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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #405 on: October 07, 2017, 01:41:48 PM »
Now they say sassafras causes cancer

Is there anything that doesn't cause cancer. There's probably some research that says drinking plain water causes cancer
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #406 on: October 07, 2017, 01:48:11 PM »
Now they say sassafras causes cancer

Is there anything that doesn't cause cancer. There's probably some research that says drinking plain water causes cancer

Pretty much.  I've heard it said that Amerindians are adapted to tobacco use and don't get cancer from it like Europeans do.

Similarly, Amerindians don't deal with sugar and alcohol well but Europeans can tolerate it better.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #407 on: October 07, 2017, 02:00:48 PM »
Now they say sassafras causes cancer

Is there anything that doesn't cause cancer. There's probably some research that says drinking plain water causes cancer

Pretty much.  I've heard it said that Amerindians are adapted to tobacco use and don't get cancer from it like Europeans do.

That would be interesting if it was true. Being a silly White man I don't know anything about Indians but I thought tobacco use for Amerindians was kind of ritualistic and reserved for special occasions as opposed to everyday constant smoking people nowadays do. If people would smoke only on special occasions and would smoke only natural non-cultivated milder tobacco nobody would get cancer.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #408 on: October 07, 2017, 05:21:28 PM »
I have no idea what root beer is.
Me neither, but it tastes really good.

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #409 on: October 28, 2017, 04:06:22 PM »
Can someone give an ignorant American a brief history and 'why' behind what's going on in Catalonia?

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #410 on: October 28, 2017, 04:16:04 PM »
Can someone give an ignorant American a brief history and 'why' behind what's going on in Catalonia?

I don't know anything about Spain but for an ignorant Finn having an own language, stronger economic standing compared to neighbouring regions and historically having turmulous relationship with Spain does sound like a good ground for a separatist movement.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #411 on: October 28, 2017, 05:07:03 PM »
Catalans are not Spanish.  That's it in a nutshell.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #412 on: October 28, 2017, 05:27:08 PM »
Spain is a rump empire. If Castillans hadn't eventually tried to impose itself over other identities, maybe the minorities might see Spain as supra-national rather than essentially Castillan.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #413 on: October 28, 2017, 05:35:30 PM »
Can someone give an ignorant American a brief history and 'why' behind what's going on in Catalonia?

Spain is kind of a hodge-podge country.  Maybe to make a loose analogy to those in the English world, we wouldn't be to shocked if Quebec left Canada or  if other places on the British Isles left the UK.  I think Catalonia may have even more independence than the countries I just mentioned, so that makes any decisions it doesn't like by the Spanish government even more exacerbating.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #414 on: November 01, 2017, 02:42:59 AM »
Not to mention that in the Catalonian living memory (up to Franco's death) speaking and teaching Spanish was mandatory and merely speaking Catalonian could land someone in jail.  So Catalonians are used to looking with suspicion and rancor at Madrid. 
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #415 on: November 14, 2017, 01:41:43 AM »
At about what age do people usually graduate high school in Europe, and how long does it generally take to get the equivalent of a U.S. Bachelors degree?
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #416 on: November 20, 2017, 03:30:13 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #417 on: November 20, 2017, 03:45:22 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.

Americans don't. I mean, technically you still can in some places (seems like not as many as you'd think, though), but I think the general sense is that you're being gauche if you do. The only place I really see people use checks nowadays is when they pay bills via snail mail.

It's funny, when I was a kid (mid to late 90s), there was this restaurant in my town that I loved but my parents never really wanted to take me to because... they didn't take checks. Thus Ouroboros devours its own tail...
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #418 on: November 20, 2017, 03:51:27 AM »
Yeah, other than rent I rarely need some kind of paper payment (cash, check, money order).

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #419 on: November 20, 2017, 04:13:10 AM »
Yeah, other than rent I rarely need some kind of paper payment (cash, check, money order).

My family and I pay cash a lot for small things, but it is getting rarer, yep.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #420 on: November 20, 2017, 04:42:12 AM »
Yeah, other than rent I rarely need some kind of paper payment (cash, check, money order).

Sorry to be nosy but how do pay your rent?
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #421 on: November 20, 2017, 04:44:13 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.

Where did you get that idea?  Checks aren't used that often

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #422 on: November 20, 2017, 04:46:06 AM »
Yeah, other than rent I rarely need some kind of paper payment (cash, check, money order).

