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Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« on: August 12, 2013, 03:35:43 AM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  What happens to a Presbyterian or Lutheran pastor if he/she divorces/gets divorced?  Does that person remain clergy?  Why/ why not?

This is for all Protestants, not just Lutherans and Presbyterians.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 06:51:44 AM »
Baptists can continue if they wish.  Some do, some don't.  Some remarry and keep pastoring.  I always thought that odd.

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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 07:13:33 AM »
I only saw it once, so I don't know if it was the norm:  A pastor divorce because of adultery and stepped down.  A while later (a year?  I don't remember) , was remarried and pastoring a church in a different state, same Pentecostal.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 01:30:12 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized. 

What? Who told you that?
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 03:06:57 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  What happens to a Presbyterian or Lutheran pastor if he/she divorces/gets divorced?  Does that person remain clergy?  Why/ why not?

This is for all Protestants, not just Lutherans and Presbyterians.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 03:14:54 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized. 

What? Who told you that?

It's not canon law as far as I know, but an established practice.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 03:17:37 PM »
It would also come as a surprise to His Holiness


Or to his beatitude



It's not canon law as far as I know, but an established practice.

Established where?
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 03:51:56 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  What happens to a Presbyterian or Lutheran pastor if he/she divorces/gets divorced?  Does that person remain clergy?  Why/ why not?

This is for all Protestants, not just Lutherans and Presbyterians.
News to me, whether I agree with it or not.

It would also come as a surprise to His Holiness


Neocæsarea 8 requires a clergyman to divorce his adulterous wife in order to remain in good standing. So, divorce itself does not necessitate deposition. There are many clergy who divorce their wives and remain clergy. Hundreds in Russia and Romania, for sure. Theoretically, they only remain clergy if the ecclesiastical court finds them to be the innocent party in the divorce. It is forbidden for them to remarry, though -- at least officially.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 08:46:53 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  What happens to a Presbyterian or Lutheran pastor if he/she divorces/gets divorced?  Does that person remain clergy?  Why/ why not?

This is for all Protestants, not just Lutherans and Presbyterians.

If we haven't already, we'll probably soon hear of exceptions, where divorced Orthodox priests continued to serve as priests. My guess is this would happen if the wife was unfaithful or something.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 08:47:17 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized. 

What? Who told you that?

Ah, here we go. The prologue.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2013, 01:48:07 PM »
Baptists can continue if they wish.  Some do, some don't.  Some remarry and keep pastoring.  I always thought that odd.

Different people interpret the scriptures on divorce differently, but many hold that divorce is permitted if a spouse is unfaithful, or refuses to live with the Christian because he or she is a Christian. The innocent party is not held guilty, neither is (s)he required to divorce the unfaithful spouse, but merely has the scriptural right to, if (s)he wishes.

We do not have a doctrine of priesthood and laity, therefore a pastor cannot become lay or non-priestly, but is a pastor by reason of his appointment to that position. It's his function, not his ontology. If he is the innocent party in a divorce, there is no moral or other compelling reason why he should resign or be dismissed. However, he might possibly feel it right to resign, for the sake of the honour of the church, as pastors are required in the pastoral epistles to manage their households well, and clearly he has not achieved this, and in order to deflect malicious ill-informed gossip by outsiders or (worse) by church members.

If he is the guilty party, he should indeed resign or be dismissed, but I see no reason why he should not become a pastor again later, perhaps after some years, if there is strong enough reason to believe in his repentance and reformation. After all, the apostle Peter was reinstated, though not after the same offence.

As regards denominations, I do not know how it is in the USA, but here in Britain men become often pastors in a denomination other than their own, if the pastor and the congregation sense a oneness of mind and spirit, so that men might move without difficulty between Baptist, Congregational, independent Evangelical, or Pentecostal churches. (Many Congregational churches have adopted believers' baptism, or a man might accept a call to a pastorate with the understanding that he would not himself 'baptise' infants, but would not try to obstruct such a ceremony being performed by a visiting Congregational minister if the parents so wished.)
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2013, 03:13:07 PM »
On this same line of discussion, what if a wife leaves her husband for another man? Can he remarry and become a priest or remain in the priesthood?
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2013, 03:18:12 PM »
On this same line of discussion, what if a wife leaves her husband for another man? Can he remarry and become a priest or remain in the priesthood?
Keeping to traditions and canons, no, not if he remarries.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2013, 03:19:46 PM »
That's what I thought. It just seems unfortunate that the person who was abandoned suffer for someone else's choices.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2013, 03:26:44 PM »
I know pastors in protestant circles who had open girlfriends while married. Also, my mother-in-law is a "pastor" (United Methodist) and she has been married 3 times.

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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2013, 04:13:49 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  

What? Who told you that?

I've heard about it. IIRC my former parish has a former deacon who was laicized because of divorce. He's still does some youth ministry though.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2013, 06:55:31 AM »
I know pastors in protestant circles who had open girlfriends while married. Also, my mother-in-law is a "pastor" (United Methodist) and she has been married 3 times.

It's a crazy world out there...

That's pretty good.  My grandmother was a Pentecostal "pastor", but she was only married twice.  My aunt is currently also a "pastor" but she is with her one and only husband.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2013, 02:39:09 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  

What? Who told you that?

I've heard about it. IIRC my former parish has a former deacon who was laicized because of divorce. He's still does some youth ministry though.

Our former primate was divorced. I know one deacon who is divorced too and keeps serving.
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Re: Are pastors still pastors after divorce?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2013, 03:35:05 PM »
In the Orthodox churches, if a married priest is divorced by his wife or divorces his wife, he is laicized.  

What? Who told you that?

I've heard about it. IIRC my former parish has a former deacon who was laicized because of divorce. He's still does some youth ministry though.

Our former primate was divorced. I know one deacon who is divorced too and keeps serving.

*shrugs* Good for them. Basically every bishop can apply canons as he seems fit.
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