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« Reply #135 on: July 31, 2013, 03:09:27 PM »

You know what I wish for, more than anything at all?

Non existence

I don't care whether I'm a man or a woman or a monkey or a dang parrot for crying out loud. I'd just rather not exist. God creates us and throws us smack dab in the middle of this senseless, chaotic world like it's some sort of game, and leaves us there with no guidance or aid at all, with the vague options of either a) follow me and do what I say, or b) you'll end up in the furnace. Well what if I just don't want to play the game at all? I never asked to be here. And the fact that the Church condemns suicide so strictly only confirms this grim reality; that with God there is no escape. Even if you kill yourself I'm still going to be there to torment you.
Almost every single person that I have ever run into that wishes they didn't exist has been a teenager.  In fact, I was the same way when I was a teen.  The issue is not so much the problem of existence as it is the problem that a teen is looking into a very scary future that he/she doesn't know how to deal with and it overwhelms them.  They don't have the experience to know that they will be able to make it in the world, but they are too proud to admit that they can't handle it.  I know it sucks at age 17, but in 10 years, you will look back and think: gee, I've come a long way and I've got a long way to go.  It is your emotions that are tormenting you so much, not your circumstance.  Learning how to deal with them and self regulate your emotions will serve you well as you age and mature.
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« Reply #136 on: July 31, 2013, 03:21:22 PM »

Most people who complain about how horrible the world is have never really had it hard.  I don't care that you grew up in the ghetto.  My grandma grew up listening to British bombers blasting crap all night, then seeing Russian dive bombers hitting a ship full of wounded men, and listening to them scream as it went down.  I never hear her bitch about life and I never hear her gripe about God not stopping people from doing evil things that she saw with her very eyes.

When life really does suck, people always seem to either focus on the good or cut the talk and grab the Glock.
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« Reply #137 on: July 31, 2013, 03:43:29 PM »

Why is that so difficult?

Because it's a paradox no matter how I look at it.

How do I "love" God, "develop a relationship" with Him or show "kindness" and "respect" to Him if He won't communicate with me and I have no assurance that He is here? He just seems like a deadbeat father.

If, however, God is with us, what does it matter? He doesn't do anything about the evil in the world and just stands idly by, allowing the world to burn. This makes Him even harder to worship because it makes me not like Him.

It's called free will.

People will always find something to complain about.



Teenagers are especially good at it. Roll Eyes

That's ageism!

Btw: old people are good at complaining too.
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« Reply #138 on: July 31, 2013, 03:51:26 PM »

Why is that so difficult?

Because it's a paradox no matter how I look at it.

How do I "love" God, "develop a relationship" with Him or show "kindness" and "respect" to Him if He won't communicate with me and I have no assurance that He is here? He just seems like a deadbeat father.

If, however, God is with us, what does it matter? He doesn't do anything about the evil in the world and just stands idly by, allowing the world to burn. This makes Him even harder to worship because it makes me not like Him.

It's called free will.

People will always find something to complain about.



Teenagers are especially good at it. Roll Eyes

That's ageism!

Btw: old people are good at complaining too.

Ageism, smageism, smurfism!

I didn't say they weren't.  They are.  You should meet my father-in-law.  Well...maybe not.  Only at your peril.  But teenagers are especially good at it.  Except, of course, Dutch teenagers Wink.

EDIT:  American teenagers probably are world champs at complaining.
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« Reply #139 on: July 31, 2013, 03:53:59 PM »

Most people who complain about how horrible the world is have never really had it hard.  I don't care that you grew up in the ghetto.  My grandma grew up listening to British bombers blasting crap all night, then seeing Russian dive bombers hitting a ship full of wounded men, and listening to them scream as it went down.  I never hear her bitch about life and I never hear her gripe about God not stopping people from doing evil things that she saw with her very eyes.

When life really does suck, people always seem to either focus on the good or cut the talk and grab the Glock.

Well said.

My mom, too.  Lived through all kinds of horrors as a child, had a difficult life and marriage, suffers from illness in old age....and not a peep of complaining.  Nada. 

Prays and glorifies God at all times, for all things.
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« Reply #140 on: July 31, 2013, 03:56:15 PM »

EDIT:  American teenagers probably are world champs at complaining.

Reminds me of a pic I saw the other day...

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« Reply #141 on: July 31, 2013, 03:57:45 PM »

EDIT:  American teenagers probably are world champs at complaining.

Reminds me of a pic I saw the other day...


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« Reply #142 on: July 31, 2013, 03:58:51 PM »


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« Reply #143 on: July 31, 2013, 04:10:56 PM »

You know what I wish for, more than anything at all?

