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« on: July 29, 2013, 12:23:28 PM »

More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics
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Americans consider blacks more likely to be racist than whites and Hispanics in this country.

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American Adults think most black Americans are racist, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Just 15% consider most white Americans racist, while 18% say the same of most Hispanic Americans.

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 12:28:09 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 02:23:42 PM »

Well, the majority of adults in the US ARE white, so I don't think it is necessarily suprising that they are adverse to self-condemnation.
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 03:08:44 PM »

Well, the majority of adults in the US ARE white, so I don't think it is necessarily suprising that they are adverse to self-condemnation.

True, but the article also states, "Among black Americans, 31% think most blacks are racist, while 24% consider most whites racist and 15% view most Hispanics that way."   So, according to this, more blacks consider blacks to be racist than they do whites.  Interesting.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 03:14:42 PM »

I'm suprised at the number of people thinking race relations are getting worse.  It seems like things are going in a very positive direction as far as that is concerned.  Look where the country was 50 years ago.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 03:19:06 PM »

I'm suprised at the number of people thinking race relations are getting worse.  It seems like things are going in a very positive direction as far as that is concerned.  Look where the country was 50 years ago.

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 04:35:36 PM »

I'm suprised at the number of people thinking race relations are getting worse.  It seems like things are going in a very positive direction as far as that is concerned.  Look where the country was 50 years ago.

Our cities are more segregated than ever, even if our buildings and public spaces aren't.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 04:46:41 PM »

I feel lucky that I am exposed to so little of this purported racism. The worst I see is the reposting of racist memes by my moron ex-step-brother on facebook.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 05:38:58 PM »

Now that's a load of bull

It's no secret that we Hispanics are the most racist of all. Only difference is that for some reason the media ignores us and views Blacks as the only minority in America Smiley My grandparents are extremely racist against Black people, more so than any White redneck I've ever met, and they're full blooded Mexicans. They also hate White people just as much and say that Native Americans are lazy.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 06:04:16 PM »

Denmark is less welcoming? I'm crushed  Sad
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 06:08:37 PM »

Denmark is less welcoming? I'm crushed  Sad

The survey was probably conducted by a Swede
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 06:11:53 PM »

Denmark is less welcoming? I'm crushed  Sad

The survey was probably conducted by a Swede

That's the most racist thing I've heard in this thread.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 06:25:31 PM »

Denmark is less welcoming? I'm crushed  Sad

The survey was probably conducted by a Swede

That's the most racist thing I've heard in this thread.  Embarrassed

I think it was a joke.  Smiley

But, granted, we aren't exactly known for being hospitable. That, combined with ridiculously high prices, isn't exactly good for the tourist industry, a point which our beloved newspapers haven't allowed us to forget the past few weeks.
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 07:35:53 PM »

Well, the majority of adults in the US ARE white, so I don't think it is necessarily suprising that they are adverse to self-condemnation.
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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2013, 07:37:19 PM »

I'm suprised at the number of people thinking race relations are getting worse.  It seems like things are going in a very positive direction as far as that is concerned.  Look where the country was 50 years ago.
There are those with vested interests in seeing no change over the last 50 years.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2013, 07:47:45 PM »

I've found that Muslim Arabs in America are probably the most racist or at least hateful of them all, tbh. I know several of their kids at school who are miserable or constantly abused by their parents simply for associating with American kids. I know several Muslim girls who've gotten black eyes or bruises simply for saying hello to an American boy. My ice-cream man once related to me a story where he went to the ice cream shop to stock up on supplies and it was ran by a group of Arabs who had a big picture of Osama Bin Laden on the wall with candles around it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2013, 08:06:43 PM »

More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics
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Americans consider blacks more likely to be racist than whites and Hispanics in this country.

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American Adults think most black Americans are racist, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Just 15% consider most white Americans racist, while 18% say the same of most Hispanic Americans.

For the rest of the story, please follow the link:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics

The reverse is actually true when a white person goes into an African-American neighborhood.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 11:11:59 PM »

I've found that Muslim Arabs in America are probably the most racist or at least hateful of them all, tbh. I know several of their kids at school who are miserable or constantly abused by their parents simply for associating with American kids. I know several Muslim girls who've gotten black eyes or bruises simply for saying hello to an American boy. My ice-cream man once related to me a story where he went to the ice cream shop to stock up on supplies and it was ran by a group of Arabs who had a big picture of Osama Bin Laden on the wall with candles around it.

