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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2013, 08:19:02 PM »
you can come on an atheist forum i welcome and i apoligize for my grammar but serously when we celebrate easter at my yaiyais ive really gotta ask my self how you ressurect a man who is incapable of dieing

Arotikse ti yia yia,  boro nartho na fame arni mazi. Tha ferro to pastitso ti yia yia mou. ;D
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2013, 08:38:03 PM »
you can come on an atheist forum i welcome and i apoligize for my grammar but serously when we celebrate easter at my yaiyais ive really gotta ask my self how you ressurect a man who is incapable of dieing

Arotikse ti yia yia,  boro nartho na fame arni mazi. Tha ferro to pastitso ti yia yia mou. ;D
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« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2013, 08:47:12 PM »
I told him not to worry as long as there is Lamb and greek lasagna.

Good food, good meat , Good Lord, lets eat. ;D
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« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2013, 08:58:07 PM »
I told him not to worry as long as there is Lamb and greek lasagna.

Good food, good meat , Good Lord, lets eat. ;D
Mmmm, Lamb and Postitso. 

I should fly to Toronto tonight and demand that my Yiayia make me some. :P
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2013, 11:08:57 PM »
what do you guys think of judaism?

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2013, 11:12:57 PM »
Zeitgeist is so 2006; the "Jesus never said He was God/the Trinity is false" trend is more popular among atheists now, especially with those who feel drawn toward Islam.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #96 on: August 04, 2013, 08:34:34 AM »
no the trinity is nonsense it is like water steam and ice the nicean creed confirms this so when i state that it is impossoble for jesus to die because he is "invincible" due to the fact that all three stages of his existence contain a godlike essence this is confirmed by the church they state that god is composed of one divinity so my question is how can an all powerful god be killed by humans with lesser faculties the answer is that he cannot and if he was crucified he would not be able to die because he is immortal if jesus is real then he must still be hanging on a cross and he would be able to heal anyones illness use is infinite knowledge to answer any question ect

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #97 on: August 04, 2013, 08:42:50 AM »
Two natures.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #98 on: August 04, 2013, 08:46:44 AM »
no one nature

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2013, 08:47:15 AM »
no one nature

Ever heard of Chalcedon?
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2013, 08:48:05 AM »
no the trinity is nonsense it is like water steam and ice the nicean creed confirms this so when i state that it is impossoble for jesus to die because he is "invincible" due to the fact that all three stages of his existence contain a godlike essence this is confirmed by the church they state that god is composed of one divinity so my question is how can an all powerful god be killed by humans with lesser faculties the answer is that he cannot and if he was crucified he would not be able to die because he is immortal if jesus is real then he must still be hanging on a cross and he would be able to heal anyones illness use is infinite knowledge to answer any question ect

From Philippians ch. 2:

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

This is what we believe and proclaim. Deal with it.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2013, 08:50:31 AM »
ugh it is one nature and its nonsense it states that god is made of two very similar but not identical substances thats the same yet these subatances are not described in any way its one nature only a foolish person would believe this

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2013, 08:56:03 AM »
ugh it is one nature and its nonsense it states that god is made of two very similar but not identical substances thats the same yet these subatances are not described in any way its one nature only a foolish person would believe this

From 1 Corinthians ch. 1:

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


This is what we believe and proclaim. Deal with it.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2013, 08:59:52 AM »
can you cite the existence of jesus in a text outside the bible

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2013, 09:04:25 AM »
can you cite the existence of jesus in a text outside the bible

Lucian of Samosata, The Passing of Peregrinus.

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2013, 09:05:34 AM »
can you cite the existence of jesus in a text outside the bible

The first-century Roman-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus mentions Jesus in his writings. So does the Koran.
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« Reply #106 on: August 04, 2013, 09:06:11 AM »
these people are likely to have cited the bible or josephus which is a forgery

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« Reply #107 on: August 04, 2013, 09:07:10 AM »
yeah but the koran is another text in which mohammah exixtence cant even be verified and jesus is the most quoted prophet in the quoroan lol

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« Reply #108 on: August 04, 2013, 09:07:47 AM »
these people are likely to have cited the bible or josephus which is a forgery

Lucian of Samosata never read the Bible. Try again.
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« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2013, 09:08:32 AM »
these people are likely to have cited the bible or josephus which is a forgery

Which is a forgery - the works of Josephus, or the Bible? And where is your proof of this?
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« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2013, 09:11:04 AM »
yeah but the koran is another text in which mohammah exixtence cant even be verified and jesus is the most quoted prophet in the quoroan lol

So, according to you, God doesn't exist, Jesus doesn't exist, and we can't be sure about Mohammed having existed either. Hmmm.  Try running your ideas past a few Moslems and see how far you get.  ;)
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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2013, 09:23:23 AM »
these people are likely to have cited the bible or josephus which is a forgery

Which is a forgery - the works of Josephus, or the Bible? And where is your proof of this?


