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« on: July 23, 2013, 04:14:32 AM »

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Greek priests outraged when they see that instead of writing FYROM Macedonia

Representatives of the Greek and Cypriot Church reacted harshly to the General Secretariat of the Council of European Churches, whose map of Europe is represented by the Church of Cyprus and Macedonia, instead of "FYROM" is represented as - Macedonia.

This is a provocation, said the Metropolitan of the Greek Orthodox Church, Chrysostomos. Heads of delegations of the Greek Church, Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Mesinija, and Following the Church of Cyprus, Mr. Bishop of Neapolis Porfirios, filed a joint statement protesting the event and expressed their dissatisfaction.

General Council of European Churches from 3 to 8 July at Budapest General Meeting held at the Conference of European Churches. During yesterday's session, the Secretary General presented a map with members from Europe.


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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 04:57:18 AM »

Council of European Churches
Greek priests outraged when they see that instead of writing FYROM Macedonia

Representatives of the Greek and Cypriot Church reacted harshly to the General Secretariat of the Council of European Churches, whose map of Europe is represented by the Church of Cyprus and Macedonia, instead of "FYROM" is represented as - Macedonia.

This is a provocation, said the Metropolitan of the Greek Orthodox Church, Chrysostomos. Heads of delegations of the Greek Church, Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Mesinija, and Following the Church of Cyprus, Mr. Bishop of Neapolis Porfirios, filed a joint statement protesting the event and expressed their dissatisfaction.

General Council of European Churches from 3 to 8 July at Budapest General Meeting held at the Conference of European Churches. During yesterday's session, the Secretary General presented a map with members from Europe.


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Yes, we are racists...we also eat little children...alive!
Btw the canonical name of the Church is Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric, an autonomous Church under the omophorion of the Serbian Patriarch.
Also, please, before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean: release from prison the canonical primate of the Church, Archbishop Jovan who is percecuted and imprisoned illegally. You are currently the only country in the whole of Europe that incarcerates people based on religious beliefs
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 08:08:26 AM »

Is this just the "Atocephalous Church of Bulgaria" all over again?  Like the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the loss of power of the Greeks?
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 08:09:56 AM »

Is this just the "Atocephalous Church of Bulgaria" all over again?  Like the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the loss of power of the Greeks?

No.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 08:34:19 AM »

Is this just the "Atocephalous Church of Bulgaria" all over again?  Like the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the loss of power of the Greeks?

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 10:00:43 AM »

Tecnically, I wouldn't Call this racism as such. Racism is hartes, based on a persons ethnicity. This is about a name.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 02:00:19 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 02:02:15 AM »

Bishop Anthimos: “No Mercy is Possible”
2011/11/18

In his latest Sunday Sermon on November 13, 2011, the Greek Orthodox Bishop of Thessaloniki Anthimos continues his anti-Macedonian diatribes, fully funded by the Greek state, with full support from the Patriarch, and a generation of Greek parishioners who have been brought up to  believe that Church is a place to talk about everything EXCEPT the love of God, and Jesus Christ. No matter what happens to the Greek economy or society, it seems there will always be sufficient borrowed German euros available to pay for the salary of professional propagandists like Anthimos, and others like him...

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 02:05:39 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?

Well, a Cherokee is ethnically a Cherokee regardless of the name of the country they're living in. So I'd be inclined to say yes, if "Italian" is actually an ethnicity and not just a nationality that covers multiple ethnicities.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 03:59:58 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?

Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. Persia became Iran. Mesopotamia became Iraq. Etc.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 04:04:33 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?

Well, a Cherokee is ethnically a Cherokee regardless of the name of the country they're living in. So I'd be inclined to say yes, if "Italian" is actually an ethnicity and not just a nationality that covers multiple ethnicities.

I'd be inclined to say that Italian is really more of a nationality (try convincing a Sicilian that he's ethnically the same as somebody from Piedmont).
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2013, 05:46:16 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?

Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. Persia became Iran. Mesopotamia became Iraq. Etc.

Samogitia became Lithuania...
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2013, 07:24:38 AM »

The "Macedonians" should just change their name to something more appropriate, release the Serbian Orthodox bishop, stop the persecution of the canonically Orthodox and relinquish their ridiculous claims to Greek historical figures like Alexander the Great. When that is done most problems will solve itself.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2013, 07:26:46 AM »

The "Macedonians" should just change their name to something more appropriate

Why?
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2013, 07:29:41 AM »

The "Macedonians" should just change their name to something more appropriate

Why?