While it may very well be that the people you speak of from your real-life experience are racist, that is not the only possible explanation.  People come to this country from all over the world in search of a better life, better opportunities, but are not necessarily looking for a "better culture".  And, if they wanted one, "America" might not be the one they'd prefer.  There are wonderful things about the American "culture" and people, but its values and morals really do not always mesh well with more "traditional" cultures.  Those parents may very well be doing the best they know how to make sure their kids get the best of what America has to offer and not also the worst.   
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 12:15:06 AM »

In New Mexico, those who are the receiving end of racism are usually Native Americans. It's sad because they have already suffered a great deal.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2013, 08:34:28 AM »

Well, the majority of adults in the US ARE white, so I don't think it is necessarily suprising that they are adverse to self-condemnation.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2013, 10:35:58 AM »

I wonder if part of Blacks looking like they are racist is the fact that they have to come to terms with what happened until the Civil War and the fight for civil rights in the 20th century.  Sometimes when a group bands together on the defensive, they may appear to be "racist" or "snobbish" while they are really in a defensive mode.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2013, 11:38:13 AM »

I wonder if part of Blacks looking like they are racist is the fact that they have to come to terms with what happened until the Civil War and the fight for civil rights in the 20th century.  Sometimes when a group bands together on the defensive, they may appear to be "racist" or "snobbish" while they are really in a defensive mode.

Remembering the movie "Patton" where a Armed Forces journalist asked Gen. Geo. Patton if he and Field Marshall Montgomery considered themselves 'Prima Donnas'.  Upon which he answered, and I'm paraphrasing: "I know I'm a Prima Donna, but what I don't understand is why Monty doesn't".   So, its so easy to blame whites as racist but to ignore racism by other ethnicities is not being truthful.
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2013, 07:24:16 PM »


Why doesn't this map show a big red spot for Israel........the most racist nation on the planet.

Oh right, it's put  out there by the Jerusalem, er, I mean Washington Post.


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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2013, 07:58:33 PM »

Why doesn't this map show a big red spot for Israel........the most racist nation on the planet.

Oh right, it's put  out there by the Jerusalem, er, I mean Washington Post.

Nothing to see here, moving on.

It says "Attitude of population toward foreign visitors." The Israelis are quite friendly towards foreigners, it's the locals they aren't particularly nice to.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 08:28:37 AM »

I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
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My grandparents are extremely racist against Black people, more so than any White redneck I've ever met, and they're full blooded Mexicans.

Blacks in many countries are often racist towards eachother as well. 'Black' Surinamers with a brown skin colour and the Indo-Surinamese look down upon the Creole and the Maroons, who are even more black. Parents discourage their brown children to marry blacks. Those marriages are scandalous and pretty rare.
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Why doesn't this map show a big red spot for Israel........the most racist nation on the planet.

Oh right, it's put  out there by the Jerusalem, er, I mean Washington Post.


Nothing to see here, moving on.

I'm more curious as to why there isn't a big red spot for NY.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 10:12:49 AM »

Im not surprised by this. The most hateful things I ever heard about other races came from black groups.

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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 10:49:32 AM »

I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
you mean, rioting for a strong arm robber?
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I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
you mean, rioting for a strong arm robber?

What is more surprising is that those people rioted before they even knew why the boy had been shot.

Does burning and looting shops bring back the dead? Were the shopowners responsible for the shooting?
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2014, 11:11:53 AM »

I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
you mean, rioting for a strong arm robber?

What is more surprising is that those people rioted before they even knew why the boy had been shot.

Does burning and looting shops bring back the dead? Were the shopowners responsible for the shooting?

I don't know why inner city blacks riot in their neighborhoods and ruin the business infrastructure in order to attain some sort of justice for what they perceive as an injustice done to them.....Maybe they see that any injury or killing of any one person is an attack on all.   This is the only thing I can think of when this happens.  But, ruining one's own neighborhood to satisfy one's grief or supposed grief is only going to back fire on the general population after the dust settles down.  Can blacks be racist? Of course, anyone is capable of racism if they allow themselves to succumb to it.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2014, 11:13:35 AM »

"Black culture" holds black people back. Pure and simple.

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I don't know why inner city blacks riot in their neighborhoods and ruin the business infrastructure in order to attain some sort of justice for what they perceive as an injustice done to them.....Maybe they see that any injury or killing of any one person is an attack on all. 

Perhaps, but the shopkeepers aren't responsible for the incident. It isn't unlikely that the shopkeepers themselves are black.
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I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
you mean, rioting for a strong arm robber?