And even if that part of Josephus would be a forgery he would still have to deal with The Passing of Peregrinus.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2013, 09:27:38 AM »
these people are likely to have cited the bible or josephus which is a forgery

Which is a forgery - the works of Josephus, or the Bible? And where is your proof of this?


And even if that part of Josephus would be a forgery he would still have to deal with The Passing of Peregrinus.

I ain't letting Phil off that easily - he cries "forgery", he must prove it.  :police:
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2013, 11:24:07 AM »
can you cite the existence of jesus in a text outside the bible

Of course.

Or did you mean from a contemporary of Jesus? Then no, of course not.

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2013, 11:26:51 AM »
Two natures.

no one nature

You guys done did it now; I'll call your bluff and raise

Two natures and two wills perfectly united with each other
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« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2013, 12:08:33 PM »
ugh it is one nature and its nonsense it states that god is made of two very similar but not identical substances thats the same yet these subatances are not described in any way its one nature only a foolish person would believe this

So you're just going to insult people?

Again, why is he here?

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« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2013, 12:25:21 PM »
ugh it is one nature

And what would that one nature be?

and its nonsense it states that god is made of two very similar but not identical substances

Humanity and divinity are 'very similiar'?

only a foolish person would believe this

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness.
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Re: Why God is definitely not real
« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2013, 01:11:28 PM »
I suggest that the OP do some research on what Apostolic Christianity actually teaches and why it is taught. The Church has a fantastic intellectual tradition, and the doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation were developed in the face of the kinds of objections being discussed in this thread.
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« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2013, 01:32:08 PM »
I am sorry if the OP had some bad experiences in his faith life. I urge him to give it another try, even if only bit by bit for starters. Pray for a few minutes. Stop by church for just part of a service. Read a half page of Scripture. Don't be afraid. We all get frustrated at times. I went through a period of darkness in my life, too. I am still very far from perfect. I just think it's worth giving faith more of a try. You can't do well at something if you stop doing it.

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« Reply #119 on: August 16, 2013, 10:14:09 AM »
Also, it took a couple of centuries to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity and even some of the greatest saints struggled with it. So don't act all surprised that a semiliterate teenager in 2013 has trouble with it as well.  ;D
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« Reply #120 on: August 16, 2013, 10:28:02 AM »
Also, it took a couple of centuries to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity and even some of the greatest saints struggled with it. So don't act all surprised that a semiliterate teenager in 2013 has trouble with it as well.  ;D
He doesn't even understand the basic principles of Orthodox Christianity.  How can you argue with someone who thinks we believe that the Talmud is "basically Old Testament?"

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« Reply #121 on: August 16, 2013, 10:34:44 AM »
Also, it took a couple of centuries to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity and even some of the greatest saints struggled with it. So don't act all surprised that a semiliterate teenager in 2013 has trouble with it as well.  ;D
He doesn't even understand the basic principles of Orthodox Christianity.  How can you argue with someone who thinks we believe that the Talmud is "basically Old Testament?"

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You just answered your own question (I.e., you can't!)  8)
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« Reply #122 on: August 16, 2013, 10:38:37 AM »
Also, it took a couple of centuries to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity and even some of the greatest saints struggled with it. So don't act all surprised that a semiliterate teenager in 2013 has trouble with it as well.  ;D
He doesn't even understand the basic principles of Orthodox Christianity.  How can you argue with someone who thinks we believe that the Talmud is "basically Old Testament?"

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You cut him a break
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2013, 10:43:50 AM »
Also, it took a couple of centuries to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity and even some of the greatest saints struggled with it. So don't act all surprised that a semiliterate teenager in 2013 has trouble with it as well.  ;D
He doesn't even understand the basic principles of Orthodox Christianity.  How can you argue with someone who thinks we believe that the Talmud is "basically Old Testament?"

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You cut him a break
I feel kind of sorry for him, he claims to have been Orthodox at one time, but he knows so little about the Faith.

Do people actually make educated decisions anymore?

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« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2013, 11:03:54 AM »
^This is not about the OP in particular, but it has been my general impression that the most frustrating debates to get into are with those who used to be on one side of something and now vehemently argue for the other side. Many people just seem to take it as a foregone conclusion that if they used to believe X, but have now rejected it, then that means they must have a substantial understanding of X, have some special insight into the problems with X, etc. In my experience Catholics who turned into Bible-believing Protestants seem to be the worst... or perhaps just the most numerous. YMMV.