Sorry to be nosy but how do pay your rent?

Money orders from my bank (haven't had checks in probably a decade now).

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #423 on: November 20, 2017, 06:15:21 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.

Where did you get that idea?  Checks aren't used that often

I read a newspaper article about some new American real-time money transfer system called The Clearing House and the article mentioned checks too. It felt a bit outlandish as I've never seen a check or heard of anyone using them in my entire life.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #424 on: November 20, 2017, 06:20:19 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.

Where did you get that idea?  Checks aren't used that often

I read a newspaper article about some new American real-time money transfer system called The Clearing House and the article mentioned checks too. It felt a bit outlandish as I've never seen a check or heard of anyone using them in my entire life.

Oh wow,  that may be unique.  Even in the mid 2000's checks were normative to a degree.   Checks aren't as obscure as you mention them, even today.   I'll still write about three checks a year.   Often times they are given as money gifts,  wedding presents,  rent pay, and a few other things.   They are very seldom, if at all used in stores or online orders anymore.

I guess the question is,  what is the European substitute in say the year 1999?
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #425 on: November 20, 2017, 06:40:51 AM »
It felt a bit outlandish as I've never seen a check or heard of anyone using them in my entire life.

In the 10 years I've been living in Britain, I've seen cheques go from being everywhere (and everyone with a bank account being issued a chequebook on demand) to pretty much all shops putting up notices that they no longer accept them. The recession hasn't been kind to the system. If something needs to be paid by snail mail, that's what bank or postal orders are for now, although the commission on top is ridiculous. Recurrent bills are all paid by direct debit, or at the post office, if one insists on cash. Only my mother-in-law still uses cheques to send us birthday money, and I wish she'd stop because they're a pain. ;D
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #426 on: November 20, 2017, 06:52:05 AM »
Why do you keep using checks? In Finland nobody uses them anymore and there are a lot more convenient ways to transfer money.

Where did you get that idea?  Checks aren't used that often

I read a newspaper article about some new American real-time money transfer system called The Clearing House and the article mentioned checks too. It felt a bit outlandish as I've never seen a check or heard of anyone using them in my entire life.

Oh wow,  that may be unique.  Even in the mid 2000's checks were normative to a degree.   Checks aren't as obscure as you mention them, even today.   I'll still write about three checks a year.   Often times they are given as money gifts,  wedding presents,  rent pay, and a few other things.   They are very seldom, if at all used in stores or online orders anymore.

I guess the question is,  what is the European substitute in say the year 1999?

I was born in late eighties and I guess in my small town working class bubble people went to bank to pay their bills in person. AFAIK gifts were given in cash. From what I remember at the early 2000's internet started to become normative and everyone started to pay everything through netbanks.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #427 on: November 21, 2017, 12:16:22 AM »
Why do you keep using checks?
They seem to be used only for minor payments, usually by mail, or for major payments, like rent or a down payment on a durable good.  Almost everything in between is paid by plastic.  I myself loath both, preferring to pay with my mobile phone.

However, cash seems to be much more widely used in much of Europe than stateside.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #428 on: November 21, 2017, 02:26:07 AM »
However, cash seems to be much more widely used in much of Europe than stateside.

It really varies. AFAIK the norther you go the less cash is used. Finns tend to prefer cards.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #429 on: December 23, 2017, 04:07:06 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?
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« Reply #430 on: December 23, 2017, 05:14:44 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?
Whatever  they cooked . But seriously it's a big and heterogeneous country so it varies widely .
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« Reply #431 on: December 23, 2017, 05:38:38 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?

It does vary a lot. In my experience it tends to be very similar to Thanksgiving.

Also, you want to say, “What DO Americans eat on Christmas”.
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« Reply #432 on: December 23, 2017, 08:48:47 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?

Usually Christmas dinners involve lots of family members or guests, like Thanksgiving Day. Grocery stores tend to have loss-leaders (below or at their cost) to lead customers into there store with the expectation that the customers will not go from store to store to purchase everything they need (which is the case, since this has been going on since I was a child). There is usually a $10-$25 minimum purchase requirement to get the low price on meats, but not other items that are decreased to draw customers into the store.

At least some/most people, based on their limited budget, determine their Christmas dinners based on these meat item loss leaders.