Because:

1) They do not have an historical connection to the Macedonians

2) They do not have the language or the culture of the Macedonians

3) It gives offence to the real Macedonians and causes international conflicts

4) By adopting the name of Macedonians they lay claim to Macedonia, so to speak.

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2013, 07:33:38 AM »

1) They do not have an historical connection to the Macedonians

Greeks have no historical connection to ancient Greece, Egyptians to ancient Egypt, Italians to ancient Rome etc...

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What conflicts? Greek butthurt is not an international conflict.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2013, 07:39:14 AM »

1) They do not have an historical connection to the Macedonians

So Greeks have no historical connection to ancient Greece, Egypt to ancient Egypt...

That's nonsense.

The Ancient Macedonians weren't Slavs and did not speak a Slavic language. FYROMians have nothing to do with the Macedonia of Philip II or Alexander.

Ancient Macedonia participated in the Greek leagues, spoke Greek, was invited by Isocrates to head a Panhellenic alliance against Persia and when they did overthrow Persia it wasn't Slavic, but Greek culture and language that was spread in the East.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2013, 09:05:27 AM »

That's nonsense.

The Ancient Macedonians weren't Slavs and did not speak a Slavic language. FYROMians have nothing to do with the Macedonia of Philip II or Alexander.


Replace Ancient Macedonia with Ancient Britain, Slavic with Germanic, Greek with Celtic, and Phillip II with King Arthur, you have the story of Great Britain. You don't see the Welsh getting all butthurt about the Anglo-Saxons claiming to be British do you?
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2013, 09:42:57 AM »

Every language has a different name for a group of people than they call themselves...this is nearly universal. What you call yourselves almost never matches what someone else calls you, be it ethnicity, your faith, your region, your nation etc.

Pride is the culprit here, and yes, it works both sides of most arguments about such things.

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2013, 10:06:12 AM »

The name of a country is directly linked to their ethnicity. Are you saying if Italy changes its name that the people would still be considered Italian?

I cannot talk for the personal opinions of the bishops regarding macedonians as a people, but this specific issue is about the name of your country, not its people, therefore, in my opinion, you can't call it racism.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2013, 10:20:30 AM »

When my people invaded what is today Denmark, they replaced the original tribes who had inhabitated the lands. One of these tribes, the jutes, left Jutland between the 4th and the 6th century, which made it easier for the danes to settle there.
Besides calling themselves danes, the people who now lived in Jutland eventually adopted the name of the old tribe, even though we had no cultural nor genetical relationship with them.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2013, 10:20:53 AM »

This is all a temporary problem: in another couple of generations, since both Greeks and Macedonians refuse to have babies, the entire region will be known as Greater Albania...
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2013, 10:23:58 AM »

This is all a temporary problem: in another couple of generations, since both Greeks and Macedonians refuse to have babies, the entire region will be known as Greater Albania...

Or, The Islamic Republic of Greater Albania.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2013, 10:24:54 AM »

This is all a temporary problem: in another couple of generations, since both Greeks and Macedonians refuse to have babies, the entire region will be known as Greater Albania...

Or, The Islamic Republic of Greater Albania.

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2013, 10:27:06 AM »

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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2013, 10:28:37 AM »

From what I hear, the Albanian Orthodox are making lots of inroads.  The fundamentalist Moslem faction is less than popular with its no-pork, no-booze restrictions.  Most Albanian Moselms are pretty secularized.  They do seem to like their own Church, the Orthodox Church of Albania, and don't enforce death sentences for conversion (yet).  Now is the time to get busy...

This is all a temporary problem: in another couple of generations, since both Greeks and Macedonians refuse to have babies, the entire region will be known as Greater Albania...

Or, The Islamic Republic of Greater Albania.
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2013, 11:27:21 AM »

1) They do not have an historical connection to the Macedonians

Greeks have no historical connection to ancient Greece, Egyptians to ancient Egypt, Italians to ancient Rome etc...

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What conflicts? Greek butthurt is not an international conflict.


Michal is right.  It is only a problem for the Greeks and they are being ethnocentric not racists.  And Michal is again right by giving other examples from history of a an ethnic group adopting another name.    I can add to the list the Bulgarians, another Slavic ethnic group.  The Bulgars were a Turkic tribe of Central Asia who came to the Balkans in the 7th century.  The Bulgars were outnumbered by the Slavic population.
  Ethnic groups "self-identify" and if the Macedonian Slavs want to called themselves Macedonians  and now have a country they call Macedonia there is nothing the Greeks can do about it.  One of my professors at the University of Toronto was Prof. Andrew Rossos (Russian history) and he was Macedonian & told us of Macedonians who had needles stuck in their tongues by Greeks because they spoke Macedonian in the old days.
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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2013, 08:54:07 PM »

The mistake many people make is classifying Macedonians as Slavs. Slavic is not an ethnicity, the Greeks use so they can claim only they have the right to Aegean Macedonia. It was never about history that was just a nice bonus to them it is all about the land.

