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« on: August 03, 2013, 09:13:26 PM »

Ok guys (and gals), here is a question for everyone which has been really bothering me lately.  I would insert a poll, but with all of the different jurisdictions I thought it would be useless.  When you answer, please do not pontificate .  If you must explain, please keep it as pithy as possible.  I am more interested in a yes and no answer.  If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.  Additionally, prior to your answer, please list your jurisdiction. 

For example:
“Greek Orthodox – No”
“Antiochian Orthodox – Yes”
“Melikite Catholic - Yes”
“Roman Catholic – No”
   
Here is the question.  According to your jurisdictions doctrine, dogma, Tradition, etc., if a person is not in communion with your Church or the Church yours is in communion with, is that person by default destined to hell (or whatever you believe is the end result of not being in heaven). 

I realize there is a lot of stuff which could be discussed; however, with it already being spoken of in multiple threads, this is not the place.  I would just like your clear, short, and concise answers.  Thank you!

(Moderator:  If this is the wrong place for this thread, please move it in the correct place.  I was not sure where it should be posted.)
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 09:21:20 PM »

Coptic Orthodox - No.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 09:34:22 PM »

Orthodox - No
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 09:57:09 PM »

Antiochian Orthodox - No
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 09:58:56 PM »

Ok guys (and gals), here is a question for everyone which has been really bothering me lately.  I would insert a poll, but with all of the different jurisdictions I thought it would be useless.  When you answer, please do not pontificate .  If you must explain, please keep it as pithy as possible.  I am more interested in a yes and no answer.  If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.  Additionally, prior to your answer, please list your jurisdiction. 

For example:
“Greek Orthodox – No”
“Antiochian Orthodox – Yes”
“Melikite Catholic - Yes”
“Roman Catholic – No”
   
Here is the question.  According to your jurisdictions doctrine, dogma, Tradition, etc., if a person is not in communion with your Church or the Church yours is in communion with, is that person by default destined to hell (or whatever you believe is the end result of not being in heaven). 

I realize there is a lot of stuff which could be discussed; however, with it already being spoken of in multiple threads, this is not the place.  I would just like your clear, short, and concise answers.  Thank you!

(Moderator:  If this is the wrong place for this thread, please move it in the correct place.  I was not sure where it should be posted.)

Are we Catholics allowed to answer, or will that break forum rules? I want to be sure that I am in compliance.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 09:59:05 PM »

Greek Orthodox -- No.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 10:11:42 PM »

Ok guys (and gals), here is a question for everyone which has been really bothering me lately.  I would insert a poll, but with all of the different jurisdictions I thought it would be useless.  When you answer, please do not pontificate .  If you must explain, please keep it as pithy as possible.  I am more interested in a yes and no answer.  If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.  Additionally, prior to your answer, please list your jurisdiction. 

For example:
“Greek Orthodox – No”
“Antiochian Orthodox – Yes”
“Melikite Catholic - Yes”
“Roman Catholic – No”
   
Here is the question.  According to your jurisdictions doctrine, dogma, Tradition, etc., if a person is not in communion with your Church or the Church yours is in communion with, is that person by default destined to hell (or whatever you believe is the end result of not being in heaven). 

I realize there is a lot of stuff which could be discussed; however, with it already being spoken of in multiple threads, this is not the place.  I would just like your clear, short, and concise answers.  Thank you!

(Moderator:  If this is the wrong place for this thread, please move it in the correct place.  I was not sure where it should be posted.)

Are we Catholics allowed to answer, or will that break forum rules? I want to be sure that I am in compliance.

You're in the example, I'd say you're clear. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 10:13:31 PM »

Roman Catholic - No
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 10:19:41 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 10:24:01 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 10:26:08 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 10:54:05 PM »

Ok guys (and gals), here is a question for everyone which has been really bothering me lately.  I would insert a poll, but with all of the different jurisdictions I thought it would be useless.  When you answer, please do not pontificate .  If you must explain, please keep it as pithy as possible.  I am more interested in a yes and no answer.  If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.  Additionally, prior to your answer, please list your jurisdiction. 

For example:
“Greek Orthodox – No”
“Antiochian Orthodox – Yes”
“Melikite Catholic - Yes”
“Roman Catholic – No”
   
Here is the question.  According to your jurisdictions doctrine, dogma, Tradition, etc., if a person is not in communion with your Church or the Church yours is in communion with, is that person by default destined to hell (or whatever you believe is the end result of not being in heaven). 

I realize there is a lot of stuff which could be discussed; however, with it already being spoken of in multiple threads, this is not the place.  I would just like your clear, short, and concise answers.  Thank you!

(Moderator:  If this is the wrong place for this thread, please move it in the correct place.  I was not sure where it should be posted.)

Are we Catholics allowed to answer, or will that break forum rules? I want to be sure that I am in compliance.

As far as I am concerned you are allowed.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »

Orthodox-No

I look forward to see where you are going with this Kerdy.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 12:56:35 AM »

No.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 06:09:32 AM »

Antioch: no
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2013, 07:11:09 AM »

Orthodox - No (although it depends on how broadly we understand "communion")
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2013, 07:45:51 AM »

OCA - No
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2013, 08:28:03 AM »

No.

