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Offline JamesR

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Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« on: July 18, 2013, 11:01:27 PM »
Long story short, but I have a short fuse, and I recently lost my temper and overturned my prayer corner, tore off my baptismal Cross and threw it at the bottom of my junk drawer, and probably worst of all, threw an Icon of Christ against the wall and spat on it. As if that's not enough, I don't really feel ashamed for it...

How grave of a sin did I commit?
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2013, 11:08:33 PM »
You ought to talk to your priest about that.  Given that you lost your temper, and assuming that was involuntary, that might mitigate things some.  On the other hand, some of the actions seem, to me anyway, to go beyond "I lost my temper", and if you don't feel any regret over those actions, that might be a more serious matter.  Just my two cents.
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 11:09:39 PM »
Not one that is unforgiveable... though the problem remains as long as you don't feel bad ("ashamed") about it. All is forgiven in repentance, from what I've experienced and read...
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2013, 11:15:18 PM »
Long story short, but I have a short fuse, and I recently lost my temper and overturned my prayer corner, tore off my baptismal Cross and threw it at the bottom of my junk drawer, and probably worst of all, threw an Icon of Christ against the wall and spat on it. As if that's not enough, I don't really feel ashamed for it...

How grave of a sin did I commit?
only as grave as you let it become.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth

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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2013, 11:53:03 PM »
I would say it is definitely something worth mentioning in confession.
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2013, 11:54:22 PM »
LOL this forum cracks me up. "Hey guys I spit on an icon of Christ." "Yeah mention that in confession maybe."

To answer James: It's extremely grave. Repent.
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2013, 11:58:03 PM »
None of the responses have been as wishy-washy as you seem to have interpreted them. 
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 11:59:26 PM »
LOL this forum cracks me up. "Hey guys I spit on an icon of Christ." "Yeah mention that in confession maybe."

To answer James: It's extremely grave. Repent.
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For the record, I said definitely, not maybe.  I'm sure his priest would have far more wisdom in working James through this than I ever would...
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 12:00:03 AM »
Well I cleaned up the mess and spent half an hour praying in repentance. I guess I'll tell this to my Priest next Confession.
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 12:00:32 AM »
Do you have a little bit of Asperger's Spectrum?

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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 12:01:11 AM »
LOL this forum cracks me up. "Hey guys I spit on an icon of Christ." "Yeah mention that in confession maybe."

To answer James: It's extremely grave. Repent.

People spit on other people every day, in principle if not in literal act. That's much worse than spitting on an icon, that's spitting on the image of God. Again I would say, all is forgiven in repentance...
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 12:05:49 AM »
Well I cleaned up the mess and spent half an hour praying in repentance. I guess I'll tell this to my Priest next Confession.
You certainly don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but what angered you to the extent that triggered such a result?
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 12:23:21 AM »
Well I cleaned up the mess and spent half an hour praying in repentance. I guess I'll tell this to my Priest next Confession.
You certainly don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but what angered you to the extent that triggered such a result?

Having a very bad day, to being tired and cranky from the 14 hour workday last night, to my mother being moody with me and giving me chores. On top of that, I've been dealing with depression for the past month (probably on-and-off for my entire life, without even knowing it) and questioning why God allows me to suffer and allows so much evil in the world. I guess I just snapped...
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 12:26:20 AM »
Well I cleaned up the mess and spent half an hour praying in repentance. I guess I'll tell this to my Priest next Confession.
You certainly don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but what angered you to the extent that triggered such a result?

Having a very bad day, to being tired and cranky from the 14 hour workday last night, to my mother being moody with me and giving me chores. On top of that, I've been dealing with depression for the past month (probably on-and-off for my entire life, without even knowing it) and questioning why God allows me to suffer and allows so much evil in the world. I guess I just snapped...
I can sympathize with much of that.  I have struggled with depression for much of my life as well.  There is nothing worse that that feeling of anxiety and despair and being unable to think of anything that would make you feel better.  With medication, I do much better, but it still isn't always easy.  I will be sure to offer up a prayer for you tonight.  It sounds like you could use a few extra.  :-\
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 01:23:05 AM »
LOL this forum cracks me up. "Hey guys I spit on an icon of Christ." "Yeah mention that in confession maybe."

To answer James: It's extremely grave. Repent.
I'd say not noticing a beggar say, is much worse yet nobody thinks it is. I mean if you don't recognize Christ in the beggar etc whats the use of kissing his icon?

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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2013, 01:32:32 AM »

That is true....but, spitting on Christ is also a grave sin.

Perhaps there are some underlying and unresolved issues that brought this about.

You could have just as easily shattered a lamp or ripped your clothes to shreds....but, you chose to take out your frustration on Christ and His saints.  You actually tore off your baptismal Cross.

To me, this seems more than a temporary loss of control....but, an unresolved situation simmering just below the surface.

However, remember James, all sins are forgivable, if the person repents.  Therein, lies the gravest of issues...the fact that you feel no remorse.  That needs more inspection on your part.

Praying you find peace of mind.
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2013, 01:43:05 AM »

That is true....but, spitting on Christ is also a grave sin.

Perhaps there are some underlying and unresolved issues that brought this about.

You could have just as easily shattered a lamp or ripped your clothes to shreds....but, you chose to take out your frustration on Christ and His saints.  You actually tore off your baptismal Cross.

To me, this seems more than a temporary loss of control....but, an unresolved situation simmering just below the surface.

However, remember James, all sins are forgivable, if the person repents.  Therein, lies the gravest of issues...the fact that you feel no remorse.  That needs more inspection on your part.

Praying you find peace of mind.


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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2013, 01:55:41 AM »

That is true....but, spitting on Christ is also a grave sin.

Perhaps there are some underlying and unresolved issues that brought this about.

You could have just as easily shattered a lamp or ripped your clothes to shreds....but, you chose to take out your frustration on Christ and His saints.  You actually tore off your baptismal Cross.

To me, this seems more than a temporary loss of control....but, an unresolved situation simmering just below the surface.

However, remember James, all sins are forgivable, if the person repents.  Therein, lies the gravest of issues...the fact that you feel no remorse.  That needs more inspection on your part.

Praying you find peace of mind.

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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2013, 07:59:37 AM »
I find the way you are framing this thread to be wrong in itself.

The idea of their being a "penalty" is very, well, Roman Catholic.  The real question should be "What is the result of doing this?" or "Why did this happen?"  

In that respect, ialmisry gave you a quietly profound response:

only as grave as you let it become.

Icons can be cleaned or mended.  God can forgive you.  He doesn't want to penalize you from on high.  If you keep seeing things from such a perspective, the cycle of anger, sin, penance, anger, sin, etc. will go on forever.  Perhaps there is some burden you find too heavy to bear which you think God is expecting you to carry?
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Re: Penalty for Destroying Holy Things?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2013, 08:21:01 AM »
Long story short, but I have a short fuse, and I recently lost my temper and overturned my prayer corner, tore off my baptismal Cross and threw it at the bottom of my junk drawer, and probably worst of all, threw an Icon of Christ against the wall and spat on it. As if that's not enough, I don't really feel ashamed for it...

How grave of a sin did I commit?

Signs of a strong man, but you are not yet me. :) If you ever confess say that you are not happy with God -- that's the actual "sin".