Bishop in a province, barring heresy. (No one disputes that the Pope of Rome was the First Hierarch in the Orthodox Church.) See Canon 34 of the Holy Apostles (referring to any Episcopal actions), Canon 6 of Nicea (referring to Episcopal elections), Canon 25 of the 4th Ecumenical Council (elections must be ratified by the Metropolitan), and Canons 9, 19, and 20 of Antioch. Note his words: whereas those who follow ancient custom do not even have the right of convening an orthodox one without your knowledge. This is in line with the canons spanning over centuries.
As for the second quote: I must note that St Theodore speaks, in many cases, symbolically: This can be demonstrated by noting that the Testament of St Theodore, written in 826 to the superiors of monasteries, also references Matthew 16:19. (See PG 99, col 1821):
22. You shall not take charge of the treasury room nor assume the cares of stewardship, but let your key be the greatest care of souls, of loosing and binding according to the Scriptures (cf. Matt.16:19). (Testament, St Theodore of Studios, translation of Timothy Miller, cit. http://www.doaks.org/typ009.pdf
I certainly would not go so far as to say that St Theodore believed in a "Divine Right of Papal Primacy", though it is clear he relied on Orthodox Popes and had great respect for them. There’s no evidence, certainly not what’s presented here, to make a Primatial claim."
Do you agree with Joe? It sure seems to me St Theodore the Studite believed in the "divine primacy". Joe's answer wasn't very convincing, although it is the first quote I've seen where Matt.16:18 was used in conjunction with anyone or anything but the Bishop of Rome.
I have other questions, but these are the primary ones.