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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2013, 01:37:38 AM »

for one, the likes of JesusisIam.
What on earth are you talking about? YiM doesn't even live in the world, let a lone has student loan debt.

You sure you are reading what I'm writing because your responses are so off the mark.

When you quoted me saying extreme frugality was how you successfully take care of children in the working-middle-class, I specifically had YIM in mind.  Most people cannot live like that.  Personally, I find the guy inspiring, but most people I am inspired by I doubt I will ever imitate, nor hold anyone else up to their standard.
He's hardly inspiring except for the reactionary Westerners who want something that resembles their pretensions to living a "monastic" life while having a family.

YiM's life is a complete and total fantasy.
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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2013, 01:37:38 AM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?

And it's only going to get worse from here. Sad part is I'm in a very well paying job that is completely expendable at any moment in time.
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2013, 02:51:40 PM »

for one, the likes of JesusisIam.
What on earth are you talking about? YiM doesn't even live in the world, let a lone has student loan debt.

You sure you are reading what I'm writing because your responses are so off the mark.

When you quoted me saying extreme frugality was how you successfully take care of children in the working-middle-class, I specifically had YIM in mind.  Most people cannot live like that.  Personally, I find the guy inspiring, but most people I am inspired by I doubt I will ever imitate, nor hold anyone else up to their standard.
He's hardly inspiring except for the reactionary Westerners who want something that resembles their pretensions to living a "monastic" life while having a family.

YiM's life is a complete and total fantasy.

Not sure what you mean by that.  Is he not telling us the truth about his life and lifestyle?  How do you know this?
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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2013, 03:32:01 PM »

Having debt is not necessarily a bad thing.  It is what you do with that debt that can be good or bad.  If you take a loan out to invest to buy a house or invest in your business, it can be a very good thing albeit with some risk.  If you take a loan out to go on vacation, that is bad debt.  Loans are a tool and can be used or misused.
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2013, 03:33:10 PM »

Did I miss something? What's YiM's lifestyle?
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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2013, 03:34:09 PM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?
Is he going into debt to lie on the beach?
And it's only going to get worse from here. Sad part is I'm in a very well paying job that is completely expendable at any moment in time.
Thank the B schools.
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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2013, 03:43:01 PM »

for one, the likes of JesusisIam.
What on earth are you talking about? YiM doesn't even live in the world, let a lone has student loan debt.

You sure you are reading what I'm writing because your responses are so off the mark.

When you quoted me saying extreme frugality was how you successfully take care of children in the working-middle-class, I specifically had YIM in mind.  Most people cannot live like that.  Personally, I find the guy inspiring, but most people I am inspired by I doubt I will ever imitate, nor hold anyone else up to their standard.
He's hardly inspiring except for the reactionary Westerners who want something that resembles their pretensions to living a "monastic" life while having a family.

YiM's life is a complete and total fantasy.
I've actually known a number of people like JesusisIam, though not as extreme (he mentions something having a chicken coup. I don't know-does he live on a farm).  A lot of them had careers in high tech, and decided to put that to use in the service of their families rather than conforming their family to that lifestyle (e.g. working from home or with their own business, etc.).

I don't watch the Dugers (spelling?-the ones with the 19 kids), but my mother does.  The clips I've seen (she records it, which I find odd, since she supports not only contraception but abortion as well, and doesn't care for having children-though we never knew that growing up (nor do our own children know now)-and she had four). I wouldn't say 21 was my ideal family size, but they're the ones raising them (I only question it now because the 19th seems to have problems related from the pregnancy, perhaps signaling that the production line should be calling it quits).  They don't live in poverty (even before the show), even with such extreme numbers.  They don't, however, try to keep up with the Joneses (even in number of children, from what I've seen.  But again, I don't watch the show).
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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2013, 04:10:47 PM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?
Is he going into debt to lie on the beach?

He said about what I expected. 

Nope, I have been to a beach a couple times in my life, but in nearly 29 years I don't think twice is all that extravagant. 

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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2013, 04:26:03 PM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?
Is he going into debt to lie on the beach?

He said about what I expected. 