This is kind of a weird question actually. You need to have a definition of hell first. To quote our priest:

"The light of God's love shines equally on all people. It is our ability to accept that love that determines if that love brings either pleasure or pain."
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2013, 10:54:33 AM »

If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.

You are not the one who dictates how people should respond here. Posters are allowed  to post however they want, unless it breaks the forum rules and your will is not a forum rule. If you do not like people responding to your questions, do not ask them.

Are we Catholics allowed to answer, or will that break forum rules? I want to be sure that I am in compliance.

No. But it's not your  fault Kerdy started this thread in the wrong section.

Moving it.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2013, 11:21:25 AM »

Yes, but I need to explain.

You can have a church, but if it's not in communion with the Church, then there is no salvation. I reject branch theory, ecumenism and I am a strict adherent of no salvation outside the Church.

I think this it is pretty clear from the teachings and doctrines of the Orthodox Church. Only through Christ do we come to the Father, and the Church being His Body, and we are united to Him by the Church, so anything outside of that is not in union with Him.

But I feel that is begging the question, who makes up the Church? How is one received into the Church? Who is visibly and invisibly part of the Church? Don't know until Judgement Day.

What interests me more is the unresolved paradox the Scriptures say about salvation. On the one hand Christ says there is no salvation if you are not baptized, communed, etc. yet on the other hand salvation is possible without these sacraments.
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2013, 11:21:25 AM »

Forgot to add the jurisdiction, but I will say Orthodox but I am not appealing to any specific jurisdictional doctrine/dogma.
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2013, 06:15:40 PM »

If you start to argue and debate, I ask the moderators to lock this thread, even if the debate is within the same jurisdiction.

You are not the one who dictates how people should respond here. Posters are allowed  to post however they want, unless it breaks the forum rules and your will is not a forum rule. If you do not like people responding to your questions, do not ask them.

Are we Catholics allowed to answer, or will that break forum rules? I want to be sure that I am in compliance.

No. But it's not your  fault Kerdy started this thread in the wrong section.

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That's why I placed "ask" and "please" in there.  Perhaps you missed it.  I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos.  It also seems you missed the last portion of my original post in relation to where to start the thread, but I do thank you for moving it to the correct place.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2013, 06:26:19 PM »

All Orthodox Churches in North America
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2013, 06:29:39 PM »

All Orthodox Churches in North America
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2013, 06:45:04 PM »

It sounds like you were talking about jurisdictions so I checked them all
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2013, 06:53:22 PM »

Melikite Catholic - No
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2013, 09:11:28 AM »

14 no’s, 1 yes.  

No one else wants to participate with over 300 views?
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2013, 11:24:35 AM »

I'll answer, but I'm not sure what the point is.  You aren't asking for our opinion, you are asking for the opinion of our Church so if someone has already accurately answered on behalf of the Church, I'm not sure why it needs to be reiterated a million times. That being said:

Antiochian Orthodox - No
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2013, 11:37:26 AM »


Orthodox (Ukrainian Orthodox) - No.
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2013, 11:50:53 AM »

A far more interesting aspect of this little poll is the fact that those who have their jurisdiction listed by their name also posted it in the body of their post and the people who did not, tended not to post their jurisdiction.  What can this mean?  I suspect that there is a secret cabal of Orthodox elites here at oc.net that have ascended beyond jurisdictional boundaries and now commune directly with the Almighty.  It is the only logical conclusion.  laugh
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2013, 11:59:42 AM »


So, what's at the root of the question?  I know you have something on your mind.  What is it?
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A far more interesting aspect of this little poll is the fact that those who have their jurisdiction listed by their name also posted it in the body of their post and the people who did not, tended not to post their jurisdiction.  What can this mean?  I suspect that there is a secret cabal of Orthodox elites here at oc.net that have ascended beyond jurisdictional boundaries and now commune directly with the Almighty.  It is the only logical conclusion.  laugh
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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2013, 08:03:27 PM »

No - 16

Yes - 1

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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2013, 08:24:10 PM »

I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos. 

Are you ever going to let us in on the secret?  Tongue
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I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos. 

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It's no secret, but yes I will explain.
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I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos.

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You didn't answer Kerdy.
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Williamodoxy - N/A
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I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos.

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I have a specific personal reason for asking which I didn't want to get lost in the regular chaos.

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You didn't answer Kerdy.
I sure didnt.  Not yet.

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« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2013, 10:23:26 PM »

I get the feeling everyone's expectations of my purpose are too high.
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Greek Orthodox--no
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« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2013, 11:37:15 PM »

14 no’s, 1 yes.  

No one else wants to participate with over 300 views?


Generally, this is a good ratio Kerdy. Currently at 43 posts vs 470 views. In addition consider that this is a noncontroversial issue,

What you should take away from this is that there are people like myself.
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2013, 12:09:57 AM »

OCA-Yes

OCA - No

Both can't be right.  Which is it?
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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2013, 12:40:35 AM »



I attend an OCA parish and Father's word on this from my catechism class is

'We know where Grace is, but cannot say for sure where Grace is not'

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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2013, 02:16:04 AM »

IF I may,

the fathers have said that it is technically possible for God to give his grace to anyone, so , I will say "No" but

( saying those outside the church cannot receive salvation. these two statements do not need to combat each other)

so I have to say also "yes"

or maybe, simply "Who knows"

I would simply quote fathers but it would probably take too much space than you requested

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2013, 06:59:08 AM »

While I wanted to take more time to put my thoughts together on this, I honestly do not have the time and energy right now to supply an appropriate response to why I asked my question, but I will try.

