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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 03:40:00 PM »
"All that the Father has belongs likewise to the Son, except Causality."
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 03:47:57 PM »
The Roman Catholics do seem to go the way of the Anglicans. I really do feel sorry for the Traditionalists.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 04:04:30 PM »
New Liturgical custom now in the RCC?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dancing+bishops+Brazil&mid=8943986718CD8E63D6458943986718CD8E63D645&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
Doesn't look like mass.

Is this the proper conduct to be shown by a leader of their flock?  Im confused, are bishops supposed to act this way? At least I don't have to be embarrassed by this......not any more.  I can see maybe one or two but a whole flock?
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 04:11:38 PM »
I'm sorry for triumphalism but every time I hear or see something like this I'm happy I didn't convert to Catholicism. I love my irrelevant and outdated Church.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 04:13:43 PM »
New Liturgical custom now in the RCC?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dancing+bishops+Brazil&mid=8943986718CD8E63D6458943986718CD8E63D645&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
Doesn't look like mass.

Is this the proper conduct to be shown by a leader of their flock?  Im confused, are bishops supposed to act this way? At least I don't have to be embarrassed by this......not any more.  I can see maybe one or two but a whole flock?
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 04:16:54 PM »
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
I agree.

And the Youtube video of the Papal Mass on the beach was hard to sit through. I miss Pope Benedict.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 04:21:14 PM »
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
I agree.

And the Youtube video of the Papal Mass on the beach was hard to sit through. I miss Pope Benedict.

Just my opinion but I got the impression that Pope Benedict was "conservative" and this new Pope Francis a "Liberal".....I could be out of my element here but that's whats coming across to me.

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 04:37:23 PM »
Not that I care about dancing bishops.

And really apropos of nothing, but the RCC has been rotting in its core for a long time now.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2013, 05:32:49 PM »
It's pretty silly, but as others have pointed out, it's not a service and it doesn't pretend to be one.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2013, 05:56:41 PM »
This part of the Papal Mass

WYD

Reminds me of this from my childhood

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 06:05:53 PM »
Hmmm. And when our Pope comes to visit, we sing "Pi Ehmot Gar" instead of dancing around like idiots.

I think I'll stick with Orthodoxy, though I do sincerely feel bad for the many I have known who are in union with Rome who are sick of garbage such as in that video. :-[

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 06:19:28 PM »
This part of the Papal Mass

WYD

Reminds me of this from my childhood

Sunshine Day

The Roman Catholic Church seems to be trapped in a 1970s nightmare.

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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 06:32:37 PM »
I'm sorry for triumphalism but ... I love my irrelevant and outdated Church.

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2013, 07:37:18 PM »
This part of the Papal Mass

WYD

Reminds me of this from my childhood

Sunshine Day

The Roman Catholic Church seems to be trapped in a 1970s nightmare.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2013, 07:50:23 PM »
I'm surprised so many bishops went along with this. I imagine there were some who refused to do this, but it doesn't seem like their influence had much of an impact.

I mean, most of them are old men. They're about as hip as a hip replacement.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2013, 10:16:32 PM »
As a "Latin-rite" Catholic I find this all very sad and disheartening. This is one of the reasons I had initiated my inquiries here regarding a move to the Orthodox, which I decided was not the way for me to proceed in my own attempt to find the divine.

Indeed, my church seems stuck in some 1970's guitar strumming hippie love fest.  The current Pope seems to have very real contempt for those of his flock who love tradition, whom he incorrectly describes as "palagians" ( he should study his heresies before spouting off).  He seems to belittle and laugh at us on a regular basis.  I am not a sedecavantist.  That said, it seems to me that the Pope would be quite happy if the traditionalist would all just go away, join the SSPX, and leave him and the church alone to become some sort of hippy-dippy "social justice" NGO.

HE IS A JESUIT.

Quite frankly I am surprised that anyone is surprised by this. Add on top of this the US bishops confusion of socialism with Christian charity, aka "Liberation Theology" and it makes my head hurt.

I am really tired of it all.  The Neocats are welcomed into the church, the traditionalist derided.  Why?
What do they fear from 1500 years of liturgical tradition?  I don't understand, but then I am not an enlightened leader of the church.

All I can do at this point is to try to not loose my temper, and my soul along with it.  I remain faithful to the teachings of the Church.  It's leaders come and go. As long as I can access the sacraments, my soul is mine to loose, not the Pope's.