What is more surprising is that those people rioted before they even knew why the boy had been shot.

Does burning and looting shops bring back the dead? Were the shopowners responsible for the shooting?

I don't know why inner city blacks riot in their neighborhoods and ruin the business infrastructure in order to attain some sort of justice for what they perceive as an injustice done to them.....Maybe they see that any injury or killing of any one person is an attack on all.   This is the only thing I can think of when this happens.  But, ruining one's own neighborhood to satisfy one's grief or supposed grief is only going to back fire on the general population after the dust settles down.  Can blacks be racist? Of course, anyone is capable of racism if they allow themselves to succumb to it.
From the reports that I have seen and heard, much of the rioting was done by people who came in from St. Louis, not locals. The locals were performing the largely peaceful daytime protests and the thugs from the inner city would show up at night and wreak havoc. I'm sure there are exceptions, but those are the reports that I have seen. Also, Ferguson isn't "inner city".
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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2014, 11:40:42 AM »

I'm slightly hesitant to jump-start a thread about racism, but I'd like to share a thought: white Americans are pretty individualistic, which I think is one factor that makes it more difficult to understand certain things like the current demonstrations/protests in Ferguson, MO.
you mean, rioting for a strong arm robber?

What is more surprising is that those people rioted before they even knew why the boy had been shot.

Does burning and looting shops bring back the dead? Were the shopowners responsible for the shooting?

I don't know why inner city blacks riot in their neighborhoods and ruin the business infrastructure in order to attain some sort of justice for what they perceive as an injustice done to them.....Maybe they see that any injury or killing of any one person is an attack on all.   This is the only thing I can think of when this happens.  But, ruining one's own neighborhood to satisfy one's grief or supposed grief is only going to back fire on the general population after the dust settles down.  Can blacks be racist? Of course, anyone is capable of racism if they allow themselves to succumb to it.
From the reports that I have seen and heard, much of the rioting was done by people who came in from St. Louis, not locals. The locals were performing the largely peaceful daytime protests and the thugs from the inner city would show up at night and wreak havoc. I'm sure there are exceptions, but those are the reports that I have seen. Also, Ferguson isn't "inner city".

The locals need to be alert and identify who doesn't belong in a peaceful demonstrations.  Some, for many reasons, enjoy escalating an already inflamed situation....some do it to get TV attention others it may be just frustration, anger, whatever.   But this destructive activity is never acceptable.   
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2014, 12:34:23 PM »

I sat in on an "African Studies" class once and several things I learned that day:

White people only marry other white people because they are racist.

Giving your kids white names like Johnathon, David, etc is racist (funny thing - they listed a bunch of names, all of them were Hebrew).

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I sat in on an "African Studies" class once and several things I learned that day:

White people only marry other white people because they are racist.

Giving your kids white names like Johnathon, David, etc is racist (funny thing - they listed a bunch of names, all of them were Hebrew).

Being white is racist.


I have the sneaking suspicion this claim could be taken away by the garbage truck and no one would know the difference.
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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2014, 12:40:46 PM »

I sat in on an "African Studies" class once and several things I learned that day:

White people only marry other white people because they are racist.

Giving your kids white names like Johnathon, David, etc is racist (funny thing - they listed a bunch of names, all of them were Hebrew).

Being white is racist.


I have the sneaking suspicion this claim could be taken away by the garbage truck and no one would know the difference.

I'm not sure exactly what that means? Are you saying I'm lying? Sorry, it did happen in January 2012 at UF.
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2014, 12:53:39 PM »

I've found that Muslim Arabs in America are probably the most racist or at least hateful of them all, tbh. I know several of their kids at school who are miserable or constantly abused by their parents simply for associating with American kids. I know several Muslim girls who've gotten black eyes or bruises simply for saying hello to an American boy. My ice-cream man once related to me a story where he went to the ice cream shop to stock up on supplies and it was ran by a group of Arabs who had a big picture of Osama Bin Laden on the wall with candles around it.

While it may very well be that the people you speak of from your real-life experience are racist, that is not the only possible explanation.  People come to this country from all over the world in search of a better life, better opportunities, but are not necessarily looking for a "better culture".  And, if they wanted one, "America" might not be the one they'd prefer.  There are wonderful things about the American "culture" and people, but its values and morals really do not always mesh well with more "traditional" cultures.  Those parents may very well be doing the best they know how to make sure their kids get the best of what America has to offer and not also the worst.    

Wait... what?

