I don´t there is no reason to argue about the husbands being the head of the family. I don´t think he meant submissive in the way seculars think of submissive. "Go and cook food and clear the dishes". Of course love is the first priority in the family, as always. The first woman was out of man to be a helper, not in material means, but in spiritual as well. There is a reason behind why a wife of a priest often does not work, because her career is to be a helper with love, spiritual guidance and care within the family. If yeshuaisiam meant submissive in a strict way, then of course that will have wrong implications on the orthodox teaching, but I don´t think he meant so. The way a man treats his mother is actually a good way to see how he will treat his wife. How long have you been here at OCnet, Jovan? Your defense of yeshuaisiam shows very little knowledge of his posting history on this forum.
I find more fault in the responses to what yeshuaisiam posts instead of what he actually states. We can play the “He isn’t Orthodox anymore” card all day, but far too many people here post non-Orthodox opinions which contradict the teachings of the Church everyday who are Orthodox to actually be able to employ that statement. I see no difference.
I also have observed far too often an overreaction to his posts from a variety of people. I find it comical how someone will feign a condition of being appalled at someone else’s opinion, pepper that person with all sorts of disparaging comments and then insist their opinion be heard and accepted. Yes, I know the standard response. “Like You?” Sure, like me, if that helps a person sleep at night, but if you pay close attention, which some apparently purposely do not, you will find my “outrageous” comments are usually the third step. First, a normal comment. Second, feigned outrage. Third, my response to which I am condemned for returning the very thing tossed at me.
A very odd way of debate is conducted here for certain, but I confess I have seen it dozens of times from a variety of people. It’s what I like to call, “debate outside the ability to defend a position” (rabbit hole chasing), or Ad hominem.
Since when did one person’s opinion, because its contemporary and allows them to do what they please, outweigh another’s? Look at LBK, works with icons all the time, has forgotten more than most of us will ever learn about them (this means LBK's knowledge far exceeds ours), but some folks still feel the need, in their arrogance, to debate basic things LBK professes as common knowledge among people in the know. Craziness, but hey, I’m not a liberal minded contemporary and a convert to boot, so I, apparently, know nothing. Or as Michael put it, my opinion is trash.
Soap box has been put away…