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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2013, 02:31:31 PM »
Yawn! Great I Am? Perhaps your choice of pseudonym says much more about you than anything else.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2013, 02:33:46 PM »
What kind of mind wastes time on Internet forums insulting people who don't share their beliefs?

Obviously not Eleanor Roosevelt's kind of mind.  But perhaps that's because Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet. 

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2013, 02:51:38 PM »
Yawn! Great I Am? Perhaps your choice of pseudonym says much more about you than anything else.

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In that case, what about we all act like great minds and start discussing what orthodox christians actually believe?

Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?

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A benefit, because it enables us to commune with God.

Are we done now?

Why, is normal civil discourse that painful for you?
 
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Is that Moral?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2013, 02:52:59 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Aren't you posting for self-serving reasons?  ::)

And by the way, I thought Gnosticism was in favor of self-knowledge, so why would that be a bad thing? What kind of Gnostic are you, anyway?  :police:
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2013, 02:53:17 PM »
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I did correct you. You said something wrong about Orthodoxy and I told you what we believe. Now, you are replying with a new question, that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

And again you give a useless answer.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2013, 02:55:31 PM »
Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

God does not demand sacrifice, He gives Himself as sacrifice.

Where all thee head of the Trinity killed?
If not, then there was no sacrifice.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2013, 02:58:50 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Is that Moral?

According to your "Moral", devil-worship seems the thing to do, since it would be more altruistic. In the end, you lose for sure.


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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2013, 03:01:56 PM »
Hey Greatest I am,

Do you have a "Scripture" for your belief system?  I've read the Bible, the Quran, and various Hindu texts, and while the others are all interesting in their own way, I stick with the Bible.  But if you had a Scripture, I'd be willing to give it a chance.  I'd love to know what you and other "GreatestIamists" (may I call them that?) actually believe rather than all the things you think suck about what we believe.  There's gotta be more to it than 72 posts and some Youtube links.

I start with Jesus I know and go from there.

With him, I do not have to embrace human sacrifice and the immoral notion that I should profit from God having his son needlessly murdered nor do I have to try to profit from the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

You go ahead though. Satan likes that.

I use a moral method to get my soul to heave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2013, 03:04:27 PM »
I start with Jesus I know and go from there.

Tell me about this Jesus.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2013, 03:06:02 PM »
Did you have something to tell us?

That we need, want and worship a God who is both fully human (so He can understand us) and infinitely more than human at the same time. That's not a defect - it's just the way things are.

God is human. I agree. The real Gods have always been.

Why any human would kneel to an alien God is beyond me and that is why I ask----
 
Why do you worship the God you describe as alien?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2013, 03:10:31 PM »
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2013, 03:11:37 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Aren't you posting for self-serving reasons?  ::)

And by the way, I thought Gnosticism was in favor of self-knowledge, so why would that be a bad thing? What kind of Gnostic are you, anyway?  :police:

Are we not all here for self-serving reasons?

Yes Gnostics favor knowledge over blind faith and where did I say self-knowledge was a bad thing.
If you are going to distort or miss-represent then perhaps you should start to quote.

I call myself Gnostic Christian and esoteric ecumenist. A seeker to you.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2013, 03:13:37 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2013, 03:14:47 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Is that Moral?

According to your "Moral", devil-worship seems the thing to do, since it would be more altruistic. In the end, you lose for sure.



From this I take it that you recognize that what you do is not moral so you tried to deflect to my morals by stating something about a devil whereas I have never spoken of him.

Honest people will recognize what you did.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2013, 03:15:50 PM »
I start with Jesus I know and go from there.

Tell me about this Jesus.

Follow the link I gave.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2013, 03:16:11 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2013, 03:17:08 PM »
Okay, how long until the nasty little troll gets the ban hammer?

Why?

Are you starting to be ashamed of the intolerance shown by some of your members?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2013, 03:19:07 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Aren't you posting for self-serving reasons?  ::)

And by the way, I thought Gnosticism was in favor of self-knowledge, so why would that be a bad thing? What kind of Gnostic are you, anyway?  :police:

Are we not all here for self-serving reasons?

Yes Gnostics favor knowledge over blind faith and where did I say self-knowledge was a bad thing.
If you are going to distort or miss-represent then perhaps you should start to quote.

I call myself Gnostic Christian and esoteric ecumenist. A seeker to you.

