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If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?

Would we have Russian and Greek churches both claiming jurisdiction? After all, it would be churches made by immigrants, and if they are Russians they would want to be under the Russian church! but then Americans would be there too, and say it is under the patriarchate of Constantinople!

and then Jerusalem would claim one of the Antioch's asteroids as being theirs!
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 03:19:47 PM »
Which Jurisdiction actually is located in a space-faring nation?  (Hint they were the first ones in space...)
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 03:22:13 PM »
Which Jurisdiction actually is located in a space-faring nation?  (Hint they were the first ones in space...)

The Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church?
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 03:22:20 PM »
Then the Russians will give one of their asteroids to America but the Greeks will become greedy and jealous and so they'll claim it for themselves last minute and then the Antiochians and other jurisdictions will all place their flag on that little asteroid as well and the American asteroid will have to keep suffering this confusion for ages because the Greeks don't like the Russians.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 04:29:47 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 05:54:04 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 06:03:01 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.

Haven't there already been Orthodox in space stations? I wonder if any of them were practicing and took any devotional items with them to use.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 06:04:08 PM »
As usual, wiki knows all...
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 09:44:55 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

There are other churches in America besides the OCA. Besides, we don't need to bring the "slavic hegemony" to the moon as well. I'm sick of it here.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 09:52:30 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

There are other churches in America besides the OCA. Besides, we don't need to bring the "slavic hegemony" to the moon as well. I'm sick of it here.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 10:53:18 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.

Haven't there already been Orthodox in space stations? I wonder if any of them were practicing and took any devotional items with them to use.

Yes. Our parish has a mounted print of an icon of St. Michael, the original of which was commissioned on our centennial in 2004, which flew on one of the NASA space shuttle missions to the ISS. A NASA physician from our parish was the on ground medical officer for the mission and he arranged for the transport. The print had very specific weight for the paper requirements.

I'm sure the Russians have done similar things. 

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 11:00:08 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

There are other churches in America besides the OCA. Besides, we don't need to bring the "slavic hegemony" to the moon as well. I'm sick of it here.

You're just jealous.  :P
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 11:07:25 PM »
Russia would claim Pluto, since they both have long winters.  :)

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 09:30:37 AM »
Uranus?

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 10:14:33 AM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

There are other churches in America besides the OCA. Besides, we don't need to bring the "slavic hegemony" to the moon as well. I'm sick of it here.

You're just jealous.  :P

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2013, 10:20:49 AM »
There is no such a thing as holly bullies. Not for "holy imperialism", not for the sake of unionist ecumenism.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2013, 10:23:04 AM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

There are other churches in America besides the OCA. Besides, we don't need to bring the "slavic hegemony" to the moon as well. I'm sick of it here.

You're just jealous.  :P

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2013, 10:25:11 AM »
Saturnalian Orthodox Church.  Kinda sounds like a cult to me.  Maybe we shouldn't have named the planets after Roman gods...
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2013, 10:40:48 AM »
No, I just don't care for Slavic Orthodoxy.

You do know it was a joke, right?  :P
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM »
No, I just don't care for Slavic Orthodoxy.

You do know it was a joke, right?  :P

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2013, 10:47:48 AM »
Saturnalian Orthodox Church.  Kinda sounds like a cult to me.  Maybe we shouldn't have named the planets after Roman gods...

Earth and Uranus are NOT Roman.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 11:20:10 AM »
I've nothing against a Slavic Orthodox hegemony in space…or at least in parts of space. My chiefest concern is when the Orthodox population of Martian colonies becomes large and stable enough are we going to see another calendar controversy because our liturgical calendar is only roughly half as long as the Martian year (686.98 earth days or 668.59 martian days). Will the liturgical year be stretched to fill the Martian year and we skip every other earth Pascha…or will we impose the particulars of a antiquated 1st century calendar on the faithful of a whole new world? Will we use earth days or martian days to track liturgical time…otherwise, even if we keep the framework of the Julian…or the New Julian calendar, they will still rapidly fall out of sync because day length is slightly different (martian day 24 hours 39 minutes). Will we see a new threat of schism over the calendar (True old old calendrists/Earth Julian with earth days; Old old Calendrists/Earth Julian with martian days; True Old New Calendrist/ New Calendar with earth days; Old New Calendrist/New Calendar with martian days; New Old Day Calendrists/Martian year extended but using earth days; and New New Day Calendrists/Martian year extended and martian day).  It will take the calling of the first pan Orthodox Space Council to settle the issue…if the new Robot Overlords do not interfere..
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 11:23:03 AM »
Saturnalian Orthodox Church.  Kinda sounds like a cult to me.  Maybe we shouldn't have named the planets after Roman gods...

