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« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2013, 03:45:07 PM »

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Maybe in a few decades, the only ones who will still disapprove will be that small minority of same-sex attracted individuals who believe the traditional or scriptural teachings and embrace celibacy for themselves.  
gay marriage, in the context of american and western european politics, it's  a petty bourgeois project. that doesn't make 'scriptural/traditional teaching" true or right but puts things into some perspective.
Yep. Nobody seemed to notice that DOMA was struck down via a case where a surviving partner wanted to avoid paying 365,000$ in estate taxes on a 4.1 million dollar estate (IIRC).

"Human rights issue".
Yeah well the lesbian couples I know aren't rolling in the money. They should have the right to the inheritance that woman took, and of course went through the court system that is time consuming and expensive.

Everybody is going to grow old and die, but also it being devastating and expensive for those that are close to them.
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« Reply #46 on: October 13, 2013, 09:21:58 PM »


Yeah well the lesbian couples I know aren't rolling in the money. They should have the right to the inheritance that woman took
That's my point.
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« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2013, 07:33:27 AM »

What does all this talk of gay marriage and death benefits have to do with Rob Bell?
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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2013, 08:55:25 AM »

What does all this talk of gay marriage and death benefits have to do with Rob Bell?

  To be pertinent to the topic, and get away from my personal digression, Rob Bell is pro-gay, though he soft-pedals this message often, trying to engage with evangelical Christians, not secular liberals, for the most part.  He's a liberal evangelical, though they prefer to call themselves "Emergents".  Some of the stuff fellow Emergent Brian McLaren writes about is only revolutionary to fellow evangelicals, to mainline Protestants it is nothing new, and at times McLaren and Bell come across as sophomoric, but their conservative evangelical counteparts are just plain anti-intellectual.   What is new is that Emergents are bringing a zeal that liberal Protestants do not have to their religious life- they aren't afraid of enthusiasm and have some distance from secularism that liberals have tended to make peace with.

   I do think there are similarities between Bell and Orthodoxy. However, there are alot of differences, too.  Many Emergents would not be warm to some of the Orthodox self-understanding, seeing it as a Constantinian narrative that distorts the message of Jesus, which they see in radical, almost Anabaptist terms, yet at the same time they are open to the spirituality of sacramental religion.
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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2013, 03:05:13 PM »

What does all this talk of gay marriage and death benefits have to do with Rob Bell?

  To be pertinent to the topic, and get away from my personal digression, Rob Bell is pro-gay, though he soft-pedals this message often, trying to engage with evangelical Christians, not secular liberals, for the most part.  He's a liberal evangelical, though they prefer to call themselves "Emergents".  Some of the stuff fellow Emergent Brian McLaren writes about is only revolutionary to fellow evangelicals, to mainline Protestants it is nothing new, and at times McLaren and Bell come across as sophomoric, but their conservative evangelical counteparts are just plain anti-intellectual.   What is new is that Emergents are bringing a zeal that liberal Protestants do not have to their religious life- they aren't afraid of enthusiasm and have some distance from secularism that liberals have tended to make peace with.

   I do think there are similarities between Bell and Orthodoxy. However, there are alot of differences, too.  Many Emergents would not be warm to some of the Orthodox self-understanding, seeing it as a Constantinian narrative that distorts the message of Jesus, which they see in radical, almost Anabaptist terms, yet at the same time they are open to the spirituality of sacramental religion.

Meaning what?  And "open" how?
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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2013, 08:01:26 PM »

  I do think there are similarities between Bell and Orthodoxy. However, there are alot of differences, too.  Many Emergents would not be warm to some of the Orthodox self-understanding, seeing it as a Constantinian narrative that distorts the message of Jesus, which they see in radical, almost Anabaptist terms, yet at the same time they are open to the spirituality of sacramental religion.

Meaning what?  And "open" how?
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  Read some Rob Bell or Brian McLaren and find out?

  I think McLaren in particular has a higher view of the Church and is interested in spiritual disciplines that some of the sacramental church types might view as sacramental in nature.  But he wouldn't be cool with the idea of a divinely appointed hierarchy that has exclusive access to God.   In some ways, alot of the Emergent emphasis is old hat for anybody that is familiar with Vatican II-era theology in Catholic and mainline Protestant churches, but for Emergents, alot of this stuff is new, because evangelicals have their own sort of clericalism and retrograde theology to work with.
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« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2013, 08:10:00 PM »


narrative
Is anything not a narrative?
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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2013, 05:22:28 PM »

Rob Bell, as interviewed by Oprah.
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« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2013, 12:52:12 AM »


"Historic Christianity"- like what would that be?  Blessing the enslavement of natives, beating wives with sticks if they displease you?  Historic Christianity has endorsed some morally dubious practices.  I think I'll take my chances without those irrational appeals to authority and tradition.   I have a conscience, after all.

Historical Christianity as in the Church that Jesus Christ Himself founded, and which is His very Body. You'll take your chances without irrational appeals to authority and tradition? Well, in that case, your going against Scripture itself (2 Thess 2:15, 2 Thess 3:6).
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