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See, this is funny because:
1. you have not shown that you have any more knowledge and any less blind faith than anyone else
2. your self classification as a Christian is based on the "Jesus you know" who apparently no one else does.
3. Your dogmatic arrogance against traditional Christian belief means if you are an ecumenist, you suck at it
4. if you are a seeker, we haven't seen any seeking being done on your part.  Only boasting.

You are esoteric though.  The group of people who understand what you are talking about is confined to a single individual.
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2013, 03:19:17 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

I do not plan to re-write the dictionary and will go with Webster.

You can be as general as you like. I will follow I am sure.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2013, 03:19:57 PM »
Okay, how long until the nasty little troll gets the ban hammer?

Why?

Are you starting to be ashamed of the intolerance shown by some of your members?

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I get it. You feed him, he giggles.

You see a roach, you step on it.

He deserves nothing.
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2013, 03:21:15 PM »
From this I take it that you recognize that what you do is not moral so you tried to deflect to my morals by stating something about a devil whereas I have never spoken of him.

Honest people will recognize what you did.

This is too much mind-twisting for a poor non-gnostic like myself.

You did speak of Satan. I assumed he and the devil were one and the same to you as they are to us - is that an ignorant assumption?

I do not know anything about your morals.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2013, 03:22:08 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Aren't you posting for self-serving reasons?  ::)

And by the way, I thought Gnosticism was in favor of self-knowledge, so why would that be a bad thing? What kind of Gnostic are you, anyway?  :police:

Are we not all here for self-serving reasons?

Yes Gnostics favor knowledge over blind faith and where did I say self-knowledge was a bad thing.
If you are going to distort or miss-represent then perhaps you should start to quote.

I call myself Gnostic Christian and esoteric ecumenist. A seeker to you.

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See, this is funny because:
1. you have not shown that you have any more knowledge and any less blind faith than anyone else
2. your self classification as a Christian is based on the "Jesus you know" who apparently no one else does.
3. Your dogmatic arrogance against traditional Christian belief means if you are an ecumenist, you suck at it
4. if you are a seeker, we haven't seen any seeking being done on your part.  Only boasting.

You are esoteric though.  The group of people who understand what you are talking about is confined to a single individual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLG2jaVdUMo

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2013, 03:22:20 PM »
I use a moral method to get my soul to heave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

How does one get his soul to heave?  I know I can stick fingers down my throat or drink some syrup of ipecac if I want my stomach to heave, but I'm unfamiliar with how a soul does this.  

Anyway, I'm three minutes into your video, and already I think the guy is full of it.  And that's not just because he thinks the "Church is full of baloney" or due to the monkeyesque arm movements which I haven't seen any lecturer worth his salt do while teaching.  He takes one statement of Jesus ("By myself I can do nothing") as if that trumps everything else.  Well, even if you dismiss the Church, you can't dismiss the book from which you learned about that statement.  There are others therein which are inconvenient for Mr Donohue's interpretation of this word.  What a surprise, a selective reading based on one's own presuppositions:  

 

Like I said, your Scripture would be nice.  Youtube isn't enough.  

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2013, 03:25:43 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

I do not plan to re-write the dictionary and will go with Webster.

You can be as general as you like. I will follow I am sure.

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Well, my thoughts are that there really is no way to objectively say in either direction whether the desire to worship a God is a human "defect" or "benefit" because these are abstract, relative terms. There is no objective definition of "defect" or "benefit"--in fact, philosophers to this very day argue over what exactly the meaning is of these words.

And even if we DO happen to come up with a definition--for example, let's say that "benefit" is whatever brings us happiness and pleasure, and "defect" is whatever does not and/or prevents us from being happy or experiencing pleasure. How do we define happiness? It's anecdotal. Some people may very well be happy worshipping a God, whereas others may be repulsed by it. Not everyone is the same. Thus, I don't see how we could really definitively say whether worshipping a God is a benefit or defect, because all humans are different and may have different feelings and/or motives about their worship or lack of. I don't like umbrella statements; too right-winged. As you mature, you see that there are more shades of gray in this world than one would like to admit.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2013, 03:26:21 PM »
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Aren't you posting for self-serving reasons?  ::)

And by the way, I thought Gnosticism was in favor of self-knowledge, so why would that be a bad thing? What kind of Gnostic are you, anyway?  :police:

Are we not all here for self-serving reasons?

Yes Gnostics favor knowledge over blind faith and where did I say self-knowledge was a bad thing.
If you are going to distort or miss-represent then perhaps you should start to quote.

I call myself Gnostic Christian and esoteric ecumenist. A seeker to you.