Nope, I have been to a beach a couple times in my life, but in nearly 29 years I don't think twice is all that extravagant. 



But how much debt did you accrue to do it?? Grin
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2013, 04:35:06 PM »

There's a little magazine in Greece, a publication of a support organisation for large families, that I used to pick up when I saw it in church. 8 kids was the smallest family I remember seeing featured there; there was always someone with over 12 in each issue, usually a priest (go figure). Last weekend, I was going through an archive of sermons from the diocese of Florina, where having two kids was repeatedly considered 'demonic influence'. As much as I respect the bishop, I believe he's greatly exaggerating. Greece doesn't have anything like the support for every family and child that the UK has; if two is all one can manage, then that will have to do. Guilt-tripping just doesn't work.

I have one, who will remain the one, and if anyone tries to give me lip about it, I reply that, if God wanted me to have more kids, he would have sent me the right man at 20, not at 35.
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« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2013, 04:38:23 PM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?
Is he going into debt to lie on the beach?

He said about what I expected. 

Nope, I have been to a beach a couple times in my life, but in nearly 29 years I don't think twice is all that extravagant. 



But how much debt did you accrue to do it?? Grin

None.  The first time I was in 3rd Grade or thereabouts and the second I had sufficient money saved up over a couple months to do it.   Wink
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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »

I also am unmarried and have no children, and probably will not in the near future, if at all depending on the state of the economy.  The possibility of debt plays a major role in this decision.
Now what would Isa say here?

Selfish?
Is he going into debt to lie on the beach?

He said about what I expected. 

Nope, I have been to a beach a couple times in my life, but in nearly 29 years I don't think twice is all that extravagant. 



But how much debt did you accrue to do it?? Grin

None.  The first time I was in 3rd Grade or thereabouts and the second I had sufficient money saved up over a couple months to do it.   Wink


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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2013, 04:43:06 PM »

There's a little magazine in Greece, a publication of a support organisation for large families, that I used to pick up when I saw it in church. 8 kids was the smallest family I remember seeing featured there; there was always someone with over 12 in each issue, usually a priest (go figure). Last weekend, I was going through an archive of sermons from the diocese of Florina, where having two kids was repeatedly considered 'demonic influence'. As much as I respect the bishop, I believe he's greatly exaggerating. Greece doesn't have anything like the support for every family and child that the UK has; if two is all one can manage, then that will have to do. Guilt-tripping just doesn't work.

I have one, who will remain the one, and if anyone tries to give me lip about it, I reply that, if God wanted me to have more kids, he would have sent me the right man at 20, not at 35.

Two is good enough for replacement.  If people would die earlier or work longer replacement would be more than sufficient.  Then again, we probably have enough mechanization to get enough output to support the old with basic replacement.  The problem is when you have declining populations.  Then it might be time to incentiveize having children.  Back in "the good old days of your" people had more kids because they were useful farm labour and also due to high childhood mortality.  A woman might have 8 kids and see two of them to adulthood - or a man might have 14 kids and see 2 or 3 into adulthood and 1 of 3 wives into old age.

As for your last line, if we wanted to have more childrearing families we would let out parents pick a good enough man/woman at 18.   Cheesy
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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2013, 04:48:56 PM »

As for your last line, if we wanted to have more childrearing families we would let out parents pick a good enough man/woman at 18.   Cheesy

As soon as I was done with university, my aunts (on one strain of the family only Huh) started mentioning matching me up with one of their other nephews on every visit. Creeped the bejaysus out of me. They didn't even stop when I found a boyfriend of my own, at 28. My family was not exactly the kind I'd trust on matching recommendations...
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« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2013, 04:56:05 PM »

As for your last line, if we wanted to have more childrearing families we would let out parents pick a good enough man/woman at 18.   Cheesy

As soon as I was done with university, my aunts (on one strain of the family only Huh) started mentioning matching me up with one of their other nephews on every visit. Creeped the bejaysus out of me. They didn't even stop when I found a boyfriend of my own, at 28. My family was not exactly the kind I'd trust on matching recommendations...

Modified:  If we wanted to have more childrearing families we would let our non-interbreeding parents pick a good enough man/woman at 18.  
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