Non existence

I don't care whether I'm a man or a woman or a monkey or a dang parrot for crying out loud. I'd just rather not exist. God creates us and throws us smack dab in the middle of this senseless, chaotic world like it's some sort of game, and leaves us there with no guidance or aid at all, with the vague options of either a) follow me and do what I say, or b) you'll end up in the furnace. Well what if I just don't want to play the game at all? I never asked to be here. And the fact that the Church condemns suicide so strictly only confirms this grim reality; that with God there is no escape. Even if you kill yourself I'm still going to be there to torment you.
Almost every single person that I have ever run into that wishes they didn't exist has been a teenager.  In fact, I was the same way when I was a teen.  The issue is not so much the problem of existence as it is the problem that a teen is looking into a very scary future that he/she doesn't know how to deal with and it overwhelms them.  They don't have the experience to know that they will be able to make it in the world, but they are too proud to admit that they can't handle it.  I know it sucks at age 17, but in 10 years, you will look back and think: gee, I've come a long way and I've got a long way to go.  It is your emotions that are tormenting you so much, not your circumstance.  Learning how to deal with them and self regulate your emotions will serve you well as you age and mature.

Reminds me of the old joke: A guy (probably an American Hispanic teenager Grin Grin) was bitching and moaning about his lot in his short life.  A friendly and wise (Orthodox) priest came along, listened quite carefully and attentively to him for a long period of time.  Then, when the complainer had finally run out of things to complain about, the friendly and wise priest offered this sage advice: "Cheer up!  Things could always be worse."  So, he cheered up and sure enough, things got worse! laugh laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #144 on: July 31, 2013, 04:14:12 PM »

You know what I wish for, more than anything at all?

Non existence

I don't care whether I'm a man or a woman or a monkey or a dang parrot for crying out loud. I'd just rather not exist. God creates us and throws us smack dab in the middle of this senseless, chaotic world like it's some sort of game, and leaves us there with no guidance or aid at all, with the vague options of either a) follow me and do what I say, or b) you'll end up in the furnace. Well what if I just don't want to play the game at all? I never asked to be here. And the fact that the Church condemns suicide so strictly only confirms this grim reality; that with God there is no escape. Even if you kill yourself I'm still going to be there to torment you.
Almost every single person that I have ever run into that wishes they didn't exist has been a teenager.  In fact, I was the same way when I was a teen.  The issue is not so much the problem of existence as it is the problem that a teen is looking into a very scary future that he/she doesn't know how to deal with and it overwhelms them.  They don't have the experience to know that they will be able to make it in the world, but they are too proud to admit that they can't handle it.  I know it sucks at age 17, but in 10 years, you will look back and think: gee, I've come a long way and I've got a long way to go.  It is your emotions that are tormenting you so much, not your circumstance.  Learning how to deal with them and self regulate your emotions will serve you well as you age and mature.

Reminds me of the old joke: A guy (probably an American Hispanic teenager Grin Grin) was bitching and moaning about his lot in his short life.  A friendly and wise (Orthodox) priest came along, listened quite carefully and attentively to him for a long period of time.  Then, when the complainer had finally run out of things to complain about, the friendly and wise priest offered this sage advice: "Cheer up!  Things could always be worse."  So, he cheered up and sure enough, things got worse! laugh laugh laugh laugh
He probably ended up biting his tongue and had no friends that symathized with him properly.
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« Reply #145 on: July 31, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »

You know what I wish for, more than anything at all?

Non existence

I don't care whether I'm a man or a woman or a monkey or a dang parrot for crying out loud. I'd just rather not exist. God creates us and throws us smack dab in the middle of this senseless, chaotic world like it's some sort of game, and leaves us there with no guidance or aid at all, with the vague options of either a) follow me and do what I say, or b) you'll end up in the furnace. Well what if I just don't want to play the game at all? I never asked to be here. And the fact that the Church condemns suicide so strictly only confirms this grim reality; that with God there is no escape. Even if you kill yourself I'm still going to be there to torment you.
Almost every single person that I have ever run into that wishes they didn't exist has been a teenager.  In fact, I was the same way when I was a teen.  The issue is not so much the problem of existence as it is the problem that a teen is looking into a very scary future that he/she doesn't know how to deal with and it overwhelms them.  They don't have the experience to know that they will be able to make it in the world, but they are too proud to admit that they can't handle it.  I know it sucks at age 17, but in 10 years, you will look back and think: gee, I've come a long way and I've got a long way to go.  It is your emotions that are tormenting you so much, not your circumstance.  Learning how to deal with them and self regulate your emotions will serve you well as you age and mature.