Regards
DL
See, this is funny because:
1. you have not shown that you have any more knowledge and any less blind faith than anyone else
2. your self classification as a Christian is based on the "Jesus you know" who apparently no one else does.
3. Your dogmatic arrogance against traditional Christian belief means if you are an ecumenist, you suck at it
4. if you are a seeker, we haven't seen any seeking being done on your part.  Only boasting.

You are esoteric though.  The group of people who understand what you are talking about is confined to a single individual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLG2jaVdUMo

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Oh cool, we can trade country music youtube videos.  My favorite pastime!

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2013, 03:27:19 PM »
Yawn! Great I Am? Perhaps your choice of pseudonym says much more about you than anything else.

Yawn.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

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In that case, what about we all act like great minds and start discussing what orthodox christians actually believe?

Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?

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A benefit, because it enables us to commune with God.

Are we done now?

Why, is normal civil discourse that painful for you?
 
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Is that Moral?

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No, but it is painful to keep talking to a person who never listens.

Does one love his father because of self-serving reasons? Some might, but I believe that most does so, exactly because he is their father.

Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2013, 03:28:17 PM »

God is human. I agree. The real Gods have always been.

Why any human would kneel to an alien God is beyond me and that is why I ask----
 
Why do you worship the God you describe as alien?

"More than human" ≠ alien.

It is meet and right to worship our Creator.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2013, 03:35:35 PM »
I use a moral method to get my soul to heave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

How does one get his soul to heave?  I know I can stick fingers down my throat or drink some syrup of ipecac if I want my stomach to heave, but I'm unfamiliar with how a soul does this.  

Anyway, I'm three minutes into your video, and already I think the guy is full of it.  And that's not just because he thinks the "Church is full of baloney" or due to the monkeyesque arm movements which I haven't seen any lecturer worth his salt do while teaching.  He takes one statement of Jesus ("By myself I can do nothing") as if that trumps everything else.  Well, even if you dismiss the Church, you can't dismiss the book from which you learned about that statement.  There are others therein which are inconvenient for Mr Donohue's interpretation of this word.  What a surprise, a selective reading based on one's own presuppositions:  



Like I said, your Scripture would be nice.  Youtube isn't enough.  

You did not even get to the good part. It is a shame that your attention span is only 3 minutes.


Can you read scripture?

What does this one tell you.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

You asked how to get your soul to heaven.

Where do you think heaven is?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What do you think that last one is telling you?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2013, 03:39:35 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

I do not plan to re-write the dictionary and will go with Webster.

You can be as general as you like. I will follow I am sure.

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Well, my thoughts are that there really is no way to objectively say in either direction whether the desire to worship a God is a human "defect" or "benefit" because these are abstract, relative terms. There is no objective definition of "defect" or "benefit"--in fact, philosophers to this very day argue over what exactly the meaning is of these words.

And even if we DO happen to come up with a definition--for example, let's say that "benefit" is whatever brings us happiness and pleasure, and "defect" is whatever does not and/or prevents us from being happy or experiencing pleasure. How do we define happiness? It's anecdotal. Some people may very well be happy worshipping a God, whereas others may be repulsed by it. Not everyone is the same. Thus, I don't see how we could really definitively say whether worshipping a God is a benefit or defect, because all humans are different and may have different feelings and/or motives about their worship or lack of. I don't like umbrella statements; too right-winged. As you mature, you see that there are more shades of gray in this world than one would like to admit.

I am pleased that you have read the philosophers.

Some say that the end of a philosophical discussion ends with the definition of words and here you are at the beginning of one trying to define terms.

That usually indicate that we are so far apart in thinking that we would be wasting our time.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2013, 03:40:37 PM »
On Matthew 6:22-23(St. Gregory Thaumaturgus)

Matthew 6:22-23 “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. But it your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!”

The single eye is the love unfeigned; for when the body is enlightened by it, it sets forth through the medium of the outer members only things which are perfectly correspondent with the inner thoughts. But the evil eye is the pretended love, which is also called hypocrisy, by which the whole body of the man is made darkness. We have to consider that deeds meet only for darkness may be within the man, while through the outer members he may produce words that seem to be of the light: for there are those who are in reality wolves, though they may be covered with sheep's clothing. Such are they who wash only the outside of the cup and platter, and do not understand that, unless the inside of these things is cleansed, the outside itself cannot be made pure. Wherefore, in manifest confutation of such persons, the Saviour says: “If the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!” That is to say, if the love which seems to you to be light is really a work meet for darkness, by reason of some hypocrisy concealed in you, what must be your patent transgressions!