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2013, 11:14:33 PM »
Not our concern.

Of course it's lame, but it's no goat sacrifice to Crom Cruach or telling a joke or other such devilish practices.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2013, 11:36:33 PM »
I know enough about Catholicism to know this does not appear to be part of a Mass. They are in cassocks and  are not vested.

That being said, they do look silly - but happy. Yes, this looks like a Mel Brooks imagined scene with Richard Simmons leading "Simon Says." Old guys trying to look "cool" usually look silly and they do look silly, but cut them some slack here.

Also though, it is amazing how many young people were there and how genuine their love for God and THEIR CHURCH (not ours) seemed to be. Perhaps, we are a bit jealous?

My Bishop spent the last month at our diocesan summer camp sessions and really got to know the young people. I'm sure some of you would "tut tut" at the photos of him wearing a Pirates baseball camp while he enjoyed the dizzy bat race and laughing while the campers played with water balloons. He doesn't look serious, or stern or like he enjoyed sucking lemons.   http://acrod.org/multimedia/photos/?setID=72157634914737082

There are plenty of liturgical issues with which to take issue with the Roman Catholics, but this doesn't seem to be one of them...

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2013, 12:02:35 AM »
There are plenty of liturgical issues with which to take issue with the Roman Catholics, but this doesn't seem to be one of them...
Quite so, though at this point I think the discussions we see here of liturgical abuses in non-Orthodox communions are fueled more by a desire to feel good about ourselves than anything else.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2013, 12:05:14 AM »
With a possible Pan-Orthodox council happening at some point in the future, we should be careful not to pay for our tongue. I have the impression that more than one hierarch and influential lay people feel an admiration for Vatican II.
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2013, 12:08:31 AM »
This thread reminds me a lot of this video. Or does the bishops dancing do that? I'm not sure...

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2013, 12:08:56 AM »
There are plenty of liturgical issues with which to take issue with the Roman Catholics, but this doesn't seem to be one of them...
Quite so, though at this point I think the discussions we see here of liturgical abuses in non-Orthodox communions are fueled more by a desire to feel good about ourselves than anything else.


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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2013, 12:26:15 AM »
My Bishop spent the last month at our diocesan summer camp sessions and really got to know the young people. I'm sure some of you would "tut tut" at the photos of him wearing a Pirates baseball camp...

NO CASSOCK?!   :o

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...while he enjoyed the dizzy bat race and laughing while the campers played with water balloons. He doesn't look serious, or stern or like he enjoyed sucking lemons.   http://acrod.org/multimedia/photos/?setID=72157634914737082

Obviously he's not a holy man.  That should've troubled you guys immediately, but not one person in those photos had the look of dispassion on his face.  Sad.   
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2013, 12:29:49 AM »
Quite so, though at this point I think the discussions we see here of liturgical abuses in non-Orthodox communions are fueled more by a desire to feel good about ourselves than anything else.


Correction.  We don't need to feel good about ourselves, we are good--Nicaea I says so.  When we remind the non-Orthodox of how bad they are, we are simply evangelising (cf. Mt. 28.16-20).  It's really not so difficult, I don't know why some people have to complicate it.   
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2013, 12:46:39 AM »
Quite so, though at this point I think the discussions we see here of liturgical abuses in non-Orthodox communions are fueled more by a desire to feel good about ourselves than anything else.


Correction.  We don't need to feel good about ourselves, we are good--Nicaea I says so.  When we remind the non-Orthodox of how bad they are, we are simply evangelising (cf. Mt. 28.16-20).  It's really not so difficult, I don't know why some people have to complicate it.   

There's that rock solid logic that I've been looking for!

My Bishop spent the last month at our diocesan summer camp sessions and really got to know the young people. I'm sure some of you would "tut tut" at the photos of him wearing a Pirates baseball camp...