Earth and Uranus are NOT Roman.
Thank you for that tidbit of information.  I suppose I should have said:  Maybe we shouldn't have named the planets after Roman gods except for Uranus which was Greek and Earth which is a derivation of the proto-germanic word erthō.

Kind of kills the punchline though...
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 11:25:24 AM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 11:28:59 AM »
No, I just don't care for Slavic Orthodoxy.

Heretic!
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 11:48:29 AM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
Good thing we solved the ones we have, so we have the free time to solve the ones we make up.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2013, 11:57:55 AM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
Good thing we solved the ones we have, so we have the free time to solve the ones we make up.

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You do know this is all satire, right?
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2013, 12:16:33 PM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2013, 12:39:26 PM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
Good thing we solved the ones we have, so we have the free time to solve the ones we make up.

I hate Scholasticism.
You do know this is all satire, right?
Scholasticism?
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2013, 12:46:10 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.
Icons travel quite fine in space.

veneration is easy too.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2013, 12:52:10 PM »
If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?
The lunatic church.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2013, 12:52:18 PM »
St. Martin of Braga one of the Iberic Fathers of the Church, and a Portuguese Orthodox saint managed to change the name of week days from Pagan names to Christian names in a local council. Don't remember if Braga I or II.

, and that's why Portuguese is the only Romance language paganless in its week days names.

He also tried to change the name of the planets but that didn't work out so well.

Maybe we should rescue his efforts and in the space era of the Church rename the planets.

Saturnalian Orthodox Church.  Kinda sounds like a cult to me.  Maybe we shouldn't have named the planets after Roman gods...
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2013, 01:11:21 PM »
If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?
The lunatic church.

At least we know it's definitely an Orthodox jurisdiction. 
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2013, 01:19:00 PM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(
Good thing we solved the ones we have, so we have the free time to solve the ones we make up.

I hate Scholasticism.
You do know this is all satire, right?
Scholasticism?
No, this whole thread. We aren't seriously pondering these issues.  (at least I'm not...)
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2013, 01:19:45 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

And the OCA would probably send Metropolitan Jonah there.   ;)
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
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If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?
The lunatic church.

At least we know it's definitely an Orthodox jurisdiction. 
LOL, classic!  :D
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
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Mars One will establish a permanent human settlement on Mars. We invite you to participate by sharing our vision with your friends, and, perhaps, by becoming the next Mars astronaut yourself.
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Per the nature of the project, they should send monks.

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Mars One is not the first organization to ponder the idea of a manned mission to Mars. There have been many plans to do just this. And yet, none have come to fruition. Why should Mars One succeed?

There are several reasons, as described in some detail, below:

•Emigration – The Mars One astronauts will depart Earth assuming that they will never return. This radically changes the mission requirements, reducing the need for return vehicles associated with currently unavailable technologies and far greater costs.
•Solar panels – Through the use of this simple, robust, and plentiful energy source, Mars One does not require the development and launch of a nuclear reactor, thereby saving time and money while avoiding the risks and concerns for use of a nuclear power source.
•Simple rovers – Through the use of relatively simple rovers, designed to conduct basic settlement construction prior to human astronaut arrival, saving both time and cost.
•No new developments – The entire plan revolves around the use of existing, validated technology
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The flight will take between seven to eight months (depending upon the relative positions of the Earth and Mars). The astronauts will spend those seven months together in a very small space—much smaller than the home base at the settlement on Mars—devoid of luxury or frills. This will not be easy. Showering with water will not be an option. Instead the astronauts make do with wet towelettes (wet wipes) as used by astronauts on the International Space Station.

Freeze dried and canned food is the only option. There will be constant noise from the ventilators, computer and life support systems, and a regimented routine of 3 hours daily exercise in order to maintain muscle mass. If the astronauts are hit by a solar storm, they must take refuge in the even smaller, sheltered area of the rocket which provides the best protection, for up to several days.

The journey will be arduous, pressing each of them to the very limits of their training and personal capacity. But the astronauts will endure because this will be the flight carrying them to their dream.

Life on Mars
Once they arrive on Mars, the astronauts will begin making use of their relatively spacious living units; over 50 m2 per person, and a total of more than 200 m2 combined interior space.

Within the settlement are inflatable components which contain bedrooms, working areas, a living room and a 'plant production unit', where they will grow greenery. They will also be able to shower as normal, prepare fresh food (that they themselves grew and harvested) in the kitchen, wear regular clothes, and, in essence, lead typical day-to-day lives.

If the astronauts leave the settlement, they have to wear a Mars Suit. However, all living spaces are connected by passageways, in order for the astronauts to move freely from one end of the settlement to the other. As the rovers have done much of the heavy construction prior to their arrival, it will not take the astronauts a long time to find routine in their new life, moving into carrying out valuable construction works and research.