As of late, on this forum it seems there has been a lot of tension and bitterness toward other posters and what they post.  I asked this question specifically for several reasons.

One – to see if there really is a standard answer.
Two – to see if there would be any contradiction with the simplest of answers.
Three – to hopefully put to rest a growing concern I have after watching post after post shred apart the love Christ bestowed on the world.

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I didn't really like the way the rest of my post was worded, so I deleted most of it and changed some other parts.
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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2013, 07:07:13 AM »

I should probably give my answer.

Greek Orthodox - No
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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2013, 10:04:15 AM »

A far more interesting aspect of this little poll is the fact that those who have their jurisdiction listed by their name also posted it in the body of their post and the people who did not, tended not to post their jurisdiction.  What can this mean?  I suspect that there is a secret cabal of Orthodox elites here at oc.net that have ascended beyond jurisdictional boundaries and now commune directly with the Almighty.  It is the only logical conclusion.  laugh
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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2013, 10:17:22 AM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.
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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2013, 10:34:14 AM »

Orthodox - Yes now. No after the last judment.

The most simple answer is never enough. "why you want to marry me?" is far more important than "will you marry me?"

Salvation, as an act of God, can be understood like an uncreated energy.

As such, in time and in history, it exists *only* in the visible and historical communion of the Orthodox Church. In fact, participation in the Body of Christ *is* salvation itself, in potential at least.

People, though, will go through a last judgement that will settle their eternal condition. Some who are *in* salvation/church will be out, some who are *out* will be brought in.

We know who is in salvation (every single Chalcedonian Catholic Orthodox Christian, and only them), we don't know who will remain in or out, but how people live usually gives us a good clue on where they're heading to. And that, has nothing to do with how pious or blessed with other graces a person can be.
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2013, 10:42:39 AM »

OCA-Yes

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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2013, 12:24:36 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Surprise surprise.
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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2013, 01:17:13 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

So you can change your misleading profile information to notice others about your apostasy.
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2013, 01:20:51 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.
Just curious, what prompted the decision to do so?
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2013, 02:11:41 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

So you can change your misleading profile information to notice others about your apostasy.
Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Surprise surprise.

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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2013, 02:12:17 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.
Just curious, what prompted the decision to do so?
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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2013, 02:13:59 PM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

So you can change your misleading profile information to notice others about your apostasy.
Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Surprise surprise.

I love this place. haha

I don't think I've ever seen a single one of your posts doing anything other than mock Orthodox people and their beliefs. So surprise surprise.
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Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

So you can change your misleading profile information to notice others about your apostasy.
Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Surprise surprise.

I love this place. haha

I don't think I've ever seen a single one of your posts doing anything other than mock Orthodox people and their beliefs. So surprise surprise.
Really?  A particular type of Orthodox, yes.

But I love Orthodox.  I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.  If you were FB friends with me, or real life friends with me, you'd realize that your comment has no basis in reality.

The fact that so many of posts HERE do make light of certain strains of Orthodoxy says more about the concentration of certain types in this particular forum.
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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2013, 02:25:39 PM »

I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.

Apparently not.
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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2013, 02:34:47 PM »

I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.

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« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2013, 03:05:34 PM »

There are only Orthodox Christians in Heaven.  That statement stands in contrast to something like "you must be ____________ to get in [i've always hated that formulation] to heaven."
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« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2013, 03:09:11 PM »

Be nice, everyone.
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« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2013, 04:41:11 PM »

I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.

Apparently not.
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Hence, he who leaves the Church, who intentionally and consciously falls away from it, joins the ranks of its opponents and becomes a renegade as regards apostolic Tradition. The Church dreadfully anathematized such renegades, in accordance with the words of the Saviour Himself (Matt. 18:17) and of the Apostle Paul (Gal. 1:8-9), threatening them with eternal damnation and calling them to return to the Orthodox fold.

Unless you would like to accuse Metropolitan Philaret of spending too much time on OC.net.
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« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2013, 04:42:16 PM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.
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« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2013, 04:44:54 PM »

I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.

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Hence, he who leaves the Church, who intentionally and consciously falls away from it, joins the ranks of its opponents and becomes a renegade as regards apostolic Tradition. The Church dreadfully anathematized such renegades, in accordance with the words of the Saviour Himself (Matt. 18:17) and of the Apostle Paul (Gal. 1:8-9), threatening them with eternal damnation and calling them to return to the Orthodox fold.

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« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2013, 04:45:59 PM »

Quoting Orthodox bishops =! catching flies with vinegar
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« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2013, 04:47:35 PM »

Quoting Orthodox bishops =! catching flies with vinegar

Threatening him with hellfire is. Good job pushing him away from the Church.
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Quoting Orthodox bishops =! catching flies with vinegar

Threatening him with hellfire is.

That's Metropolitan Philaret's words, not mine. I'm just demonstrating that one does not necessarily have to spend too much time on OC.net to see leaving the church as grave. My understanding is that Orthodox clergy tend to reserve such gravity for cases like this because of how serious they consider it.
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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2013, 04:51:02 PM »

I extol the beauty of the faith and the Truth of it.