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2013, 03:42:16 PM »
Homily of St. John Chrysostom
John 14:23
“I and the Father will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.” All but saying, “As the Father reveals Himself, so also do I.” And not in this way only He removed the suspicion, but also by saying, “We will make Our abode with him,” a thing which does not belong to dreams. But observe, I pray you, the disciple confounded, and not daring to say plainly what he desired to say. For he said not, “Woe to us, that Thou diest, and will come to us as the dead come”; he spoke not thus; but, “How is it that You will show Yourself to us, and not unto the world?” Jesus then says, that “I accept you, because ye keep My commandments.” In order that they might not, when they should see Him afterwards, deem Him to be an apparition, therefore He says these things beforehand. And that they might not deem that He would appear to them so as I have said, He tells them also the reason, “Because ye keep My commandments”; He says that the Spirit also will appear in like manner. Now if after having companied with Him so long time, they cannot yet endure that Essence, or rather cannot even imagine It, what would have been their case had He appeared thus to them at the first? On this account also He ate with them, that the action might not seem to be an illusion. For if they thought this when they saw Him walking on the waters, although His wonted form was seen by them, and He was not far distant, what would they have imagined had they suddenly seen Him arisen whom they had seen taken and swathed? Wherefore He continually tells them that He will appear, and why He will appear, and how, that they may not suppose Him to be an apparition.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2013, 03:47:45 PM »


Why, is normal civil discourse that painful for you?
 
So you worship for self-serving reasons.

Is that Moral?

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No, but it is painful to keep talking to a person who never listens.

Does one love his father because of self-serving reasons? Some might, but I believe that most does so, exactly because he is their father.


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What does love of a father have to do with God?

And yes it is self-serving and natural for humans to love their parents.

It is not natural to love or adore what scriptures show to be a genocidal God who even had his son needlessly murdered.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2013, 03:49:15 PM »
Please stop catering to him. He doesn't care, he just wants to do his snotty little outbursts. That's all he is, a goad.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2013, 03:49:28 PM »
Where all thee head of the Trinity killed?
If not, then there was no sacrifice.

The Word of God who took flesh and sacrificed Himself on the Cross was the same Word of God that created man from the dust, endowed him with free will, and commanded him not to eat of the fruit.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2013, 03:50:26 PM »

God is human. I agree. The real Gods have always been.

Why any human would kneel to an alien God is beyond me and that is why I ask----
 
Why do you worship the God you describe as alien?

"More than human" ≠ alien.

It is meet and right to worship our Creator.

Meet?

Why is it right if it is self-serving?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2013, 03:51:32 PM »
It is not natural to love or adore what scriptures show to be a genocidal God who even had his son needlessly murdered.

Technically, since we believe the Son was also God, it would be suicide, not genocide.

Not that we believe either one. But you know, if you're going to insult people you don't know, you should strive for accuracy.  8)
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2013, 03:54:43 PM »
On Matthew 6:22-23(St. Gregory Thaumaturgus)

Matthew 6:22-23 “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. But it your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!”

The single eye is the love unfeigned; for when the body is enlightened by it, it sets forth through the medium of the outer members only things which are perfectly correspondent with the inner thoughts. But the evil eye is the pretended love, which is also called hypocrisy, by which the whole body of the man is made darkness. We have to consider that deeds meet only for darkness may be within the man, while through the outer members he may produce words that seem to be of the light: for there are those who are in reality wolves, though they may be covered with sheep's clothing. Such are they who wash only the outside of the cup and platter, and do not understand that, unless the inside of these things is cleansed, the outside itself cannot be made pure. Wherefore, in manifest confutation of such persons, the Saviour says: “If the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!” That is to say, if the love which seems to you to be light is really a work meet for darkness, by reason of some hypocrisy concealed in you, what must be your patent transgressions!



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What does that quote along with the others mean to you?

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2013, 03:56:56 PM »
How do we define "defect" and "benefit"? These are philosophical terms. To the empiricist, they don't exist. Science only tells you how things are. As to whether something is a "defect" or "benefit," that depends on who you ask. They are relative philosophical terms based off of the value and feelings we ascribe to certain realities of life.

I do not plan to re-write the dictionary and will go with Webster.

You can be as general as you like. I will follow I am sure.

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Well, my thoughts are that there really is no way to objectively say in either direction whether the desire to worship a God is a human "defect" or "benefit" because these are abstract, relative terms. There is no objective definition of "defect" or "benefit"--in fact, philosophers to this very day argue over what exactly the meaning is of these words.