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« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2013, 11:10:15 AM »
^This is not about the OP in particular, but it has been my general impression that the most frustrating debates to get into are with those who used to be on one side of something and now vehemently argue for the other side. Many people just seem to take it as a foregone conclusion that if they used to believe X, but have now rejected it, then that means they must have a substantial understanding of X, have some special insight into the problems with X, etc. In my experience Catholics who turned into Bible-believing Protestants seem to be the worst... or perhaps just the most numerous. YMMV.
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« Reply #126 on: August 17, 2013, 02:49:10 PM »
This is, by far, the best argument I have ever seen for atheism. The author is clearly an expert in the areas of biblical exegesis, Christian theology, and philosophy. I am sold.

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« Reply #127 on: August 17, 2013, 03:09:46 PM »
Okay first God knows everything not because He sees in the future but because He has no time. It's like He sees all the time at the same time but yet still not like that. It cannot be explained. Now God make miracles and help people that He knows that finally will go to hell. Why? Why He created the angels that would turn demons and us? Well it's because God has more hope than anyone. He has such hope that even if He sees the future for us He still hopes. He knows who will go to hell but still He hopes. He knows Adam and Eve would betray Him but still He hoped. Hope is the reason which comes from His love. Also there is free will.
Now about the other one. Jesus came not as God. He is both God and human but his human nature was crucified. He is full God and full Human and that means that He has also not just body but also a soul... Many thins Divinity came inside His body but no He has also a soul. For that His human nature was able to die.
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« Reply #128 on: August 17, 2013, 03:38:34 PM »
ugh it is one nature and its nonsense it states that god is made of two very similar but not identical substances thats the same yet these subatances are not described in any way its one nature only a foolish person would believe this

So you're just going to insult people?

Again, why is he here?

I thought there was some kind of prize for starting the most ridiculous thread.
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why god is definitely not real
« Reply #129 on: August 17, 2013, 09:10:21 PM »
if god is all knowing why did he create lucifer knowing in  advance that he would revolt and tempt eve into eating the forbidden fruit and set the stage  for jesus's execution why was all of that necessary why didn't god just forgive mankind if he knew all of this was going to happen?  also MANY WORLDS QUANTAM MECHANICS SUGGESTS THAT WITH EVERY DECISION THAT A PERSON MAKES ON THEIR ON VOLITION WITH FREE WILL TWO PARALELL UNIVERSES OPEN UP ONE WHERE THE PERSON HAS MADE THAT DECISION AND ONE WHERE THEY HAVE NOT THEREFORE WE CAN SEE THAT GOD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE IWTH THE ABILITY TO CREATE UNIVERSES. AND THE BIBLE SUGGESTS THERE IS ONLY ONE UNIVERSE THAT IS FLAWED
 
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #130 on: August 17, 2013, 09:25:03 PM »
I am now living in a universe in which I made the decision to post in this thread. Worse conceivable universe to exist in.

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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #131 on: August 17, 2013, 09:28:10 PM »
if god is all knowing why did he create lucifer knowing in  advance that he would revolt and tempt eve into eating the forbidden fruit and set the stage  for jesus's execution why was all of that necessary why didn't god just forgive mankind if he knew all of this was going to happen?  also MANY WORLDS QUANTAM MECHANICS SUGGESTS THAT WITH EVERY DECISION THAT A PERSON MAKES ON THEIR ON VOLITION WITH FREE WILL TWO PARALELL UNIVERSES OPEN UP ONE WHERE THE PERSON HAS MADE THAT DECISION AND ONE WHERE THEY HAVE NOT THEREFORE WE CAN SEE THAT GOD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE IWTH THE ABILITY TO CREATE UNIVERSES. AND THE BIBLE SUGGESTS THERE IS ONLY ONE UNIVERSE THAT IS FLAWED

The Bible doesn't "suggest" anything about one universe. The Hebrew word "הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם" is indicative of a plurality of Universes.

God could have just not created mankind and then mankind wouldn't rebel and God wouldn't have to kill His Son. The reason God did all of that is because He is merciful and He is loving. God did forgive mankind, but mankind went their own way anyway. Christ forgave the Jews, but they still crucified Him.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #132 on: August 17, 2013, 09:29:35 PM »
I am now living in a universe in which I made the decision to post in this thread. Worse conceivable universe to exist in.

You aren't at least in the same universe as the OP, in which everything is capitalized or NOTHING IS.
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #133 on: August 17, 2013, 09:32:56 PM »

I thought there was some kind of prize for starting the most ridiculous thread.

If there was, phil2190 would have to share it with Gebre and his Obama/Harry Potter thread.  :P :P
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Re: why god is definitely not real
« Reply #134 on: August 17, 2013, 09:35:57 PM »
What if I cannot decide in this universe whether to post on this thread or not?  Am I still undecided in another universe? :o