Apparently not.
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Hence, he who leaves the Church, who intentionally and consciously falls away from it, joins the ranks of its opponents and becomes a renegade as regards apostolic Tradition. The Church dreadfully anathematized such renegades, in accordance with the words of the Saviour Himself (Matt. 18:17) and of the Apostle Paul (Gal. 1:8-9), threatening them with eternal damnation and calling them to return to the Orthodox fold.

Unless you would like to accuse Metropolitan Philaret of spending too much time on OC.net.
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All this from the same fellow who was having a fit yesterday because another poster assumed he was Orthodox.  Really?  (See reply #167 in the Ecumenism thread.)
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« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2013, 05:12:16 PM »

Deep Roots, please don't be upset by those nasty comments that some make. I'd be pretty annoyed too if I were you. But please don't let that harden your decision. I advise you to study the theological issues a bit, talk to priests from both Churches, and, most important, pray about it. I really do think that you're making a mistake and would hate to see you leave the Orthodox Church. Know that you're in my prayers.

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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2013, 06:13:32 PM »

More amused than upset.  Thank you for your thoughts and prayers, though -- I'd never turn those down.  We shall see what happens.
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« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2013, 07:16:13 PM »

huh william. r you even a catechumen yet?
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« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2013, 11:11:00 PM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.

Fruit flies love vinegar. Just add a drop of dish detergent and they fly right in and die.
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« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2013, 12:14:10 AM »

Deep Roots, please don't be upset by those nasty comments that some make. I'd be pretty annoyed too if I were you. But please don't let that harden your decision. I advise you to study the theological issues a bit, talk to priests from both Churches, and, most important, pray about it. I really do think that you're making a mistake and would hate to see you leave the Orthodox Church. Know that you're in my prayers.



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« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2013, 12:57:38 AM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.

Fruit flies love vinegar. Just add a drop of dish detergent and they fly right in and die.

This is true, my only recommendation is to use apple cider vinegar, unless you can afford wine vinegar (legally they are called pomace flies). The detergent prevents the flies form traversing to the edges of the vinegar container and escaping.
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Roman Catholic - No
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Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

If your Catholic roots run deeper... Just make sure that you do this to bring forth better fruit.

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« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2013, 09:45:20 AM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Deep Roots, this is sad.  I assume you are feeling a longing, a nostalgia, for what you grew up with, or have heard family talking about, or seen in photos, etc.

We all have nostalgia, however, the world changes, and almost nothing that we remember from our childhood's is the same when we are adults.  Building are demolished and new ones built, governments change, fashions change, etc...

Faith is not such a thing.

Our Faith is what leads us to our eternal salvation.
 
Please, don't confuse nostalgia with True Salvation.  Do not make a rash decision, based on a warm and fuzzy feeling you get when reminiscing about the olden days.

Don't take this Forum to represent all of Orthodoxy, either.  This is not an actual branch of the Church, and most Orthodox on here do not behave the way they ought to, all the time.

Go back and reread the Church Fathers, the beautiful theology and hymnology and go find what it was that drew you here in the first place.  THAT has not changed, and will remain true to the end.

Praying you find the courage and perseverance to remain in Christ's True Church.


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« Reply #80 on: August 07, 2013, 09:47:10 AM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.

Fruit flies love vinegar. Just add a drop of dish detergent and they fly right in and die.

Thanks, Quinault!  I didn't know this!  I always get them in the autumn, when the house starts to fill with fresh fruits and veggies....but, this year they've made an early appearance....in the gazillions!  

I'll give this a try....and I will use wine vinegar as Opus suggested.  I bought a bottle long ago, and have yet to use it for anything.  This is as good a reason to pop the cap!
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Deep Roots, this is sad.  I assume you are feeling a longing, a nostalgia, for what you grew up with, or have heard family talking about, or seen in photos, etc.

We all have nostalgia, however, the world changes, and almost nothing that we remember from our childhood's is the same when we are adults.  Building are demolished and new ones built, governments change, fashions change, etc...

Faith is not such a thing.

Our Faith is what leads us to our eternal salvation.
 
Please, don't confuse nostalgia with True Salvation.  Do not make a rash decision, based on a warm and fuzzy feeling you get when reminiscing about the olden days.

Don't take this Forum to represent all of Orthodoxy, either.  This is not an actual branch of the Church, and most Orthodox on here do not behave the way they ought to, all the time.

Go back and reread the Church Fathers, the beautiful theology and hymnology and go find what it was that drew you here in the first place.  THAT has not changed, and will remain true to the end.

Praying you find the courage and perseverance to remain in Christ's True Church.
Thanks for the kind thoughts and prayers.

Nostalgia is only a part.  What many would consider a bad theology (and a "flawed understanding" of the two Churches) is another part. But I'm not necessarily interested in laying all of that out here.  Several have been kind enough to PM me asking for reasons.  I have provided a small bullet point summary to them.  It is a struggle for me, because I love the Orthodox Church.  But I also love the Catholic Church.  I just think I love God's people wherever they are.  Even though my sinfulness sometimes doesn't make that apparent around here...depending on the topic and attitudes on display. 
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« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2013, 01:26:26 PM »

There are only Orthodox Christians in Heaven.  That statement stands in contrast to something like "you must be ____________ to get in [i've always hated that formulation] to heaven."