Greeks claim Macedonians are Greek or they dont exist.

Bulgarians claim Macedonians are Bulgarian brothers.

Serbs claimed that Macedonians were South Serbs.

How can the Macedonians be all these things but at the same time not exist or something that is even more absurd is be created in a lab by Tito.

How paranoid do you have to be to make up such propaganda.

The churches should have been the shining light of reason but instead lurked behind the shadow doing the devils bidding.
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2013, 10:04:24 PM »

If the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece acts like this towards both the MOC and the Ochrid Archbishopric, and to the Macedonian people, then the position of non-Greeks in the GOAA is also terrible. I would just release Archbishop Jovan, have him head the Macedonian Orthodox Church (re-form the Ochrid Archbishopric as an autonomous, and later an autocephalous church if needed). Racism or ethnocentrism is not appropriate for Orthodox of any stripe. I don't care if you are Russians, Greeks, Serbians, or extraterrestrials, but can't we all get along?
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2013, 04:00:59 AM »

what is a macedonian? a larper?

 police police police police police

i hear a green dot

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or whatever dots they give out

(PS, how about those balkans just quit fighting and unite under a new roman empire and remove some kebab)
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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2013, 04:14:31 AM »

(PS, how about those balkans just quit fighting and unite under a new roman empire and remove some kebab)

The chances of the Balkan uniting in another Greek Empire are rather slim.
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2013, 04:53:05 AM »

(PS, how about those balkans just quit fighting and unite under a new roman empire and remove some kebab)

The chances of the Balkan uniting in another Greek Empire are rather slim.

There has never been a Greek empire.

If it is not a big deal for Macedonia to change its name, then it shouldnt be a problem for Greece or any other Balkan nation to do the same.

Why can Greece hold onto a name that does not belong top them but Macedonians cant use their own name.

Why doesnt Greece just change its name to Macedonia since they are obsessed with it.
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2013, 05:05:41 AM »

(PS, how about those balkans just quit fighting and unite under a new roman empire and remove some kebab)

The chances of the Balkan uniting in another Greek Empire are rather slim.

There has never been a Greek empire.

There have been several. The Empire of Alexander the Great, for example.

Why can Greece hold onto a name that does not belong top them but Macedonians cant use their own name.

It does belong to Greece. Macedonians are Greek and have always been Greek. The Skopians are imposters who usurped not only Greek but Bulgarian heritage as well. And then the Skopians wonder why all their neighbours hate them.

Why doesnt Greece just change its name to Macedonia since they are obsessed with it.

Because Macedonia is only one of the regions of Greece.
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2013, 05:46:26 AM »

Personally, I don't care much what the inhabitants of the Former Yugoslav Republic wish to call themselves or their country, but the Greeks have a legitimate grievance and to dismiss it as simple racism is rather simplistic. Looking at the map, a greater area of Macedonia lies within Greece than in FYROM.

However, I don't particularly care for the way in which the Church tries to get involved in a national/ethnic dispute between two Orthodox peoples. The creation of a non-canonical Macedonian Church is a concern for the Serbian Orthodox Church, not the churches of Greece or Cyprus.
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2013, 06:43:59 AM »

That's nonsense.

The Ancient Macedonians weren't Slavs and did not speak a Slavic language. FYROMians have nothing to do with the Macedonia of Philip II or Alexander.


Replace Ancient Macedonia with Ancient Britain, Slavic with Germanic, Greek with Celtic, and Phillip II with King Arthur, you have the story of Great Britain. You don't see the Welsh getting all butthurt about the Anglo-Saxons claiming to be British do you?

The Welsh would be up in arms if Shropshire started calling itself 'Wales'.

It doesn't help that, during the first years of FYROM independence, there were maps going around marking the new country's borders down to the Thermaic Gulf. As they didn't include the entire historical Macedonia area, the gesture was taken as a first expansionist claim and treated accordingly.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2013, 09:35:42 AM »

Personally, I don't care much what the inhabitants of the Former Yugoslav Republic wish to call themselves or their country, but the Greeks have a legitimate grievance and to dismiss it as simple racism is rather simplistic. Looking at the map, a greater area of Macedonia lies within Greece than in FYROM.