NO CASSOCK?!   :o

Is it wrong to think that Christ might have worn a baseball cap and a short-sleeve shirt if he walked the Earth today? Yes, of course it's wrong. :P
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2013, 01:00:21 AM »
. . . The current Pope seems to have very real contempt for those of his flock who love tradition, whom he incorrectly describes as "palagians" ( he should study his heresies before spouting off).  He seems to belittle and laugh at us on a regular basis. 
I am not quite sure why he calls those attached to the older rites of the Roman Church Pelagians, because that heresy really had nothing to do with particular rites; instead, it concerned the false notion that grace was not necessary for salvation.
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2013, 01:07:36 AM »
I know enough about Catholicism to know this does not appear to be part of a Mass. They are in cassocks and  are not vested.
You are correct, the video linked by the original poster shows the rehearsal for the flash mob that was done at the start of the Papal Mass. Nevertheless, I must say that having sat through the entire video of the Papal Mass itself was an ordeal. WYD masses are often pretty strange.
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2013, 01:12:56 AM »
Lord have mercy.

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2013, 01:14:50 AM »
Is it wrong to think that Christ might have worn a baseball cap and a short-sleeve shirt if he walked the Earth today? Yes, of course it's wrong. :P

Every time I imagine what our Lord might look like in "modern" clothing, my mind comes up with something like this:



No thanks, first century robes work just fine.  
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2013, 01:17:14 AM »
The first link is to the WYD opening Mass in 2011, while the second link is to the closing Mass at the just concluded 2013 WYD. I personally think that the first is the more reverent of the two Masses:

Opening Mass WYD 2011

Closing Mass WYD 2013
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Is it wrong to think that Christ might have worn a baseball cap and a short-sleeve shirt if he walked the Earth today? Yes, of course it's wrong. :P

Every time I imagine what our Lord might look like in "modern" clothing, my mind comes up with something like this:



No thanks, first century robes work just fine.  

Oh come on, get with the times! That look is a least 30 years old by now.

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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2013, 01:49:58 AM »
I don't look even that good, so your admonition robs me of the little hope I had.  Thanks. 
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2013, 08:07:46 AM »
Is it wrong to think that Christ might have worn a baseball cap and a short-sleeve shirt if he walked the Earth today? Yes, of course it's wrong. :P

Every time I imagine what our Lord might look like in "modern" clothing, my mind comes up with something like this:



No thanks, first century robes work just fine.  

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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2013, 08:18:38 AM »
The first link is to the WYD opening Mass in 2011, while the second link is to the closing Mass at the just concluded 2013 WYD. I personally think that the first is the more reverent of the two Masses:

Opening Mass WYD 2011

Closing Mass WYD 2013

I don't know about you but when I see these gatherings I have to wonder about the solemnity of it all.  It reminds me of a rock concert.  Im sometimes disturbed by its enormity.  I mean, as an Orthodox Christian, I have a problem with believing this gathering is more to show how many we can gather into one spot then there being a holy moment. I see a lot, a lot, of it being more a festival moment than a Holy Mass.  I would be more at home with a prayer service such as Vespers, or Matins.  Another annoying thought: How many received communion in these gatherings who are not properly prepared or worse yet not even Catholic?   I'm not convinced that this sort of thing is a good thing for the Catholic church in general other than to say " Hey see how many people we can gather together for the media"...  I am probably very cynical but that's just me. Does anyone get my drift?
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2013, 08:29:31 AM »
The Roman Catholic Church seems to be trapped in a 1970s nightmare.

Exactly what I was thinking. People often accuse them of being trapped in the Middle Ages... it might be better to say they are trapped by the middle aged.

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2013, 08:39:45 AM »
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
I agree.

And the Youtube video of the Papal Mass on the beach was hard to sit through. I miss Pope Benedict.

Just my opinion but I got the impression that Pope Benedict was "conservative" and this new Pope Francis a "Liberal".....I could be out of my element here but that's whats coming across to me.

Yes, he is a "liberal" when it comes to washing the feet of infidels and not judging "gay" people but all of the sudden Mr. Humility becomes a raging intolerant dictator whne it comes to the Tradtionalism and the TLM.

I've had about enough of this phony Jesuit already, they should've kept Benedict around even if he is a walking corpse the Church would be far better off than another touchy-feely, modernist who has nothing but resentment for the first 1950 yrs of the Church. ::)
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« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2013, 09:17:26 AM »
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
I agree.

And the Youtube video of the Papal Mass on the beach was hard to sit through. I miss Pope Benedict.

Just my opinion but I got the impression that Pope Benedict was "conservative" and this new Pope Francis a "Liberal".....I could be out of my element here but that's whats coming across to me.

Yes, he is a "liberal" when it comes to washing the feet of infidels and not judging "gay" people but all of the sudden Mr. Humility becomes a raging intolerant dictator whne it comes to the Tradtionalism and the TLM.

