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Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« on: January 17, 2014, 06:14:44 PM »
Does anyone have any information on whether the Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) project is still in the works, or has it been permanently shelved? The website (orthodoxanswers.org) is still up and running, but has not been updated in more than a year. Most Orthodox Christians use the Orthodox Study Bible (OSB) as their translation of choice. While some impressive names are attached to the OSB, and with due acknowledgment being given to its many strengths, the NKJV New Testament and a watered-down "Septuagint" translation have been problematic for some - including myself. I was most impressed with the EOB New Testament (translated from the 1904 text authorized by the ecumenical patriarchate), but am starting to believe that the Septuagint Old Testament will never materialize. The aforementioned website promised publication of the entire Bible as far back as 2009. Perhaps this is due to the OSB's popularity, lack of support/ translators for an alternative effort, or some combination of both. If anyone can provide any illumination on whether the EOB is still in progress, as also any other Orthodox-produced versions of the entire Bible, I would be most appreciative.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 03:04:05 AM »
I would like to know too. It's a great Orthodox translation.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 09:32:52 AM »
What is the root reason why a project like that hasn't been completed?

Too many Orthodox view it as unnecessary?
Too difficult to coordinate Orthodox scholars from various places?
Lack of funds to support project?

Do converts have an elevated interest in projects like that stemming from some of their residual Protestant values?

I'm really just curious - no condemnation here.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 09:35:40 AM »
A full Orthodox translation of the Septuagint, in the style of the KJV, can be found online here: http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/zot.htm

The last I heard, it was supposed to be printed by St. Innocent Press early this year.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2014, 09:40:10 AM »
What is the root reason why a project like that hasn't been completed?

Too many Orthodox view it as unnecessary?
Too difficult to coordinate Orthodox scholars from various places?
Lack of funds to support project?

Do converts have an elevated interest in projects like that stemming from some of their residual Protestant values?

I'm really just curious - no condemnation here.

I think the basic problem is there are too many people doing the same basic project. There is the OSB, the Peter Papoutsis translation, the Holy Apostles New Testament, the EOB, the Michael Asser translation- not to mention the many different Psalter translations. These are generally small scale efforts involving one person or a handful of people, with perhaps some approval from a bishop or two but no official ecclesiastic sanction. We do not currently have the administrative coherence/ unity to oversee such a project in a unified way.

There is of course nothing especially Protestant about wanting a complete, readable, usable Orthodox bible in English.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2014, 11:03:01 AM »
AFAIK historically speaking the Orthodox have not been interested in having vernacular translations of the Bible. IIRC the first Russian translation was conducted by some Protestants.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2014, 03:45:21 PM »
A severe error in the OSB is its treatment of LXX Psalm 22:

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over."

Seeing as this psalm is a Eucharistic psalm used in preparing for Communion, how do they justify this? If they are that sloppy in a well known passage, what else have they followed the MT in?

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2014, 04:17:32 PM »
A severe error in the OSB is its treatment of LXX Psalm 22:

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over."

Seeing as this psalm is a Eucharistic psalm used in preparing for Communion, how do they justify this? If they are that sloppy in a well known passage, what else have they followed the MT in?
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2014, 04:31:16 PM »
A severe error in the OSB is its treatment of LXX Psalm 22:

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over."

Seeing as this psalm is a Eucharistic psalm used in preparing for Communion, how do they justify this? If they are that sloppy in a well known passage, what else have they followed the MT in?
How would you translate it?

I would translate it according to the LXX and not according to the Masoretic Text.

HTM Psalter: "Thy cup which filleth me, how excellent it is!"
St Tikhon's Seminary Press: "and most excellent is Thy Cup which brings me joy!"
Agpeya.org: "Your cup makes me drunk like power."
Brenton's LXX: "and thy cup cheers me like the best wine."
Publican's Prayer Book: "Your chalice which fills me, how glorious it is!"

It is amazing that this pre-Communion Psalm was ignored in the OSB's correcting of the NKJV OT to the Septuagint.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2014, 05:53:28 PM »
The KJV is better than the NKJV and all modern translations.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2015, 01:05:42 AM »
   I would like to know if anyone knows the status of the EOB Old Testament. I've been genuinely looking forward to the translation. I have the EOB New Testament.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 10:23:56 PM »
According to  orthodoxanswers.org the project was on hiatus from 2012 to 2015 but is now resumed. They say a revised version of St. Philaret's catechism will be released this year.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 11:02:48 PM »
So, once there's finally an EO Bible, are other translations going to be official discouraged from use? Is it that official?
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 10:18:03 AM »
No. There's nothing really official about this at all. As far as I can tell, it's chiefly the work of one priest (Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck). This has some disadvantages as the work seems to bear a few of his personal idiosyncrasies.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 11:11:14 AM »
No. There's nothing really official about this at all. As far as I can tell, it's chiefly the work of one priest (Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck). This has some disadvantages as the work seems to bear a few of his personal idiosyncrasies.