However, I don't particularly care for the way in which the Church tries to get involved in a national/ethnic dispute between two Orthodox peoples. The creation of a non-canonical Macedonian Church is a concern for the Serbian Orthodox Church, not the churches of Greece or Cyprus.

But that begs a larger question, and one which has vexed Orthodoxy for centuries. The sort of game playing,  squabbling and open hostilities which these disputes give rise to creates many problems within the  greater (don't insert a nationality) Orthodox Church. Orthodoxy has never resolved how to deal with them in the absence of a strong imperial presence. Obviously the model chosen by the West is incorrect, but inertia and side-picking seems not to work either.
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2013, 09:53:55 AM »

Well, the real Macedonia IS in Greece. FYROM is extremely guilty of ethnophyletism and nationalism. Just look at their current uncanonical status. You don't just unilaterally declare independence from another Orthodox Church, ESPECIALLY if its because you think because you have your own nation that you deserve your own church.

It should have stayed with the Serbian Church until it was granted autocephaly.

As for FYROM itself, it's just one more example of the sad trend of nationalism in post-communist lands.
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2013, 10:24:33 AM »

That's nonsense.

The Ancient Macedonians weren't Slavs and did not speak a Slavic language. FYROMians have nothing to do with the Macedonia of Philip II or Alexander.


Replace Ancient Macedonia with Ancient Britain, Slavic with Germanic, Greek with Celtic, and Phillip II with King Arthur, you have the story of Great Britain. You don't see the Welsh getting all butthurt about the Anglo-Saxons claiming to be British do you?

The Welsh would be up in arms if Shropshire started calling itself 'Wales'.

It doesn't help that, during the first years of FYROM independence, there were maps going around marking the new country's borders down to the Thermaic Gulf. As they didn't include the entire historical Macedonia area, the gesture was taken as a first expansionist claim and treated accordingly.

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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2013, 11:37:42 AM »

As for FYROM itself, it's just one more example of the sad trend of nationalism in post-communist lands.

Greece a post-communist land?
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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2013, 12:26:47 PM »

As for FYROM itself, it's just one more example of the sad trend of nationalism in post-communist lands.

Greece a post-communist land?
No, but FYROM is. The country was established as the "Autonomous Republic of Macedonia" by Tito in 1946, one of the 6 constituent republics of Socialist Yugoslavia. By creating a "Macedonian" ethnicity, language, and state, the Yugoslavian government had two objectives:
1) To remove any Bulgarian influence or aspiration for this region - because undoubtedly the Bulgarian presence in that area was quite strong and pro-Bulgarian tendencies were powerful, and
2) to unite Macedonia as a whole-that is, not only the Yugoslavian part of it, but also the Greek part and the Bulgarian part, a connecting link in establishing a "Socialist Federation of the Balkan peoples" (sic). What we're witnessing today in the region, are the "remnants" of the Greek civil war & the communist attempt in the '40's to create a "Balkan Federation of Socialist Peoples" (The Bled Protocols, 10th session of the Bulgarian Communist Party, August 1946, the Tito-Dimitrov meeting).
BTW, the first "premier" of the new Socialist republic of "Macedonia" was Dimitar Vlahov, who had been an outspoken Bulgarian during the first decade of the 20th century, was an elected Bulgarian delegate to the Ottoman Parliament, became leader of the "IMRO-United" (known as VMRO or BMPO in Cyrillic) in 1925, and in 1946 declared himself an "original Macedonian" (sic).

Also if I may ask, who's the racist here, since our northern neighbours are the true, "ancient Macedonians", with clean blood stream, the Übermenschen of the region, while us poor Greeks are the Untermenschen, because-if you don't know it, please be aware that, we're of...sub-Saharan origin?

Original study of the University of Skopje for the Sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

And just to make it clear (to avoid misconception or misunderstanding):
Personally, I could never argue that ancient Greeks are the direct ancestors of today's Greeks in a biological sense; that the Greeks of 21st century, are directly descended from the ancient Greeks of 5th or 4th century BC, genetically. A blond pure-blooded Greek, existed only in the imagination of the Nazi party. I don't give a...you know what, if my ancestor was a Nordic German, or a Negroid Sub-Saharan. We're not defined as a nation from a pure blood stream, but from an unbroken cultural history and tradition (with biggest proof, the inhabitation of the same territory by Greek-speaking people for millenia). This concept of "Greekness" as a cultural identity and not a biological one, has been a common one since the 4th century BC, already expressed by Isocrates:
"The name Greek is no longer a mark of a race, but of an outlook, and is accorded to those who share our culture rather than our blood" (in Greek: "Καὶ τὸ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ὄνομα πεποίηκε μηκέτι τοῦ γένους ἀλλά τῆς διανοίας δοκεῖν εἶναι, καὶ μᾶλλον Ἕλληνας καλεῖσθαι τούς τῆς παιδεύσεως τῆς ἡμετέρας ἤ τοὺς τῆς κοινῆς φύσεως μετέχοντας").
(E.g. for Isocrates, Cyrillic is clearly a Greek, deep down inside he knows it, now he just has to admit it)
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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2013, 10:44:54 PM »