So this is what people are eating for Christmas on the US West Coast:
Hormel cure 81 spiral-sliced ham (bone-in) - $1.39/lb. (most stores), generic $1.19 at Aldi's
Farmer John Full half ham (bone-in) - $0.57/lb
Pork shoulder, picnic roast, or half leg - $0.67/lb. (for Tamales usually at this time of year).
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Bone-in USDA Choice Ribeye beef roast -$4.77/lb. Choice is one tier below (less marbling) Prime beef which is only sold in high-end restaurants.

Other items for dinner include potatoes ($0.99/10lb), brussel sprouts $0.69/lb, string beans $0.69/lb, pineapple ($0.99/each), etc.

I thought your answers did not reflect what determines dinners for most Americanos.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #433 on: December 23, 2017, 09:00:16 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?

turkey, duck, ham, chicken, pizza, Chinese food, hot dogs, pork chops

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #434 on: December 23, 2017, 09:01:20 PM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?

Just me & my parents growing up.  Ham was typically the meat.  Then yes, similar sides to Thanksgiving: cranberry something, corn casserole, green beans, a potato dish of some sort, rolls, jello salad, a relish tray (the last three were pretty standard at holiday meals).  Little has changed except the day we celebrate (it was today, shh don't tell anyone).   :D  Pork loin this year, not ham.  Sweet potato pie for dessert.
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #435 on: December 24, 2017, 01:37:34 AM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #436 on: December 24, 2017, 02:05:08 AM »
What Americans eat on Christmas?

Also, you want to say, “What DO Americans eat on Christmas”.

Thanks. I thought of that but then it started to like hyper-correct.

Whatever  they cooked . But seriously it's a big and heterogeneous country so it varies widely .

Obviously but I was assuming that there still is something that could be considered traditional Christmas dishes for more or less most people.
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« Reply #437 on: December 24, 2017, 02:12:26 AM »
There are often traditions within families, but nothing nation-wide as with turkey on Thanksgiving or grilled food on Independence Day (though even with those there is significant variation).
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« Reply #438 on: December 24, 2017, 02:47:37 AM »
There are often traditions within families, but nothing nation-wide as with turkey on Thanksgiving or grilled food on Independence Day (though even with those there is significant variation).

Interesting. I wonder how it endedd up that way.
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« Reply #439 on: December 24, 2017, 06:15:16 AM »
I have no idea. Regarding Christmas though, apparently this family makes 500 ravioli for dinner  :laugh:

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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #440 on: December 24, 2017, 09:28:03 AM »
There are often traditions within families, but nothing nation-wide as with turkey on Thanksgiving or grilled food on Independence Day (though even with those there is significant variation).

Interesting. I wonder how it endedd up that way.

Well Christmas predates America by quite a lot.  ;)  This isn't the case with Thanksgiving or Independence Day celebrations.  So there's a lot more to draw on to begin with, and then throw in the fact that we apparently just do whatever we want anyway...  :D  But I'm curious if there's a practical reason behind the pig theme.  Maybe it's all that was left to feed a crowd after everyone had killed all the turkeys the month before?
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« Reply #441 on: December 24, 2017, 10:20:23 AM »
...  But I'm curious if there's a practical reason behind the pig theme.  Maybe it's all that was left to feed a crowd after everyone had killed all the turkeys the month before?
In the case of the US perhaps, but Pork is traditionally regarded as Christmas food, here (Greece) too. From what I was able to find, pigs were sacrificed and pork was consumed during the Roman festival of Saturnalia, which was considered an added "Greek" flavour to the feast, so when Christians "Christianized" the festival, continued to eat pork on Christmas perhaps? who knows? 
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Re: A thread for ignorant Europeans
« Reply #442 on: December 24, 2017, 11:23:47 AM »
In the case of the US perhaps, but Pork is traditionally regarded as Christmas food, here (Greece) too. From what I was able to find, pigs were sacrificed and pork was consumed during the Roman festival of Saturnalia, which was considered an added "Greek" flavour to the feast, so when Christians "Christianized" the festival, continued to eat pork on Christmas perhaps? who knows?

More a case of a single pig being something even poor people could maintain, that would give a good load of fresh meat in the middle of winter and plenty of leftovers to preserve until spring. In a culture of subsistence farming, where animals were kept for milk or eggs and only slaughtered when too old to produce any more, that would be a downright feast.
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