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2013, 01:32:32 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

And the OCA would probably send Metropolitan Jonah there.   ;)


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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2013, 01:42:18 PM »
Russia may have been the first in space, but they were not the first to land anywhere.  Since the American flag, planted by our astronauts, flies on the Moon, I think the Mother Church of space is the OCA. 

And the OCA would probably send Metropolitan Jonah there.   ;)


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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2013, 01:59:00 PM »
If an Orthodox bishop had his See on the Moon, would he be guilty for the Moon's role in regulating the tides?  Would it be considered an uncanonical activity on the canonical territory of other jurisdictions? 
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2013, 02:00:18 PM »
Dear all,

A monk on Mt. Athos is a ham radio operator who has already been sharing the faith in space.  Here's his story.  There's some pictures too if you follow this link:
http://www.qrz.com/db/SV2ASP

 "One of the most unforgettable encounters I have ever had though was with Russian cosmonaut Valery Korzun, with whom I used to have daily QSOs and digital photograph exchanges during his 6-month mission on the ISS in 2002. During his visit to my monastery, I showed him my radio shack, from where I used to talk to him. I also showed him the chandelier where every night I used to lighten a candle for him and his crew to our miraculous icon of the Mother of God ‘Quick to Hearken’. It was a very moving encounter indeed – one beyond words and imagination." - Monk Apollo

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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2013, 02:00:52 PM »
If an Orthodox bishop had his See on the Moon, would he be guilty for the Moon's role in regulating the tides?  Would it be considered an uncanonical activity on the canonical territory of other jurisdictions? 

...and the rabbit hole goes deeper still.
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2013, 02:03:32 PM »
If a Vulcan does a mind meld on me so that I forget the teachings of the Church, does God hold me responsible for this? How would one go about confessing such a sin?
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2013, 02:36:04 PM »
When we start traveling at the speed of light and time begins to warp, how do we keep to the proper calendar? 

Problems, problems, problems.  :(

That's why you create a static time-warp bubble around your vessel to prevent that.  Don't you watch Star Trek?  Sheesh!
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2013, 02:37:40 PM »
If a Vulcan does a mind meld on me so that I forget the teachings of the Church, does God hold me responsible for this? How would one go about confessing such a sin?

Oh, come on. If a Vulcan met you he'd probably do the "Vulcan Death Grip" on you (cf. "Enterprise Incident" Season 3)
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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2013, 02:46:54 PM »
That's why you create a static time-warp bubble around your vessel to prevent that.  Don't you watch Star Trek?  Sheesh!

You gotta be careful monkeying with that stuff though. Can be dangerous.

Also, this thread needs more ST, therefore I will link to the best beginning of a Star Trek episode ever. First time I saw that my mind was blown.
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If a Vulcan does a mind meld on me so that I forget the teachings of the Church, does God hold me responsible for this? How would one go about confessing such a sin?

Oh, come on. If a Vulcan met you he'd probably do the "Vulcan Death Grip" on you (cf. "Enterprise Incident" Season 3)

I have always been very kind to the Vulcans I come in contact with. Sure we have the occasional disagreement in which I am subjected to a mind meld, but we have a strict rule against death grips.  They make intergalatic friendships a bit too tense.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2013, 08:30:48 PM »
I was disconnected yesterday when replying to another topic about the possibility of Intelligent alien life in the universe. They were arguing against the possibility of other intelligent life because of there being no mention of them in the Bible.

The issue is no different than what most people believed, that we were the center of the Universe, or that everything revolved around us.
Also there was no knowledge of Dinosaurs or much of the life that exists today.

The Bible is not a scientific roadmap of our universe, nor does it need be.We always stumble when we insist we know things about our world which are not what the Bible is about. Galileo, who is a prime example of the churches mishandling of scripture, once said "the Bible is about how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go".

There is a formula for figuring the odds of intelligent Life in our galaxy which has the ability like us to communicate at some point in the future .

The Drake equation is:

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
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R* = the average number of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[8]

This is used by the SETI institute in their search for intelligent Life near us in our own galaxy. The problem in doing this is that even the nearest star, Alpha Centauri is 4.5 light years away, so radio waves which travel at the speed of light would take 4.5 years one way. Of course this is possible, but unlikely that their is life that close or we would have heard something. Our own planet has been transmitting only for about 75 years, as all radio or TV broadcasts that are sent  automatically move away from earth at the speed of light. So that means any planet within 75 light years could hear us, but it would take another 75 if they tried to contact us back.