Reminds me of the old joke: A guy (probably an American Hispanic teenager Grin Grin) was bitching and moaning about his lot in his short life.  A friendly and wise (Orthodox) priest came along, listened quite carefully and attentively to him for a long period of time.  Then, when the complainer had finally run out of things to complain about, the friendly and wise priest offered this sage advice: "Cheer up!  Things could always be worse."  So, he cheered up and sure enough, things got worse! laugh laugh laugh laugh
He probably ended up biting his tongue and had no friends that symathized with him properly.
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« Reply #146 on: July 31, 2013, 04:19:45 PM »

Video about shoes - worth the 3 minutes to watch it.  Packs quite a punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofFHeP-9zM
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« Reply #147 on: July 31, 2013, 04:21:58 PM »

Video about shoes - worth the 3 minutes to watch it.  Packs quite a punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofFHeP-9zM


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« Reply #148 on: July 31, 2013, 04:23:22 PM »


Watch it when you get home.

What about Facebook?  Blocked?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=177898039056283&set=vb.306430396123877&type=2&theater
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« Reply #149 on: July 31, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »


I rarely use the computer at home.  A little bit on weekends.  I'll try to remember.  But...woe is me, oh woe, woe, woe is me, I'm old and my memory sucks big time Grin Grin Grin.

Facebook?  Books have faces??  Don't do Facebook, twitter, iphone, ipad, youphone, theyphone, ain't got no black or blue or dingle berry device either.  I'd probably be using a 286 computer if mine still worked  Cheesy.

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I'd probably be using a 286 computer if mine still worked  Cheesy.

I heard they're coming out with these circular disc things pretty soon and we'll be able to ditch the 5 1/4s...   it's gonna be so awesome!
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« Reply #151 on: July 31, 2013, 04:43:06 PM »

I'd probably be using a 286 computer if mine still worked  Cheesy.

I heard they're coming out with these circular disc things pretty soon and we'll be able to ditch the 5 1/4s...   it's gonna be so awesome!

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« Reply #152 on: July 31, 2013, 04:56:37 PM »

"Cheer up!  Things could always be worse."  So, he cheered up and sure enough, things got worse! laugh laugh laugh laugh

Cheer up Brian.
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« Reply #153 on: July 31, 2013, 05:07:44 PM »

"Cheer up!  Things could always be worse."  So, he cheered up and sure enough, things got worse! laugh laugh laugh laugh

Cheer up Brian.

Things are never so bad that they can't go worse. So beware of famous last words.
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Okay, but only if we can eat them.  The FISH, I mean! Grin  (Trouble with fishing, around here anyway, is that you might be itching to go, but really *are* itching all over by the time you get back Cool Cool.)

Of course.  I'm not the kind to catch and release.  If you aren't going to eat it, why bother catching it?

Mosquitoes are one reason I haven't gone this year.  It's been a very wet summer and they're out in force!


Have you ever heard of BEST YET (mosquitoes and fleas) or Tickshield (stronger solution for ticks and mosquitoes in the water sheds and wooded areas) at www.cedarcide.com or Badger Balm Anti-Bug Balm (www.badgerbalm.com)? They work.

They are great pest deterrents.
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« Reply #156 on: July 31, 2013, 05:19:03 PM »

...like something they really are not in the misguided hope they will be that something.  It does not make them what they want to be.

Isn't that deification--what the entire Christian life is about? We try to act like gods and pretend we're Divine in hopes we'll one day be like God even though most of us will end up in the furnace?
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« Reply #157 on: July 31, 2013, 05:20:42 PM »

I wish them all well in life.

I don't think you can repress transsexualism without going insane, while a homosexual can be celibate just as easily as a heterosexual.

What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.
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« Reply #158 on: July 31, 2013, 05:25:17 PM »

I wish them all well in life.

I don't think you can repress transsexualism without going insane, while a homosexual can be celibate just as easily as a heterosexual.

What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.

They aren't the same any longer because we no longer live in a single society without any contact with others, differently-ruled ones. The separation of biological and social characteristics was a necessary one.
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« Reply #159 on: July 31, 2013, 05:26:32 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
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I wish them all well in life.

I don't think you can repress transsexualism without going insane, while a homosexual can be celibate just as easily as a heterosexual.

What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.

They aren't the same any longer because we no longer live in a single society without any contact with others, differently-ruled ones. The separation of biological and social characteristics was a necessary one.
Muddy waters...
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What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.