How?
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I would imagine that what he means is by Orthodox meaning "right worshiping".  I would interpret this to mean that we must be "right worshiping" to attain salvation.  Who is in the Orthodox Church and who will be saved are two different groups of people and although there will be much overlap, neither is a subset of the other.
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« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2013, 07:47:42 PM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.

Fruit flies love vinegar. Just add a drop of dish detergent and they fly right in and die.

Thanks, Quinault!  I didn't know this!  I always get them in the autumn, when the house starts to fill with fresh fruits and veggies....but, this year they've made an early appearance....in the gazillions!  

I'll give this a try....and I will use wine vinegar as Opus suggested.  I bought a bottle long ago, and have yet to use it for anything.  This is as good a reason to pop the cap!


Tangent:

We actually did an experiment comparing sweetened apple cider vinegar, honey, and unsweetened apple cider vinegar. The flies completely ignored the honey, liked the sweetened vinegar a little more, LOVED the unsweetened vinegar.
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« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2013, 10:02:14 PM »

We actually did an experiment comparing sweetened apple cider vinegar, honey, and unsweetened apple cider vinegar. The flies completely ignored the honey, liked the sweetened vinegar a little more, LOVED the unsweetened vinegar.

So what you're saying is that we can definitely attract more converts to our Holy Mother Church using aggressive polemics instead of bearing loving witness to the truth of our faith, as long as we are content with having a Church filled with jerks. 
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« Reply #86 on: August 07, 2013, 10:35:34 PM »

Tangent:

We actually did an experiment comparing sweetened apple cider vinegar, honey, and unsweetened apple cider vinegar. The flies completely ignored the honey, liked the sweetened vinegar a little more, LOVED the unsweetened vinegar.

You would challenge the long-lived wisdom of my granny? My favorite granny? As she would say: "How dare you! How simply dare you!"
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« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2013, 10:37:51 PM »

We actually did an experiment comparing sweetened apple cider vinegar, honey, and unsweetened apple cider vinegar. The flies completely ignored the honey, liked the sweetened vinegar a little more, LOVED the unsweetened vinegar.

So what you're saying is that we can definitely attract more converts to our Holy Mother Church using aggressive polemics instead of bearing loving witness to the truth of our faith, as long as we are content with having a Church filled with jerks. 

And if they share the life span of a fruit fly....at least they might not last long.
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« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2013, 10:49:34 PM »

We actually did an experiment comparing sweetened apple cider vinegar, honey, and unsweetened apple cider vinegar. The flies completely ignored the honey, liked the sweetened vinegar a little more, LOVED the unsweetened vinegar.

So what you're saying is that we can definitely attract more converts to our Holy Mother Church using aggressive polemics instead of bearing loving witness to the truth of our faith, as long as we are content with having a Church filled with jerks. 

Nope, just pointing out that the "drawing more flies with honey" concept is flawed. You will draw more *humans* with vinegar, not flies.
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« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2013, 11:54:44 PM »

Stop trying to catch flies with vinegar.

Fruit flies love vinegar. Just add a drop of dish detergent and they fly right in and die.

Thanks, Quinault!  I didn't know this!  I always get them in the autumn, when the house starts to fill with fresh fruits and veggies....but, this year they've made an early appearance....in the gazillions!  

I'll give this a try....and I will use wine vinegar as Opus suggested.  I bought a bottle long ago, and have yet to use it for anything.  This is as good a reason to pop the cap!


Liza, the wine vinegar part was sort of a joke to myself (I like to be entertained) because when I import Drosophila melanogaster from Europe, the USDA requires that I identify them as Pomace (the dregs from squeezing grapes) flies. I am in a Drosophila lab. We get rid of them with apple cider vinegar and dish detergent.  Just a small amount of detergent so that they slip back into the liquid rather than walk out. Save the wine vinegar for salad.
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What people don`t understand is that there is a reason for why we are told that there is no salvation outside the Church. Instead of accepting the Orthodox teaching, we start to question it especially in public, because we think we are smarter and more loving than our saints who lived centuries ago.
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« Reply #91 on: August 16, 2013, 08:02:22 PM »

Quoting Orthodox bishops =! catching flies with vinegar

Threatening him with hellfire is. Good job pushing him away from the Church.

You really think someone who leaves the Orthodox Church can blame other people for that decision at the judgment? (It works so well in confession.)
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« Reply #92 on: August 16, 2013, 08:04:50 PM »

There are only Orthodox Christians in Heaven.  That statement stands in contrast to something like "you must be ____________ to get in [i've always hated that formulation] to heaven."

How?