But the real issue in this is that our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100 thousand light years wide, so if we wanted to talk with someone on the other side of our galaxy it would take 100 thousand years each way. And most of the stars we see in our galaxy are 100s of light years away. So this is worse than finding a needle in a haystack .

But when you want to say that we are the only Life, Intelligent or otherwise in the universe, the incredible size is what makes that unlikely.

 There are Billions of stars in our galaxy. A person cannot even ever count to one billion even if that is all you did all your life, so the numbers are staggering. Then we must accept that there are Billions of other galaxies, all of which are huge , some much larger than ours. And so the odds of Intelligent life in our galaxy let alone billion of others is very likely, if not absolute.

God loves us all, and he is in charge of this Universe, possibly other Universes as well, but we should humbe ourselves, and not act as if we are his only creations.
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2013, 08:32:49 PM »
I was disconnected yesterday when replying to another topic about the possibility of Intelligent alien life in the universe. They were arguing against the possibility of other intelligent life because of there being no mention of them in the Bible.

The issue is no different than what most people believed, that we were the center of the Universe, or that everything revolved around us.
Also there was no knowledge of Dinosaurs or much of the life that exists today.

The Bible is not a scientific roadmap of our universe, nor does it need be.We always stumble when we insist we know things about our world which are not what the Bible is about. Galileo, who is a prime example of the churches mishandling of scripture, once said "the Bible is about how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go".

There is a formula for figuring the odds of intelligent Life in our galaxy which has the ability like us to communicate at some point in the future .

The Drake equation is:

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
and
R* = the average number of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[8]

This is used by the SETI institute in their search for intelligent Life near us in our own galaxy. The problem in doing this is that even the nearest star, Alpha Centauri is 4.5 light years away, so radio waves which travel at the speed of light would take 4.5 years one way. Of course this is possible, but unlikely that their is life that close or we would have heard something. Our own planet has been transmitting only for about 75 years, as all radio or TV broadcasts that are sent  automatically move away from earth at the speed of light. So that means any planet within 75 light years could hear us, but it would take another 75 if they tried to contact us back.

But the real issue in this is that our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100 thousand light years wide, so if we wanted to talk with someone on the other side of our galaxy it would take 100 thousand years each way. And most of the stars we see in our galaxy are 100s of light years away. So this is worse than finding a needle in a haystack .

But when you want to say that we are the only Life, Intelligent or otherwise in the universe, the incredible size is what makes that unlikely.

 There are Billions of stars in our galaxy. A person cannot even ever count to one billion even if that is all you did all your life, so the numbers are staggering. Then we must accept that there are Billions of other galaxies, all of which are huge , some much larger than ours. And so the odds of Intelligent life in our galaxy let alone billion of others is very likely, if not absolute.

God loves us all, and he is in charge of this Universe, possibly other Universes as well, but we should humbe ourselves, and not act as if we are his only creations.

But what if the dinosaurs were really aliens and they are coming back to wreck vengeance on us for messing up their planet?  *mind blown*
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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2013, 08:50:39 PM »
We don't have a prayer? ;)
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« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2013, 10:43:46 PM »
Well I guess it would be hard to have burning incense, candles, and other things in space.

Frankly speaking, I think mankind is going to do himself in, or the world will end before we become that technologically advanced.
Icons travel quite fine in space.

veneration is easy too.
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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2013, 12:29:29 AM »
If we made a lunar colony and made a church, who would have legitimate jurisdiction?

Would we have Russian and Greek churches both claiming jurisdiction? After all, it would be churches made by immigrants, and if they are Russians they would want to be under the Russian church! but then Americans would be there too, and say it is under the patriarchate of Constantinople!

and then Jerusalem would claim one of the Antioch's asteroids as being theirs!

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Re: What jurisdiction would the other planets/moons/asteroids be under?
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2013, 12:31:47 AM »
Would services be longer, given different lengths of 'daytime' off Earth?
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« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2013, 12:40:40 AM »
To avoid the appearance of scandal, right-believing travelers by the stars ought to refer to the first four planets by the corresponding names:

St. John the Baptist (Mercury in pagan/papist terminology)
St. Mary Magdalene (Venus in pagan/papist terminology)
Yis, followed by a zealous defense of the Etos Kosmou (Earth in pagan/papist/secularist terminology)
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« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2013, 12:45:48 AM »
Would services be longer, given different lengths of 'daytime' off Earth?
Good question.  The day on Jupiter is about 5 hours, so a Russian Liturgy would last about a day.  ;)

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If a Vulcan visited the United States, would (s)he owe taxes if (s)he stayed more than a year?

More accurately we would owe them taxes for signing us up to the Federation of Planets.
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What if our first contact experience was with the Klingons?  :o
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What if our first contact experience was with the Klingons?  :o

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Or Georgian.

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And so it begins...


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