As for FYROM itself, it's just one more example of the sad trend of nationalism in post-communist lands.

Greece a post-communist land?
No, but FYROM is. The country was established as the "Autonomous Republic of Macedonia" by Tito in 1946, one of the 6 constituent republics of Socialist Yugoslavia. By creating a "Macedonian" ethnicity, language, and state, the Yugoslavian government had two objectives:
1) To remove any Bulgarian influence or aspiration for this region - because undoubtedly the Bulgarian presence in that area was quite strong and pro-Bulgarian tendencies were powerful, and
2) to unite Macedonia as a whole-that is, not only the Yugoslavian part of it, but also the Greek part and the Bulgarian part, a connecting link in establishing a "Socialist Federation of the Balkan peoples" (sic). What we're witnessing today in the region, are the "remnants" of the Greek civil war & the communist attempt in the '40's to create a "Balkan Federation of Socialist Peoples" (The Bled Protocols, 10th session of the Bulgarian Communist Party, August 1946, the Tito-Dimitrov meeting).
BTW, the first "premier" of the new Socialist republic of "Macedonia" was Dimitar Vlahov, who had been an outspoken Bulgarian during the first decade of the 20th century, was an elected Bulgarian delegate to the Ottoman Parliament, became leader of the "IMRO-United" (known as VMRO or BMPO in Cyrillic) in 1925, and in 1946 declared himself an "original Macedonian" (sic).

Also if I may ask, who's the racist here, since our northern neighbours are the true, "ancient Macedonians", with clean blood stream, the Übermenschen of the region, while us poor Greeks are the Untermenschen, because-if you don't know it, please be aware that, we're of...sub-Saharan origin?

Original study of the University of Skopje for the Sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

And just to make it clear (to avoid misconception or misunderstanding):
Personally, I could never argue that ancient Greeks are the direct ancestors of today's Greeks in a biological sense; that the Greeks of 21st century, are directly descended from the ancient Greeks of 5th or 4th century BC, genetically. A blond pure-blooded Greek, existed only in the imagination of the Nazi party. I don't give a...you know what, if my ancestor was a Nordic German, or a Negroid Sub-Saharan. We're not defined as a nation from a pure blood stream, but from an unbroken cultural history and tradition (with biggest proof, the inhabitation of the same territory by Greek-speaking people for millenia). This concept of "Greekness" as a cultural identity and not a biological one, has been a common one since the 4th century BC, already expressed by Isocrates:
"The name Greek is no longer a mark of a race, but of an outlook, and is accorded to those who share our culture rather than our blood" (in Greek: "Καὶ τὸ τῶν Ἑλλήνων ὄνομα πεποίηκε μηκέτι τοῦ γένους ἀλλά τῆς διανοίας δοκεῖν εἶναι, καὶ μᾶλλον Ἕλληνας καλεῖσθαι τούς τῆς παιδεύσεως τῆς ἡμετέρας ἤ τοὺς τῆς κοινῆς φύσεως μετέχοντας").
(E.g. for Isocrates, Cyrillic is clearly a Greek, deep down inside he knows it, now he just has to admit it)

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The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party has visited the island of Kefalonia and asked Mayor Alexandros Parisis to help them restore and preserve the statue of the late Greek dictator Ioannis Metaxas which had been dumped in the countryside...

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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2013, 05:24:20 AM »

What Golden Dawn wants is not the law of the land.

And Greece is still a fascist dictatorship

Please take your slander elsewhere, thanks.
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2013, 05:29:39 AM »

And Greece is still a fascist dictatorship

Countries that have prisoners of conscience shouldn't call other countries fascist dictatorships.
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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2013, 01:04:34 AM »

Greeks will always use the Slav card. Greece was not spared from this invasion and Greeks today are more Slav Albanian than anything else.




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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2013, 04:56:22 AM »

You do realise that the Slavs were partly expelled to Asia and that Greece was recolonised by Asian Greeks?
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