You think it is acceptable to hit your little daughter so hard it givers her black eyes and bruises to prevent her from mingling with the kids from the culture that gives you both opportunities your own country would never provide you and deny to her? You think it is ok to cultivate an arrogant despise towards the society that helps you to the point you would hurt your own children if they don't cultivate the same disgraceful feelings?

That is the summary of all that is wrong with anti-American hate in the last decades.
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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2014, 12:55:32 PM »

Perhaps a better explanation would be that people move here so they aren't getting shot at by Muslim extremists yet at the same time do not want their child turning into a Miley Cyrus wannabe.
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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2014, 01:00:49 PM »

Perhaps a better explanation would be that people move here so they aren't getting shot at by Muslim extremists yet at the same time do not want their child turning into a Miley Cyrus wannabe.

*Even* if that was what they wanted and not simply socialize like any normal human being. Black eyes and bruises? That is not just a little slap on the hand for trying to stick the finger into the cake.

Honestly, any culture that thinks that beating women and children is ok is the one that has to be avoided. It's about time to quit the silliness that whatever shallow aspects there may exist in American pop culture, the barbarism and inhumaness of many other cultures is far worse.
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2014, 01:11:35 PM »

Perhaps a better explanation would be that people move here so they aren't getting shot at by Muslim extremists yet at the same time do not want their child turning into a Miley Cyrus wannabe.

*Even* if that was what they wanted and not simply socialize like any normal human being. Black eyes and bruises? That is not just a little slap on the hand for trying to stick the finger into the cake.

Honestly, any culture that thinks that beating women and children is ok is the one that has to be avoided. It's about time to quit the silliness that whatever shallow aspects there may exist in American pop culture, the barbarism and inhumaness of many other cultures is far worse.
I'm not sure it can be said that it is standard operating procedure for Muslims to beat the women and children. Certainly some do, just like some Christians, Hindus and nontheists do as well.
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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2014, 01:32:27 PM »

Perhaps a better explanation would be that people move here so they aren't getting shot at by Muslim extremists yet at the same time do not want their child turning into a Miley Cyrus wannabe.

*Even* if that was what they wanted and not simply socialize like any normal human being. Black eyes and bruises? That is not just a little slap on the hand for trying to stick the finger into the cake.

Honestly, any culture that thinks that beating women and children is ok is the one that has to be avoided. It's about time to quit the silliness that whatever shallow aspects there may exist in American pop culture, the barbarism and inhumaness of many other cultures is far worse.
I'm not sure it can be said that it is standard operating procedure for Muslims to beat the women and children. Certainly some do, just like some Christians, Hindus and nontheists do as well.

I'm not generalizing. I'm talking about the specific case above. Someone beat a little girl so hard as to give her a black eye and bruises just to prevent her from socializing with American friends at school. That is hate, ungratefulness and utterly condemnable. It's not a case of "cultural relativism". It's a crime and should be treated as such.

Now, as for the cultural relativism. Cultural relativists will always say "Ha, hypocrite, you condemn this in culture X, but it also happens in yours". Which is just a fallacy. Everything happens everywhere, from the greatest virtues to the lowest vices, because we are all humans, we all have the law of God in our hearts and the potential to be worse than demons in our life. What characterizes a culture is what it considers normative and what it considers wrong.

I can read texts of the Fathers teaching husbands not to beat their wives. I can find priests and pastors teaching the same. Likewise, I can easily find muslim texts and teachers on youtube saying it is ok to beat wives. In both cultures there are men who do it and men who don't. The difference is that Christianity considers it normative not to do it and Islam clearly considers normative to do it. Christians who beat their wives, even if they belong to cultures where it is more common, are less Christian for that. Muslims who do it, even in cultures where this is forbidden, are not worse Muslims for that.
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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2014, 01:55:32 PM »

Perhaps a better explanation would be that people move here so they aren't getting shot at by Muslim extremists yet at the same time do not want their child turning into a Miley Cyrus wannabe.

*Even* if that was what they wanted and not simply socialize like any normal human being. Black eyes and bruises? That is not just a little slap on the hand for trying to stick the finger into the cake.

Honestly, any culture that thinks that beating women and children is ok is the one that has to be avoided. It's about time to quit the silliness that whatever shallow aspects there may exist in American pop culture, the barbarism and inhumaness of many other cultures is far worse.

You should do more research on Miley Cyrus.  I'm sorry, but attempting to emulate Miley Cyrus is certainly cause for beating, if not lethal force, just for the good of the gene pool.
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