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Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« on: July 27, 2013, 09:33:27 AM »
Is anyone aware of any Orthodox parishes, whether in Russia or abroad, which celebrate the Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian (not Old Slavonic or the Russian recension thereof)?  Is the practice common anywhere?

I would someday like to visit such a church, if it exists, and I am traveling in the vicinity.  Hence my question.


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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 09:34:49 AM »
I know there is one in St. Petetrsburg. Probably one in Moscow. Would be surprised if there were more than 4 altogether.
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 09:47:13 AM »
I know there is one in St. Petetrsburg. Probably one in Moscow. Would be surprised if there were more than 4 altogether.

Not an unexpected reply, but sad (from the point of view of one who believes that, on most occasions, the vernacular is the way to go).  If you could point out which parishes in St. Petersburg and Moscow those are, I'd be interested to know.  It is more likely, due to the presence of relatives, that we will be in Moscow at some point than St. Petersburg, but one never knows . . . .

Perhaps someone else knows of parishes in the diaspora in America which celebrate in modern Russian.  Of the two Moscow Patriarchate parishes in our immediate vicinity, I believe one (settled by Carpathian immigrants but which declined to go into the OCA) celebrates in English and the other (established by Russian sailors who were stationed in America for a time) celebrates in Old Slavonic.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2013, 12:43:55 PM »
For some reason I thought one of the churches in Athens, Greece served the liturgy in Russian, and had been doing so since the days of the Tsar.
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 09:54:48 AM »
Actually, I was told there is only one place when services are in Russian:
http://www.sfi.ru/
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 06:00:52 PM »
Although Patriarch Alexei gave permission for the liturgy to be celebrated in Russian if the local bishop approves, most bishops are still apprehensive about switching to Russian, because the previous group that had services in Russian were the Soviet-sponsored "Living Church". Not exactly the most auspicious group to emulate. Anyhow, the groups that use Russian now are not Soviet-controlled, but have been regarded as suspect (the group around Fr. Georgy Kochetkov) and are liturgically modernist.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 06:59:41 AM »
Actually, I was told there is only one place when services are in Russian:
http://www.sfi.ru/

Thank you.  If and when I am in Moscow, I will have to stop by.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2013, 01:58:46 PM »
Anyhow, ROCOR uses either Slavonic or the vernacular if serving. ROCOR is significantly conservative in liturgical and theological matters, but there are quite a few people who defend the use of Slavonic in the services in Russia, and there are quite a few pages and websites that teach Slavonic, especially on pravoslavie.ru or azbyka.ru. Even though one of the resolutions of the Council of 1917-1918 was to switch services to Russian, the transition would be eventual, and the Russian Orthodox Church was never able to implement the recommendations of the council because of the Russian Revolution.

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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2013, 02:09:25 PM »
Anyhow, ROCOR uses either Slavonic or the vernacular if serving. ROCOR is significantly conservative in liturgical and theological matters, but there are quite a few people who defend the use of Slavonic in the services in Russia, and there are quite a few pages and websites that teach Slavonic, especially on pravoslavie.ru or azbyka.ru. Even though one of the resolutions of the Council of 1917-1918 was to switch services to Russian, the transition would be eventual, and the Russian Orthodox Church was never able to implement the recommendations of the council because of the Russian Revolution.
At least the impulses had already produced a Bible in Russian, under the auspices of Met. St. Filoret of Moscow-although it would have done better to stick with the LXX, rather than following the Western Captivity in adopting the Masoretic text.
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 03:13:13 PM »
I know there is one in St. Petersburg. Probably one in Moscow. Would be surprised if there were more than 4 altogether.

Do you know the name and address in St Petersburg?
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 03:18:51 PM »
I know there is one in St. Petersburg. Probably one in Moscow. Would be surprised if there were more than 4 altogether.

Do you know the name and address in St Petersburg?

It appeared I was probably wrong about St. Petersburg. That school was the only address I got.
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 03:28:34 PM »
Is anyone aware of any Orthodox parishes, whether in Russia or abroad, which celebrate the Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian (not Old Slavonic or the Russian recension thereof)?  Is the practice common anywhere?

I would someday like to visit such a church, if it exists, and I am traveling in the vicinity.  Hence my question.

I thought there was a Church of All Saints somewhere in Moscow that was blessed to serve in Russian, but I'm not finding any references to it :-/. Perhaps it is connected with this St. Philaret Institute?
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Re: Divine Liturgy in Modern Russian Language
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2013, 09:55:47 AM »
Modern-day, how many average Church-goers understand Slavonic?  Is it taught in schools?
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