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« on: July 31, 2013, 08:38:26 PM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 06:55:13 PM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

I don't get why should it become too many. Fearing that you may convert?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 06:55:38 PM »

How many are too many daily?

One.

Why would you even listen to that?
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 09:12:14 PM »

All of them.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 12:21:32 AM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

Just curious, why would a Russian Orthodox be speaking Arabic, honoring Ali with the PBUH stuff, etc.? Much less Shia music.

And where are all these Muslims and Muslim-haters appearing from lately? It's like we go through cycles of attracting different sorts of people: Macedonians, Muslims, anti-Macedonians, barely-intelligible-mystics, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 12:37:14 AM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

Probably before you started this silliness.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 01:16:38 AM »

Awful lot of creeping apostasy and راندوم أرابيك اند فارسي ووردس around here for no reason lately...

Stop listening to stuff that is making you glorify Christ-denying heathens.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 01:17:26 AM »

be speaking Arabic

Or Persian, in hindsight. It's been too long since I took Arabic and I remember too little of it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 01:23:11 AM »

Awful lot of creeping apostasy and راندوم أرابيك اند فارسي ووردس around here for no reason lately...


I actually just mentioned in PM to someone that casual apostasy and flaunting conversion to Islam seems to be the flavor of the month here on OC.net.  

I'll go ahead and post our responses in the Hyperdox Herman thread so as to save others the trouble.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 01:25:17 AM »

Awful lot of creeping apostasy and راندوم أرابيك اند فارسي ووردس around here for no reason lately...


I actually just mentioned in PM to someone that casual apostasy and flaunting conversion to Islam seems to be the flavor of the month here on OC.net.  

I'll go ahead and post our responses in the Hyperdox Herman thread so as to save others the trouble.

Casual Apostasy? Is that like nonchalant heresy and effortless conversion?
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 01:30:31 AM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

Probably before you started this silliness.

+1

I listen to some Islamic artists but I feel no need to glorify Islamic prophets or insert Islamic phrases into my text.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 01:35:47 AM »


Casual Apostasy? Is that like nonchalant heresy and effortless conversion?

I like 'em, especially the nonchalant heresy one.

Casual apostasy, if I may temporarily lay claim to the term, differs in my mind from the "I no longer find truth in _____, and I have decided to leave ______ and become _______!!!!"  

Nonchalant heresy seems to be shown, amongst others, in the "Yahwist" sort as of late.  

I'm honestly not sure to which camp "the peace be upon Imam Ali" belongs, or if it straddles both.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 01:48:27 AM »

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

Iranian ones can be pretty bad, kind of blasphemous. But I listen all of the time. I still quite admire the Shi'a religion.  I'm quite interested of your history with Islam, where you born a Shi'a Muslim? Or did you convert?

Salām!

At what point should a Christian stop listening to Iranian Shia' Nasheeds and songs about Imam Ali (peace be upon him, عليه السلام) for entertainment?
How many are too many daily?

May God be your Guardian. (خُدا حافِظ)

Just curious, why would a Russian Orthodox be speaking Arabic, honoring Ali with the PBUH stuff, etc.? Much less Shia music.

And where are all these Muslims and Muslim-haters appearing from lately? It's like we go through cycles of attracting different sorts of people: Macedonians, Muslims, anti-Macedonians, barely-intelligible-mystics, etc.

What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 01:54:16 AM »


+1

I listen to some Islamic artists but I feel no need to glorify Islamic prophets or insert Islamic phrases into my text.

And +1 returned (not rejected).  

I similarly listen to some Islamic music, but I also recognize that limits exist, and that they exist for a reason.  Although not necessarily Shia Nasheeds, Islamic music, particularly Sufi traditions have long viewed music as a vehicle for conversion.  I don't blame them, nor do I mean to make that sound overly nefarious.  Still, one shouldn't be shocked when it has an effect on someone.

Orthodox Christianity tends to be wary of teachings and spiritual arts and practices other than its own, not simply because of close-mindedness or ignorant fear, but because it recognizes a level of real danger or divergence contained within them.  Do priests and the laity sometimes overplay or misguidedly attack things? Almost certainly.  That doesn't mean, despite what some may try to spin, that there isn't legitimate cause for concern.  And anyone claiming that this is just puritanical influence from outside Orthodoxy is likely either ignorant of widespread cautionary teachings, lending too much weight to examples--representative of correct teaching or not--supporting their position, or is lying.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 02:04:48 AM »


Iranian ones can be pretty bad, kind of blasphemous. But I listen all of the time.

I'm no priest, and I'm sure not your guide, but if you are a sincere inquirer into Orthodox Christianity, you may want to ask yourself why you are doing this.
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What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not.  Obviously nothing is wrong with Arabic, but when you start posting Islamic phrases in Arabic after Islamic leaders' names, it isn't exactly kosher for Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 02:09:39 AM »


Iranian ones can be pretty bad, kind of blasphemous. But I listen all of the time.