Such as?

No translated work is done in a vacuum, so they all bear to some extent a mark of their makers, but are these examples more overt -- i.e. does it equate to a Bible "corrected" to "Orthodox" thought?
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 11:33:11 AM »
No. There's nothing really official about this at all. As far as I can tell, it's chiefly the work of one priest (Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck). This has some disadvantages as the work seems to bear a few of his personal idiosyncrasies.

Such as?

Rendering "episkopos" as "overseer", but using "presbyter" for "presbyteros." An appendix in the end explaining why all bishops should be called successors of Peter instead of successors of the apostles.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2016, 11:43:19 AM »
No. There's nothing really official about this at all. As far as I can tell, it's chiefly the work of one priest (Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck). This has some disadvantages as the work seems to bear a few of his personal idiosyncrasies.

Such as?

Rendering "episkopos" as "overseer", but using "presbyter" for "presbyteros." An appendix in the end explaining why all bishops should be called successors of Peter instead of successors of the apostles.

Ah, thanks.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2016, 12:10:04 PM »
Does anyone have any information on whether the Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) project is still in the works, or has it been permanently shelved? The website (orthodoxanswers.org) is still up and running, but has not been updated in more than a year. Most Orthodox Christians use the Orthodox Study Bible (OSB) as their translation of choice. While some impressive names are attached to the OSB, and with due acknowledgment being given to its many strengths, the NKJV New Testament and a watered-down "Septuagint" translation have been problematic for some - including myself. I was most impressed with the EOB New Testament (translated from the 1904 text authorized by the ecumenical patriarchate), but am starting to believe that the Septuagint Old Testament will never materialize. The aforementioned website promised publication of the entire Bible as far back as 2009. Perhaps this is due to the OSB's popularity, lack of support/ translators for an alternative effort, or some combination of both. If anyone can provide any illumination on whether the EOB is still in progress, as also any other Orthodox-produced versions of the entire Bible, I would be most appreciative.

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2016, 12:16:29 PM »
That's true, all the Anglophone Orthodox bishops have come out in favor of KJV-onlyism, as seen the latest encyclical by Metropolitan Jack Chick.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2016, 01:32:46 PM »
That's true, all the Anglophone Orthodox bishops have come out in favor of KJV-onlyism, as seen the latest encyclical by Metropolitan Jack Iakovos Chick.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2016, 02:18:55 PM »
That's true, all the Anglophone Orthodox bishops have come out in favor of KJV-onlyism, as seen the latest encyclical by Metropolitan Jack Iakovos (Chick).

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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2016, 02:32:38 PM »
A severe error in the OSB is its treatment of LXX Psalm 22:
I would translate it according to the LXX....

HTM Psalter: "Thy cup which filleth me, how excellent it is!"
St Tikhon's Seminary Press: "and most excellent is Thy Cup which brings me joy!"
Agpeya.org: "Your cup makes me drunk like power."
Brenton's LXX: "and thy cup cheers me like the best wine."
Publican's Prayer Book: "Your chalice which fills me, how glorious it is!"
Does anyone here know Greek?
ἡτοίμασας ἐνώπιόν μου τράπεζαν ἐξ ἐναντίας τῶν θλιβόντων με ἐλίπανας ἐν ἐλαίῳ τὴν κεφαλήν μου καὶ τὸ ποτήριόν σου μεθύσκον ὡς κράτιστον

1757 Slavonic version:
Уготовал еси предо мною трапезу сопротив стужающым мне: умастил еси елеом главу мою, и чаша твоя упоявающи мя, яко державна.

Prepared before me a table against my opponents: anointed with oil my head, and your chalice satisfy/fill me as an authority.

My translation into English from Slavonic!

word for word:
чаша твоя упоявающи мя, яко державна
chalice yours filling/satisfying me, as/like a power
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2016, 04:48:45 AM »
That's true, all the Anglophone Orthodox bishops have come out in favor of KJV-onlyism, as seen the latest encyclical by Metropolitan Jack Iakovos (Chick)Ιάκωβος νεοσσός.
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Re: Status of Eastern Orthodox Bible (EOB) Old Testament?
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2016, 07:02:30 AM »
Ugh. Lord, have mercy on us English speaking Orthodox :(
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