Because in heaven one beholds and partakes of the Truth. How, then, can one continue in illusion?
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« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2013, 08:06:14 PM »

What people don`t understand is that there is a reason for why we are told that there is no salvation outside the Church. Instead of accepting the Orthodox teaching, we start to question it especially in public, because we think we are smarter and more loving than our saints who lived centuries ago.
So the answer is Yes :
"You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins... I will tell you one thing, however: should you, being Orthodox and possessing the Truth in its fullness, betray Orthodoxy, and enter a different faith, you will lose your soul forever." - St. Theophan the Recluse

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What people don`t understand is that there is a reason for why we are told that there is no salvation outside the Church. Instead of accepting the Orthodox teaching, we start to question it especially in public, because we think we are smarter and more loving than our saints who lived centuries ago.
So the answer is Yes :
"You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins... I will tell you one thing, however: should you, being Orthodox and possessing the Truth in its fullness, betray Orthodoxy, and enter a different faith, you will lose your soul forever." - St. Theophan the Recluse

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What people don`t understand is that there is a reason for why we are told that there is no salvation outside the Church. Instead of accepting the Orthodox teaching, we start to question it especially in public, because we think we are smarter and more loving than our saints who lived centuries ago.
So the answer is Yes :
"You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins... I will tell you one thing, however: should you, being Orthodox and possessing the Truth in its fullness, betray Orthodoxy, and enter a different faith, you will lose your soul forever." - St. Theophan the Recluse

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Guess it wasn't that serious after all.  Tongue
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Guess it wasn't that serious after all.  Tongue
Only to a handful of people.  But since when did that stop people who care more for themselves than other people.
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Guess it wasn't that serious after all.  Tongue
Only to a handful of people.  But since when did that stop people who care more for themselves than other people.

If the purpose of this thread was to see how long we could devolve into an argument after being given some simple instructions...
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Guess it wasn't that serious after all.  Tongue
Only to a handful of people.  But since when did that stop people who care more for themselves than other people.

If the purpose of this thread was to see how long we could devolve into an argument after being given some simple instructions...
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« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2013, 01:03:50 PM »

Because in heaven one beholds and partakes of the Truth. How, then, can one continue in illusion?
How will it be in heaven with all those relatives and in-laws that you couldn't get along with on earth?
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« Reply #106 on: August 21, 2013, 04:35:42 PM »

My answer would have to be: I don't know. I don't know what the fate of any individual will be. After all, God will save whom He will save. It's not up to me and it's not really any of my business. I have enough to do already.
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« Reply #107 on: September 08, 2013, 04:04:02 AM »

My church is Christ and if anyone is not in communion with Christ regardless of denomination, then that person is cast out into outer darkness.

Biblical definition of church: The ONE spiritual church purchased by the blood of the lamb of God made up of the body of believers from all Apostolic denominations who are connected to the Holy Ghost breath of Christ in the Great Commission.

The pertinent question is if you are a member of an Apostolic denomination but do not live your life according to the beatitudes of Christ and you then suddenly die, then will you be sent of into outer darkness?

The answer is YES!

So notwithstanding jurisdictions, denominational (doctrine, dogma, Tradition) or councils etc. if you are not in communion with Christ and his Holy Spirit then you are not his sheep, for that is what is taught in scripture.

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« Reply #108 on: September 08, 2013, 11:28:43 PM »

Serpentslayer have you ever study Church History? If so how much?
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« Reply #109 on: September 08, 2013, 11:43:54 PM »

Serpentslayer have you ever study Church History? If so how much?

I started afresh I unlearned everything that was taught to me and sought Christ's Holy Spirit as my wonderful counsellor to lead me to his truth and to set me free from the darkness of this world.

I have studied church history only from the point of view of the 1st Century Apostolic Church.

I was brought up in a denomination that is connected to the Holy Ghost breath of Christ, thanks be to God for that is where I was baptised.

I was indoctrinated by the denomination. I love it and I still support it according to the righteousness of Christ.

Very important to note what I just stated:

ACCORDING TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST

To me as a borne again new creation of the Spirit and by the Spirit of God, I no longer rely on church history related to the creeds of Christendom but rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth as the scripture declares to the believer all things I will give you knowledge, wisdom and understanding, just knock and the door will be opened and ask and the answer shall be given.

Understanding scripture from the true 1st century Apostolic Church, I am certain that the Holy Spirit of God is not tied down by worldly rules nor creeds for what we in the singular do in our body will be tied to heaven when we come face to face with the Christ after we die.

Does this answer your question?

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« Reply #110 on: September 09, 2013, 08:57:03 AM »

Oh dear, Rachel 2.0 is here.  Undecided
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I'm not so well-versed in american protestantism. What exactly is that?
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I'm not so well-versed in american protestantism. What exactly is that?

I am not Protestant.

You seriously don't know what it means or are you pretending to not know, seriously!

Christ breathing on his disciples the Holy Ghost empowered and commissioned them in the Great Commission to preach the gospel of Christ Jesus and baptise by water in his name.

Now I must ask you a question why are you so attached to your denomination as if it is a boat that will get you to where Christ is. This boat called the church, is a hospital for the spiritually sick that we are, when we confess that we are rotten sinners that can only be redeemed by God the Holy Spirit and not the hospital institution itself.

The institution will call you in a place as part and parcel of the Great Commission jurisdiction as a symbol of the two witnesses (two candles that are on the left and right of the altar), so that the spiritual medical practitioner who is God the Holy Spirit can start healing you and I.

It is the practitioner who heals and not the institution that arranges for a bed for you as a spiritually sick man.

Come on let's face it we have nothing to offer to Christ and that we are all sick spiritually and impoverished so at least we can begin the stair way to Christ's heaven by at least stepping on the first ladder step of the sequential steps called his beatitudes.


Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

As it is written in Matthew 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Let me rephrase that:

The many that are called according to the Great Commission calling to the hospital institution (the church), the few that are healed and then chosen by the spiritual practitioner who is God the Holy Spirit.

Now do you get the bigger picture!

Tell me whose in power Ha whose is in power Ha?

God is and for ever will be and he ensures that the life long rehabilitation (sanctification) process called the baptism of fire in the justified by the blood of the lamb believer is purged of their carnal putrid nature and brought in the fullness of the begotten Son Christ Jesus according to all his eight beatitudes.

God is moulding us to be like his Son so we are the symbol of the prodigal sons who God single handedly is rescuing.

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« Reply #113 on: September 10, 2013, 08:08:19 AM »

You sound like the minister at the Church of God I grew up in.
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« Reply #114 on: September 10, 2013, 08:11:10 AM »

He certainly protests enough to be considered a protestant although with a hint of Bogomilism.
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« Reply #115 on: September 10, 2013, 08:22:04 AM »

At first I read that as bogoism, and understood it as "the ideology of buy one get one free."  It didn't make much sense, but thought it applied quite nicely to Serpentslayer.

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Serpantslayer, I bet you cant slay me!

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What people don`t understand is that there is a reason for why we are told that there is no salvation outside the Church. Instead of accepting the Orthodox teaching, we start to question it especially in public, because we think we are smarter and more loving than our saints who lived centuries ago.
So the answer is Yes :
"You ask, will the heterodox be saved... Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins... I will tell you one thing, however: should you, being Orthodox and possessing the Truth in its fullness, betray Orthodoxy, and enter a different faith, you will lose your soul forever." - St. Theophan the Recluse

I think we are brought up to question everything, especially old things. It is just the way people are taught in school.  So I think it is no suprise that we question the church in everything and all its teaching, and are not afraid to talk as if we know better than its two thousand years of saints. Individualism is now a virtue in the modern age!
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« Reply #118 on: September 10, 2013, 06:27:22 PM »

Serpantslayer, I bet you cant slay me!



Your right I can do nothing.

BUT!

The Christ who is in me can and most certainly will, you can mark my words on that!

Without Christ I can do nothing, but with Christ I can heap hot rocks on your head so that the almighty judge will execute his judgement upon you, if you reject and attack his messenger.

After The Lord opened my eyes to open the eyes of many just like the saints of the past whom their generations listened to. Yet this generation is so vile it only listens to itself because it regards itself, self righteous, more self righteous than the saints that the sovereign lord has chosen to pass the message to the end day Apostolic Church regardless of denomination.

Your OO, EO and RC is not your own property to claim and neither is it your priestly authority's property to place their seal of ownership on, for the owner is Christ who purchased the bride with his own blood.

Those who stake their claim on any Apostolic denomination are those who have hijacked Christianity to make it their own.

This is what Jezebel did when killing NABOTH (meaning THE PROPHET) who is a symbol of Christ. She then placed her earthly king Ahab (SECOND COMING doctrine of Satan as the King of this world) and her BAALIST PRIESTS who hijacked the faith, to place their seal IN PLACE (counterfeit) on the estate (the symbol of the world) of the rightful owner NABOTH, who is a symbol of the Christ.

Christ has three offices:

1) The King of kings as THE CHRIST
2) The Chief priest Melchizedek
3) The Prophet


In the versus below had the Pharisees asked Jesus instead of John the baptist, the following questions, then he would have said Yes, Yes and Yes to all three of them. You see the title of the Christ is as the royal anointed King, the title of Elijah is as the Chief priesthood because he had victory over all the priests by ousting the BAAL priests of Jezebel and finally the title of the Prophet is the essence of the Spirit of Prophesy that is tied to the testimony of Jesus throughout both the Old and New Testament scriptures. (Revelation 19:10)

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19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

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12 Jesus then began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 2 At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. 3 But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 4 Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. 5 He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed.

6 “He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’

7 “But the tenants said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.

9 “What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others. 10 Haven’t you read this passage of Scripture:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
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11 the Lord has done this,
    and it is marvelous in our eyes

You can't have truth without Christ and you most certainly can't have peace without the Prince of Peace Christ Jesus, that is why a sword is prepared for the hijackers upon the appointed time of The Sovereign Lord to all those who had pleasure in taking part in unrighteousness.

Go shake hands with the Muslims, Hindus, snake worshippers, showmen witches and all the false religions of this world to try and establish a universal peace and see how far you will get.

Will there be peace in the Middle East, Ha never!

Because Truth, Grace and Peace is by one person and that is the Christ.

Leaving him out of the equation like what Jezebel did to NABOTH, you are going to be in a world of hurt, mark my words.
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I'm not so well-versed in american protestantism. What exactly is that?

Not Protestantism. Maybe delusion.
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« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2013, 06:58:36 PM »

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I'm not so well-versed in american protestantism. What exactly is that?

I am not Protestant.

You seriously don't know what it means or are you pretending to not know, seriously!

Christ breathing on his disciples the Holy Ghost empowered and commissioned them in the Great Commission to preach the gospel of Christ Jesus and baptise by water in his name.

Now I must ask you a question why are you so attached to your denomination as if it is a boat that will get you to where Christ is. This boat called the church, is a hospital for the spiritually sick that we are, when we confess that we are rotten sinners that can only be redeemed by God the Holy Spirit and not the hospital institution itself.

