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Autocephaly problem: history and present
« on: July 17, 2013, 12:14:27 PM »
I found this lecture by Fr. John Erickson pretty interesting and wished to share it. He talks pretty openly about teaching on Autocephaly and a future Council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFhJGj1kh4&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Autocephaly problem: history and present
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 01:04:59 PM »
I found this lecture by Fr. John Erickson pretty interesting and wished to share it. He talks pretty openly about teaching on Autocephaly and a future Council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFhJGj1kh4&feature=youtu.be



I'll have to check that out!

Honestly, I think it should be a system that only Autocephalous Patriarchates can grant Autocephaly. But historically, from what I've seen, it is quite vague. Many have unilaterally declared autocephaly or autonomy, which leads to a schism, which is later repaired and autocephaly is granted anyway later. So for them it could be debated whether it came from the unilateral act, or the official recognition.

I know today that many Orthodox Churches, at least here in America, commune Macedonian Orthodox, recognizing that the schism is political and just having to do with autocephaly vs. autonomy.

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Re: Autocephaly problem: history and present
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 01:19:04 PM »
Awww, Erickson!  A wonderful man.  I look forward to watching this. 
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Re: Autocephaly problem: history and present
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »
Yes Fr. John is great!

This is actually the second time I've heard the notion that there was a period in the Church's history that Autocephaly was not granted just occurred and that it wasn't used as a means for hegemony.

Makes me think that with some of these 'pending' Churches that an EC should just pull an ecclesiastical-audit to see if they're working within the canons and then just grant a sweeping autocephaly for all of them so they can start working things out Eucharistically.

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Re: Autocephaly problem: history and present
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 01:29:40 PM »
I found this lecture by Fr. John Erickson pretty interesting and wished to share it. He talks pretty openly about teaching on Autocephaly and a future Council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFhJGj1kh4&feature=youtu.be



I'll have to check that out!

Honestly, I think it should be a system that only Autocephalous Patriarchates can grant Autocephaly. But historically, from what I've seen, it is quite vague. Many have unilaterally declared autocephaly or autonomy, which leads to a schism, which is later repaired and autocephaly is granted anyway later. So for them it could be debated whether it came from the unilateral act, or the official recognition.

I know today that many Orthodox Churches, at least here in America, commune Macedonian Orthodox, recognizing that the schism is political and just having to do with autocephaly vs. autonomy.

I know that most Macedonian Orthodox have been treated with the greatest of respect in NA. I also have knowledge that the MOC's mysteries are not in question.

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Re: Autocephaly problem: history and present
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 01:51:43 PM »
I found this lecture by Fr. John Erickson pretty interesting and wished to share it. He talks pretty openly about teaching on Autocephaly and a future Council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaFhJGj1kh4&feature=youtu.be



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