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I'm no priest, and I'm sure not your guide, but if you are a sincere inquirer into Orthodox Christianity, you may want to ask yourself why you are doing this.

It just happens. I listen to chants, hymns and Psalms too. I also listen to Latin Mass once in a while.

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What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not.  Obviously nothing is wrong with Arabic, but when you start posting Islamic phrases in Arabic after Islamic leaders' names, it isn't exactly kosher for Orthodoxy.

Touche.
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 11:44:11 AM »

What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

Nothing wrong with Arabic, I just didn't understand why a Russian Orthodox would be using Arabic in that way.
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What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

Nothing wrong with Arabic but a lot wrong with a Christian copy-pasting Islamic phraseology into his text.
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Iranian ones can be pretty bad, kind of blasphemous. But I listen all of the time.

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I'm no priest, and I'm sure not your guide, but if you are a sincere inquirer into Orthodox Christianity, you may want to ask yourself why you are doing this.

It just happens. I listen to chants, hymns and Psalms too. I also listen to Latin Mass once in a while.

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I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not.  Obviously nothing is wrong with Arabic, but when you start posting Islamic phrases in Arabic after Islamic leaders' names, it isn't exactly kosher for Orthodoxy.

Touche.

I'm curious, what makes you admire the Shia faith?
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 12:50:22 PM »

What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

Nothing wrong with Arabic, I just didn't understand why a Russian Orthodox would be using Arabic in that way.

Probably for the same reason a Greek Orthodox would use Church Slavonic- because it looks foreign.
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 12:55:18 PM »


How many are too many daily?


One, is too many.

There are so many beautiful Orthodox hymns, why would you waste your time with anything else?
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 01:02:27 PM »

What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

Nothing wrong with Arabic, I just didn't understand why a Russian Orthodox would be using Arabic in that way.

because it looks foreign.

I think you're confusing foreign with stupid.
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 04:24:06 PM »

Awful lot of creeping apostasy and راندوم أرابيك اند فارسي ووردس around here for no reason lately...


I actually just mentioned in PM to someone that casual apostasy and flaunting conversion to Islam seems to be the flavor of the month here on OC.net.  

I'll go ahead and post our responses in the Hyperdox Herman thread so as to save others the trouble.

Casual Apostasy? Is that like nonchalant heresy and effortless conversion?

It's what people to today.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 04:35:07 PM »


Iranian ones can be pretty bad, kind of blasphemous. But I listen all of the time.

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I'm no priest, and I'm sure not your guide, but if you are a sincere inquirer into Orthodox Christianity, you may want to ask yourself why you are doing this.

It just happens. I listen to chants, hymns and Psalms too. I also listen to Latin Mass once in a while.

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What's wrong with Arabic? I thought the Arabs post-dated the Europeans in their Christianity.

I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not.  Obviously nothing is wrong with Arabic, but when you start posting Islamic phrases in Arabic after Islamic leaders' names, it isn't exactly kosher for Orthodoxy.

Touche.

I'm curious, what makes you admire the Shia faith?

Beauty and devotion, also mystery, Shi'a resources are not as accessible as Sunni ones, I also am curious about the lives of the other Imams, like Imam al-Kathim, Imam al-Ridha and Imam al-Sadiq.

I actually, at least for scholarly report, would like to own some Shi'a hadith collections and learn more about Shi'ite history in general.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2013, 05:04:36 PM »

I don't mean to sound like an extremist or anything, but am I the only one here who is not the least bit interested in divisions within a false religion, and finds any attraction or admiration of Christians to any form or Islam baffling? I mean, I appreciate that the Shi'ite ruler built the Armenian Church in new Julfa back in 1600-whatever, but that's about as far as it goes. Comparatively it does seem that Shi'a are more tolerant than their Sunni brethren (probably because they know what it's like to be persecuted for being a religious minority), so I know which I'd rather live with if there were only the two main choices, but at the end of the day, it's still Islam. What is it that the Qur'an says, after all..."All kuffar is one nation" or some such?

Well...yeah, that. Wink

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2013, 05:43:32 PM »

I don't mean to sound like an extremist or anything, but am I the only one here who is not the least bit interested in divisions within a false religion, and finds any attraction or admiration of Christians to any form or Islam baffling? I mean, I appreciate that the Shi'ite ruler built the Armenian Church in new Julfa back in 1600-whatever, but that's about as far as it goes. Comparatively it does seem that Shi'a are more tolerant than their Sunni brethren (probably because they know what it's like to be persecuted for being a religious minority), so I know which I'd rather live with if there were only the two main choices, but at the end of the day, it's still Islam. What is it that the Qur'an says, after all..."All kuffar is one nation" or some such?

Well...yeah, that. Wink



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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2013, 05:28:01 PM »

Probably not a problem until you allow it to lead you astray.  I listen to Odinist music quite frequently, but I am not going to worship the allfather any time soon.  He is a character to me.  It helps that it is a dead religion for all intents and purposes.  I think it would be much easier to slide into Islam than it would be to go Viking in any meaningful sense.



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