The institution will call you in a place as part and parcel of the Great Commission jurisdiction as a symbol of the two witnesses (two candles that are on the left and right of the altar), so that the spiritual medical practitioner who is God the Holy Spirit can start healing you and I.

It is the practitioner who heals and not the institution that arranges for a bed for you as a spiritually sick man.

Come on let's face it we have nothing to offer to Christ and that we are all sick spiritually and impoverished so at least we can begin the stair way to Christ's heaven by at least stepping on the first ladder step of the sequential steps called his beatitudes.


Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

As it is written in Matthew 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Let me rephrase that:

The many that are called according to the Great Commission calling to the hospital institution (the church), the few that are healed and then chosen by the spiritual practitioner who is God the Holy Spirit.

Now do you get the bigger picture!

Tell me whose in power Ha whose is in power Ha?

God is and for ever will be and he ensures that the life long rehabilitation (sanctification) process called the baptism of fire in the justified by the blood of the lamb believer is purged of their carnal putrid nature and brought in the fullness of the begotten Son Christ Jesus according to all his eight beatitudes.

God is moulding us to be like his Son so we are the symbol of the prodigal sons who God single handedly is rescuing.

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Relax, I thought it was the name of a denomination.
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« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2013, 07:00:26 PM »

 :'(WOW! You really don't understand church history.Do you love all people like Christ does?Why did you say "mark my words"several times in your post?You sound so angry ei.Hot rocks on head! I pray for you.
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« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2013, 07:31:58 PM »

Teehee!  I love serpentslayer!  I hope he becomes a regular contributing member, it will make my forum experience so much more enjoyable.  Grin
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it will make my forum experience so much more enjoyable.  Grin

Can't speak that for myself, or to greater exempt, for mina.
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it will make my forum experience so much more enjoyable.  Grin

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it will make my forum experience so much more enjoyable.  Grin

Can't speak that for myself, or to greater exempt, for mina.
Say what?  Huh

He will probably have to clean up the mess left by that new user.
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it will make my forum experience so much more enjoyable.  Grin

Can't speak that for myself, or to greater exempt, for mina.
Say what?  Huh

He will probably have to clean up the mess left by that new user.

lol, true, but it is always fun for those of us who are not mods.  Grin
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« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2013, 09:37:05 AM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Deep Roots, this is sad.  I assume you are feeling a longing, a nostalgia, for what you grew up with, or have heard family talking about, or seen in photos, etc.

We all have nostalgia, however, the world changes, and almost nothing that we remember from our childhood's is the same when we are adults.  Building are demolished and new ones built, governments change, fashions change, etc...

Faith is not such a thing.

Our Faith is what leads us to our eternal salvation.
 
Please, don't confuse nostalgia with True Salvation.  Do not make a rash decision, based on a warm and fuzzy feeling you get when reminiscing about the olden days.

Don't take this Forum to represent all of Orthodoxy, either.  This is not an actual branch of the Church, and most Orthodox on here do not behave the way they ought to, all the time.

A friend once told me that "A good pope is a disservice to the Catholic Church" ... to me that sounds like something people say when they get a little too caught up in their own cleverness  Cheesy ... But I digress.

Digressions aside, Deep Roots I have to agree with what LizaSymonenko and a few others here are saying: you do have to be careful not to let the "bad examples" of some Orthodox turn you off from Orthodoxy. Quite frankly I often ask myself, How can this forum be so bad when there's so much reason for it to be so good?  Undecided

Fwiw, I don't have any intention of becoming Orthodox, but if I were Orthodox I wouldn't leave.
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« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2013, 10:09:16 AM »

Was Antiochian, but in the process of going back to the Catholicism of my baptism and heritage.  -- No.

Deep Roots, this is sad.  I assume you are feeling a longing, a nostalgia, for what you grew up with, or have heard family talking about, or seen in photos, etc.

We all have nostalgia, however, the world changes, and almost nothing that we remember from our childhood's is the same when we are adults.  Building are demolished and new ones built, governments change, fashions change, etc...

Faith is not such a thing.

Our Faith is what leads us to our eternal salvation.
 
Please, don't confuse nostalgia with True Salvation.  Do not make a rash decision, based on a warm and fuzzy feeling you get when reminiscing about the olden days.

Don't take this Forum to represent all of Orthodoxy, either.  This is not an actual branch of the Church, and most Orthodox on here do not behave the way they ought to, all the time.

A friend once told me that "A good pope is a disservice to the Catholic Church" ... to me that sounds like something people say when they get a little too caught up in their own cleverness  Cheesy ... But I digress.

Digressions aside, Deep Roots I have to agree with what LizaSymonenko and a few others here are saying: you do have to be careful not to let the "bad examples" of some Orthodox turn you off from Orthodoxy. Quite frankly I often ask myself, How can this forum be so bad when there's so much reason for it to be so good?  Undecided

Fwiw, I don't have any intention of becoming Orthodox, but if I were Orthodox I wouldn't leave.
I appreciate all the thoughts from folks and encouragement.

But I want to reiterate, I'm not weak enough to let some Orthobillies on a message board change my faith. (note: that's not a reference to EVERYONE here.)

there's a lot of other stuff going on in this decision.
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