And even if we DO happen to come up with a definition--for example, let's say that "benefit" is whatever brings us happiness and pleasure, and "defect" is whatever does not and/or prevents us from being happy or experiencing pleasure. How do we define happiness? It's anecdotal. Some people may very well be happy worshipping a God, whereas others may be repulsed by it. Not everyone is the same. Thus, I don't see how we could really definitively say whether worshipping a God is a benefit or defect, because all humans are different and may have different feelings and/or motives about their worship or lack of. I don't like umbrella statements; too right-winged. As you mature, you see that there are more shades of gray in this world than one would like to admit.

I am pleased that you have read the philosophers.

Some say that the end of a philosophical discussion ends with the definition of words and here you are at the beginning of one trying to define terms.

That usually indicate that we are so far apart in thinking that we would be wasting our time.

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BWAHAHAHA!!!

The one guy who actually decides to take him seriously and answer his question, he responds by saying that they are so far apart that it would be wasting time to continue the conversation.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2013, 03:58:32 PM »
Please stop catering to him. He doesn't care, he just wants to do his snotty little outbursts. That's all he is, a goad.

Watch a weather report, it'll be much more useful.

You are the only one doing snotty little outbursts my thought police friend.
Quite pathetic to see really.

Are you that afraid to look at what you believe even as scriptures tell you to test all things.

At least your mods know how to run a board.
 
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2013, 03:58:46 PM »
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What does love of a father have to do with God?

God is our father.

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It is not natural to love or adore what scriptures show to be a genocidal God who even had his son needlessly murdered.

Actually, it is. Science has shown us, that humans are born with a belief in the divine.
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2013, 03:59:02 PM »
On Matthew 6:22-23(St. Gregory Thaumaturgus)

Matthew 6:22-23 “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light. But it your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!”

The single eye is the love unfeigned; for when the body is enlightened by it, it sets forth through the medium of the outer members only things which are perfectly correspondent with the inner thoughts. But the evil eye is the pretended love, which is also called hypocrisy, by which the whole body of the man is made darkness. We have to consider that deeds meet only for darkness may be within the man, while through the outer members he may produce words that seem to be of the light: for there are those who are in reality wolves, though they may be covered with sheep's clothing. Such are they who wash only the outside of the cup and platter, and do not understand that, unless the inside of these things is cleansed, the outside itself cannot be made pure. Wherefore, in manifest confutation of such persons, the Saviour says: “If the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness!” That is to say, if the love which seems to you to be light is really a work meet for darkness, by reason of some hypocrisy concealed in you, what must be your patent transgressions!



Thanks for the paste job.

What does that quote along with the others mean to you?

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Oh, I'm sorry, my bad. I figured since all your explanations of your beliefs came through youtube videos, I would share something that, you know, could actually be read.
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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2013, 04:03:23 PM »
Is your need to adore a God a defect or benefit?

I don't have one.. so...  :)

Do you seek God or are you an atheist?
I am not an atheist but I get along with about 95% of them.

Do you recognize a spiritual side to your consciousness or being?

It was mostly a semantic thing. I don't have a need, but more like a want, and it is not to adore God, but simply to have a strong faith in him. As to whether that's a benefit or defect, I would generally say a benefit. But some days are worse than others  ;D

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2013, 04:04:34 PM »
Where all thee head of the Trinity killed?
If not, then there was no sacrifice.

The Word of God who took flesh and sacrificed Himself on the Cross was the same Word of God that created man from the dust, endowed him with free will, and commanded him not to eat of the fruit.

Ah yes. The one that murdered A & E by neglect and forcibly keeping them from what would keep them alive. The tree of life.

Christianity would have been brighter to stick with the original Jewish take of that myth.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

Christian can never explain what is wrong with mankind having their eyes opened and gaining God's moral sense.

They seem to prefer us in ignorant bliss and blind. Dumb as heel that.

I guess that is what happens to good myths when another religion plagiarizes them.

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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2013, 04:05:55 PM »
Did I really just spend 10 minutes reading this thread??  Why?


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Re: Is needing, or wanting to worshiping a God a human defect or benefit?
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2013, 04:06:28 PM »
It is not natural to love or adore what scriptures show to be a genocidal God who even had his son needlessly murdered.

Technically, since we believe the Son was also God, it would be suicide, not genocide.

Not that we believe either one. But you know, if you're going to insult people you don't know, you should strive for accuracy.  8)

Who did I insult?

How?

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