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« on: July 07, 2013, 08:35:06 AM »

[...]political correctness is a Christian heresy on steroids

Sorry, I don't see this. It's a political heresy to the libertarians, but it's not the amplified version of any old heresy.
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 11:40:49 AM »

Depends how you define it. Everyone does it differently.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 11:54:13 AM »

I love being politically incorrect in everything I say and do.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 12:10:20 PM »

I love being politically incorrect in everything I say and do.

Towards what end? Would you say something "politically incorrect" to someone you wanted to date? How about the girl at your parish you want/wanted to date? What politically incorrect things have you said to her?
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 12:54:59 PM »

I love being politically incorrect in everything I say and do.

Saying this is not to your credit.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »

Political correctness is a social construct, and largely appears Marxist in origin. I suspect that on occasion it may not differ too much from politeness and common courtesy. That anyone might rejoice in neither being polite or courteous and see that as a virtue strikes me as perverse. Rejoicing in offending others directly conflicts with the teaching of the Apostle Paul on love.

As such political correctness and Christian values, institutions or beliefs might at times conflict. After all political correctness is a thing very much of this world and Christianity and worldly wisdom have long clashed. But calling it a heresy might be going too far.

One of the problems I sometimes experience with supposedly liberal and progressively minded people is their intolerance and unwillingness to engage in an honest and open debate faced with views or values different than their own. The labelling and dismissing of others, without debate, is the common tactic. In turn I'd be reluctant to readily label another simply because her or his views were different from my own when dealing with secular matters.



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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 04:43:15 PM »

One of the problems I sometimes experience with supposedly liberal and progressively minded people is their intolerance and unwillingness to engage in an honest and open debate faced with views or values different than their own. The labelling and dismissing of others, without debate, is the common tactic. In turn I'd be reluctant to readily label another simply because her or his views were different from my own when dealing with secular matters.

I have the same issues, though with conservatives people from all backgrounds/ideologies.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 04:55:34 PM »

One of the problems I sometimes experience with supposedly liberal and progressively minded people is their intolerance and unwillingness to engage in an honest and open debate faced with views or values different than their own. The labelling and dismissing of others, without debate, is the common tactic. In turn I'd be reluctant to readily label another simply because her or his views were different from my own when dealing with secular matters.

I have the same issues, though with conservatives people from all backgrounds/ideologies.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 05:06:16 PM »

I love being politically incorrect in everything I say and do.

LOL. Your version of political incorrectness is very much of the "We need two Stalins! No, fifty Stalins!" variety.

(Link is to a blog post at Slate Star Codex explaining, among other things, the context of that reference.)

Okay, back up. Suppose you went back to Stalinist Russia and you said “You know, people just don’t respect Comrade Stalin enough. There isn’t enough Stalinism in this country! I say we need two Stalins! No, fifty Stalins!”
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2013, 05:19:36 PM »

The idea that we can't offend people offends me.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2013, 10:06:07 PM »

The idea that we can't offend people offends me.

Take it up with Paul.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2013, 10:29:32 PM »

Depends how you define it. Everyone does it differently.

It isn't often I find myself in total agreement with Michal, but this is one of those moments. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2013, 03:10:10 AM »

The idea that we can't offend people offends me.

Take it up with Paul.
St. Paul isn't a member of this forum and is therefore unavailable to defend his opinion. Is it okay, then, if we take up your interpretation of St. Paul with you?
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2013, 06:27:56 AM »

Depends how you define it. Everyone does it differently.

It isn't often I find myself in total agreement with Michal, but this is one of those moments. Grin

Me too.

When I was a teen in the early 1970's, the use of derogatory terms to describe groups or individuals was common in the USA. From the infamous "n" word, to calling Italians "dagos", Poles "pollacks" , treating women with disrespect in the workplace etc...all things no longer acceptable. That is positive change.

However, routinely calling opinions you disagree with "hateful" or twisting language to be so "inclusive" as to be meaningless, is absurd...but not "heresy."
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2013, 06:57:02 AM »

Depends how you define it. Everyone does it differently.

It isn't often I find myself in total agreement with Michal, but this is one of those moments. Grin

Me too.

When I was a teen in the early 1970's, the use of derogatory terms to describe groups or individuals was common in the USA. From the infamous "n" word, to calling Italians "dagos", Poles "pollacks" , treating women with disrespect in the workplace etc...all things no longer acceptable. That is positive change.

However, routinely calling opinions you disagree with "hateful" or twisting language to be so "inclusive" as to be meaningless, is absurd...but not "heresy."

I agree with that
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2013, 08:29:51 PM »

Political correctness is a social construct, and largely appears Marxist in origin. I suspect that on occasion it may not differ too much from politeness and common courtesy. That anyone might rejoice in neither being polite or courteous and see that as a virtue strikes me as perverse. Rejoicing in offending others directly conflicts with the teaching of the Apostle Paul on love.

I was writing sort of figuratively. It's the values of a Christian culture – politeness, common courtesy, helping the weak and oppressed (women, minorities) – distorted because they've been separated from Christian theology.

A Christian heresy on steroids because it's replaced the churches for many/most people. It grew out of the mainline and is replacing it.
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