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Polish Census of 1931
« on: July 16, 2013, 07:09:08 PM »
I just thought this interesting:



Language                 Total            Roman Catholics Greek Catholics  Eastern Orthodox Evangelical(Luthern) Other Christian Jewish   Other
Polish                      21,993,000   20,333,000         487,000            497,000              219,000                   55,000            372,000 30,000
Ukrainian/Belarusian  6,278,000        107,000      2,845,000         3,239,000                  9,000                   73,000                1,000  4,000
Lithuanian                     83,000          83,000             -                      -                         -                            -                       -          -
Czech                           38,000            8,000             -                    22,000                 6,000                      1,000                 -          -
German                       741,000       118,000              -                                           599,000                     16,000               7,000    1,000
Yiddish                      2,732,000          -                     -                      -                        -                             -                2,731,000   1,000
Other                            50,000        20,000              4,000               4,000                 2,000                                              3,000  17,000
Total                      31,915,000  20,670,000       3,336,000         3,762,000              835,000                   145,000         3,114,000 53,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Poland

Odd, given the bond between the original Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Rus' that no Orthodox or GC Lithuanians are recorded, but almost half a million Poles each are (the numbers were actually higher-the 1931 is admitted to have counted down minorities of all sorts.  Which, of course is why the Second Polish Republic ended up like the First Polish Republic-in oblivion).

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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 06:49:41 PM »
Odd, given the bond between the original Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Rus' that no Orthodox or GC Lithuanians are recorded,

I thought you already knew that GDL and modern Lithuanians have nothing in common but name,.

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but almost half a million Poles each are (the numbers were actually higher-the 1931 is admitted to have counted down minorities of all sorts.

Yeah, a bit.
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2013, 11:47:42 AM »
Isa, you've outdone yourself with this!! ;D ;D
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 01:55:07 AM »
So in 1931 almost half a million Poles identified with Orthodoxy.

I wonder how many ethnic Poles today (not from Belarussian, Ukrainian or Ruthenian background) are Orthodox? Very few i imagine.
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 02:00:08 AM »
Odd, given the bond between the original Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Rus' that no Orthodox or GC Lithuanians are recorded,

I thought you already knew that GDL and modern Lithuanians have nothing in common but name

Not exactly: the rulers were, and spoke, Lithuanian until Alexander (the last ruler to have an Orthodox connection), and the Lithuanians did form the core of the state which expanded into the Rus' lands.
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 02:36:08 AM »
So in 1931 almost half a million Poles identified with Orthodoxy.

Half a milion of people put in the census as Poles. That's a difference.
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 12:34:54 PM »
So in 1931 almost half a million Poles identified with Orthodoxy.

Half a milion of people put in the census as Poles. That's a difference.

Quite right.   During the II Polish Republic, especially Post 1926, there was great pressure on national minorities to assimilate into Poles.  I am sure the 1931 census counting reflects this. 

Here's a question.   Does anyone know what happened to the raw data used for this census?   The house by house enumerations?   There must be a story of where it went.  Although most of the Austrian raw data was destroyed in a 1927 fire, some exists.   And some provinces in Ukraine still have the 1897 Russian census sheets for each house.  So is there any raw data from the 1931 Polish census?   

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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 12:57:42 PM »
I question if we can trust the date.  The minorities in the 1931s in Poland were prececuted so who knows how the census was taken.

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 01:07:36 PM »
I question if we can trust the date.  The minorities in the 1931s in Poland were prececuted so who knows how the census was taken.
We know that the numbers were fudged, in favor of the Vatican's Poles. What is surprising is despite that, the numbers of Orthodox, and Orthodox Poles, being that high officially.
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 01:31:58 PM »
What is surprising is despite that, the numbers of Orthodox, and Orthodox Poles, being that high officially.

What is suprising? Half of the teritory of the state was inhabited by Orthodox Belarusians or Ukrainians. They couldn't disappear into nowhere.

And the state starting polonisation of the Church is another story. I linked and interesting text written by my rector (himself a Polish convert BTW) here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,35794.0.html
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2013, 01:38:47 PM »
What is surprising is despite that, the numbers of Orthodox, and Orthodox Poles, being that high officially.

What is suprising? Half of the teritory of the state was inhabited by Orthodox Belarusians or Ukrainians. They couldn't disappear into nowhere.
Not that the Second Polish Republic didn't try
And the state starting polonisation of the Church is another story. I linked and interesting text written by my rector (himself a Polish convert BTW) here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,35794.0.html
The book "The Polish Revolution and the Catholic Church, 1788-1792: A Political History" By Richard Butterwick deals with the mad dash of the First Republic trying to get an autonomous/autocephalous Church of Poland.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TlQQdbfi_v0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Catholic+Church+and+the+Polish+Revolution&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CIofUqGZLqi52wWz94HABw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Catholic%20Church%20and%20the%20Polish%20Revolution&f=false
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Re: Polish Census of 1931
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2013, 01:40:36 PM »
Autocephaling was only one means to gain polonisation.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2013, 01:44:13 PM »
Autocephaling was only one means to gain polonisation.
Yes, if I am understanding the article you linked correctly, the government forced the Church to stick with Church Slavonic, because the services translated into Polish proved too popular with the Poles.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2013, 01:59:06 PM »
Autocephaling was only one means to gain polonisation.
Yes, if I am understanding the article you linked correctly, the government forced the Church to stick with Church Slavonic, because the services translated into Polish proved too popular with the Poles.

After trying to stick them to Polish beforehands.
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