I don't think that's fair at all. Transsexalism is completely different from anything with sexual orientation.
After Hormone Therapy the person looses all lobido, it has nothing to do with sex. They actually lose all their desire for it. To gain their libido back they have to lower their female hormone intake temporarily which isn't something that most would even consider.
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« Reply #162 on: July 31, 2013, 05:27:49 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.

Other way around, actually. Your sex remains unchanged, but your gender identity shifts.

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/
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« Reply #163 on: July 31, 2013, 05:27:53 PM »

I wish them all well in life.

I don't think you can repress transsexualism without going insane, while a homosexual can be celibate just as easily as a heterosexual.

What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.

No, they aren't the same any longer because we no longer confuse biology and culture. If I wear a dress, does that make me a woman? No. If a little boy plays with Barbies, does that make him a girl? No. Does it make him homosexual? No. People will be homosexual or heterosexual either way, but their cultural preferences like what they like to wear or play with doesn't really make a difference.
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« Reply #164 on: July 31, 2013, 05:28:22 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.
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« Reply #165 on: July 31, 2013, 05:28:58 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.

Other way around, actually. Your sex remains unchanged, but your gender identity shifts.

http://www.who.int/gender/whatisgender/en/
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« Reply #166 on: July 31, 2013, 05:29:04 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your gender changed because gender is subjective and cultural, but your sex is still the same.
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« Reply #167 on: July 31, 2013, 05:30:19 PM »

I wish them all well in life.

I don't think you can repress transsexualism without going insane, while a homosexual can be celibate just as easily as a heterosexual.

What's to be repressed? Transsexualism is not an orientation in itself; there are homosexual transsexuals and (belief it or not) heterosexual transsexuals. I think you are confusing "gender" for sex; the two are not the same thing.
They aren't the same any longer because people muddy the waters.  They used to be the same.

No, they aren't the same any longer because we no longer confuse biology and culture.
Corrected.

Muddy waters...
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« Reply #168 on: July 31, 2013, 05:31:25 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your gender changed because gender is subjective and cultural, but your sex is still the same.
Sorry, gender didn't change. The only change is the way people now define it.
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« Reply #169 on: July 31, 2013, 05:31:43 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your sex may or may not have changed, depending on what the chromosome combination was before. If you live as a woman, the gender has definitely changed.
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« Reply #170 on: July 31, 2013, 05:33:05 PM »


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« Reply #171 on: July 31, 2013, 05:41:36 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your sex may or may not have changed, depending on what the chromosome combination was before. If you live as a woman, the gender has definitely changed.

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« Reply #172 on: July 31, 2013, 05:43:04 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your gender changed because gender is subjective and cultural, but your sex is still the same.

That's nonsense and you know it.
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« Reply #173 on: July 31, 2013, 05:46:30 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your sex may or may not have changed, depending on what the chromosome combination was before. If you live as a woman, the gender has definitely changed.

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I blame it all on the pronouns.  Wink

We know English speakers have a world of trouble separating physical and grammatical gender. We'll go easy on you.
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« Reply #174 on: July 31, 2013, 05:53:53 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your sex may or may not have changed, depending on what the chromosome combination was before. If you live as a woman, the gender has definitely changed.

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I blame it all on the pronouns.  Wink

We know English speakers have a world of trouble separating physical and grammatical gender. We'll go easy on you.
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« Reply #175 on: July 31, 2013, 05:55:47 PM »

Her restraint in not blaming it on you being an American, and thus not knowing proper English to begin with, is commendable!
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« Reply #176 on: July 31, 2013, 05:58:32 PM »

Her restraint in not blaming it on you being an American, and thus not knowing proper English to begin with, is commendable!
I refused to be confined by grammatical gender.  From now I all gender specific words shall be replaced with the word "twig"
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« Reply #177 on: July 31, 2013, 06:21:16 PM »

I refused to be confined by grammatical gender.  From now I all gender specific words shall be replaced with the word "twig"

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« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2013, 07:41:37 PM »



Your gender changed because gender is subjective and cultural, but your sex is still the same.

That's nonsense and you know it.

Actually...its not nonsense....some people wouldn't get sex even if they changed gender.  Wink
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« Reply #179 on: July 31, 2013, 11:10:35 PM »

You can be effeminate, but you're still a man. Your gender doesn't change.
You can be post op, wear a dress, take estrogen injections and walk in high heels and you're still a man.  Your gender didnt change.

Your sex may or may not have changed, depending on what the chromosome combination was before. If you live as a woman, the gender has definitely changed.
The definition certainly has changed.
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