I've had about enough of this phony Jesuit already, they should've kept Benedict around even if he is a walking corpse the Church would be far better off than another touchy-feely, modernist who has nothing but resentment for the first 1950 yrs of the Church. ::)

Weren't the Jesuits at one time considered the chief defenders of the Catholic Faith?  How did the Jesuits go from Trads to Libs and when did this happen?

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2013, 10:11:13 AM »
You are right. Bishops shouldn't dance.  ::)
I agree.

And the Youtube video of the Papal Mass on the beach was hard to sit through. I miss Pope Benedict.

Just my opinion but I got the impression that Pope Benedict was "conservative" and this new Pope Francis a "Liberal".....I could be out of my element here but that's whats coming across to me.

Yes, he is a "liberal" when it comes to washing the feet of infidels and not judging "gay" people but all of the sudden Mr. Humility becomes a raging intolerant dictator whne it comes to the Tradtionalism and the TLM.

I've had about enough of this phony Jesuit already, they should've kept Benedict around even if he is a walking corpse the Church would be far better off than another touchy-feely, modernist who has nothing but resentment for the first 1950 yrs of the Church. ::)

Weren't the Jesuits at one time considered the chief defenders of the Catholic Faith?  How did the Jesuits go from Trads to Libs and when did this happen?
Right around the sixities it seems with the commie infiltration of the West as well as the Church.

But you're right, the Jesuits used to be the conservative, militant wing of the Vatican and staunch defender of the Church.
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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2013, 10:13:16 AM »
Hmmm. And when our Pope comes to visit, we sing "Pi Ehmot Gar" instead of dancing around like idiots.

I think I'll stick with Orthodoxy, though I do sincerely feel bad for the many I have known who are in union with Rome who are sick of garbage such as in that video. :-[


I don't feel too sorry for them.  The road is open for them to come home which is what I did.

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2013, 10:20:37 AM »
The first link is to the WYD opening Mass in 2011, while the second link is to the closing Mass at the just concluded 2013 WYD. I personally think that the first is the more reverent of the two Masses:

Opening Mass WYD 2011

Closing Mass WYD 2013

I don't know about you but when I see these gatherings I have to wonder about the solemnity of it all.  It reminds me of a rock concert.  Im sometimes disturbed by its enormity.  I mean, as an Orthodox Christian, I have a problem with believing this gathering is more to show how many we can gather into one spot then there being a holy moment. I see a lot, a lot, of it being more a festival moment than a Holy Mass.  I would be more at home with a prayer service such as Vespers, or Matins.  Another annoying thought: How many received communion in these gatherings who are not properly prepared or worse yet not even Catholic?   I'm not convinced that this sort of thing is a good thing for the Catholic church in general other than to say " Hey see how many people we can gather together for the media"...  I am probably very cynical but that's just me. Does anyone get my drift?


Nothing wrong with your drift.  It is dead on and I get it.  (-:   

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Re: Dancing Bishops....
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2013, 11:57:36 AM »

You're right.  It did look more like a festival, than a holy service.

I know enough about Catholicism to know this does not appear to be part of a Mass. They are in cassocks and  are not vested.

That being said, they do look silly - but happy. Yes, this looks like a Mel Brooks imagined scene with Richard Simmons leading "Simon Says." Old guys trying to look "cool" usually look silly and they do look silly, but cut them some slack here.

Also though, it is amazing how many young people were there and how genuine their love for God and THEIR CHURCH (not ours) seemed to be. Perhaps, we are a bit jealous?

My Bishop spent the last month at our diocesan summer camp sessions and really got to know the young people. I'm sure some of you would "tut tut" at the photos of him wearing a Pirates baseball camp while he enjoyed the dizzy bat race and laughing while the campers played with water balloons. He doesn't look serious, or stern or like he enjoyed sucking lemons.   http://acrod.org/multimedia/photos/?setID=72157634914737082

There are plenty of liturgical issues with which to take issue with the Roman Catholics, but this doesn't seem to be one of them...

Looks like a fun time was had by all at camp!  THIS was camp, however, and not a service....

I think it's great when our clergy and hierarchs interact with the youth.  The kids are more likely to "relate" with someone who takes time to interact with them, at their level.

There's a time for solemnity and there's a time for frivolity.  Both times are filled with joy, only differently.
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