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« on: June 27, 2013, 12:09:51 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 12:12:20 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 12:15:47 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2013, 12:17:13 AM »

You have a gift, Maria.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2013, 12:20:04 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 12:27:45 AM »

You have a gift, Maria.

Yes, I know. You just lost your appetite or spit out your coffee on your keyboard.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 12:29:35 AM »

I refuse to eat any store-bought food with less than 10 spider legs bits per ounce in it. Fresh fruit/veggies are going to have even more extras, obviously.  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 12:30:54 AM »

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 12:32:56 AM »

I refuse to eat any store-bought food with less than 10 spider legs bits per ounce in it. Fresh fruit/veggies are going to have even more extras, obviously.  Wink

In a prior thread, I mentioned the cockroaches that were served in the hash brown potatoes.
They imparted a very special taste and aroma to those potatoes.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 12:33:08 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 12:34:45 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 12:42:17 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 12:48:38 AM »

I just ignore it and chalk it up to a better immune system for me and continue doing what I did before.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 01:19:44 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
Wasn't it washing the hands?  Besides, assuming we are thinking of the same stories, Pharisees (now known as Talmudists) to this day teach that it is a commandment to wash the hands.  The prayers for the ritual washing of hands ends with "Commanding us to wash our hands." Naturally, there is no commandment in the Torah to wash your hands before you eat.
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 01:25:19 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
Wasn't it washing the hands?  Besides, assuming we are thinking of the same stories, Pharisees (now known as Talmudists) to this day teach that it is a commandment to wash the hands.  The prayers for the ritual washing of hands ends with "Commanding us to wash our hands." Naturally, there is no commandment in the Torah to wash your hands before you eat.

I'm referring to Matthew 23:25-26.
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2013, 01:26:25 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
Wasn't it washing the hands?  Besides, assuming we are thinking of the same stories, Pharisees (now known as Talmudists) to this day teach that it is a commandment to wash the hands.  The prayers for the ritual washing of hands ends with "Commanding us to wash our hands." Naturally, there is no commandment in the Torah to wash your hands before you eat.
The above post was just me thinking aloud way past my bedtime.  

@SolEX01, how on God's Earth do you manage find it Christian to question any jurisdiction/Church/whatever derogatory term New Calendarists use to refer to us based on sanitation concerns of Her parishioners.
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2013, 01:28:15 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
Wasn't it washing the hands?  Besides, assuming we are thinking of the same stories, Pharisees (now known as Talmudists) to this day teach that it is a commandment to wash the hands.  The prayers for the ritual washing of hands ends with "Commanding us to wash our hands." Naturally, there is no commandment in the Torah to wash your hands before you eat.

I'm referring to Matthew 23:25-26.
Again, it's way passed my bedtime.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2013, 01:31:51 AM »

It's hard to clean the inside of a watermelon ... or an ice machine ... or the ice chest used in restaurants.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 01:35:49 AM »

It's hard to clean the inside of a watermelon ... or an ice machine ... or the ice chest used in restaurants.
Meh, I've already given up on fast food.  I suppose a little dirt in a watermelon is good for the immune system, but I don't think I want to try my luck at a restaurant ice machine.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2013, 01:37:23 AM »

Just another reason why I no longer eat out at restaurants.

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Lab tests show that ice from UK branches of McDonald’s, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks and other fast food restaurants contains more bacteria than the water found in the restaurants’ toilets.

Similarly, tests conducted in 2008 found that two-thirds of all restaurant lemon wedges were contaminated with 25 different types of disease-causing bacteria -- including fecal bacteria. ...

And, while the study was carried out in restaurants in the UK, the results can be expected to be about the same in the US as the issue relates not to the water itself, but rather the bacterial growth that can occur in the ice machine, and/or lack of hygiene on the part of the workers.

For the complete article, please visit: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/26/fast-food-ice.aspx?e_cid=20130626_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130626
This is hardly anything unknown.

Water is about the only thing that restaurants serve free of charge.

I wonder what their tea contains. Probably not that bad, but the cups?
Sure, they wash the cups in the dishwasher, but afterwards, they pick up those cups and silverware with soiled hands.
This is one of many reasons to not eat out at restaurants, you have the right idea.

One year, I ate brunch at the local Greek Orthodox Church with my friends. They have a great kitchen and a huge dining room and dance floor. On that day, they served us watermelon but in their haste, forgot to wash it. There were huge clods of dirt on the plate. I lost my appetite.

I never had to wash a watermelon before eating it.

That must be the Greek Orthodox practice, then.

Serve the food unwashed, bless said food, eat and enjoy.

Your church has Greek origins.  I guess they wash their food while the ungodly ecumenists don't.   Roll Eyes  What did Jesus say about Pharisees who wipe the dish?
Wasn't it washing the hands?  Besides, assuming we are thinking of the same stories, Pharisees (now known as Talmudists) to this day teach that it is a commandment to wash the hands.  The prayers for the ritual washing of hands ends with "Commanding us to wash our hands." Naturally, there is no commandment in the Torah to wash your hands before you eat.
The above post was just me thinking aloud way past my bedtime.  

@SolEX01, how on God's Earth do you manage find it Christian to question any jurisdiction/Church/whatever derogatory term New Calendarists use to refer to us based on sanitation concerns of Her parishioners.

Anything is fair game.  Your jurisdiction is also a "Greek Orthodox church."  Maria complained about the dirt on her plate from the watermelon at a Greek Orthodox church; hopefully, she doesn't have that problem in the GOC.
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2013, 01:44:53 AM »

It's hard to clean the inside of a watermelon ... or an ice machine ... or the ice chest used in restaurants.
Meh, I've already given up on fast food.  I suppose a little dirt in a watermelon is good for the immune system, but I don't think I want to try my luck at a restaurant ice machine.

A similar survey noted the presence of fecal matter in swimming pools.  People shouldn't become germophobic ... unless one has a compromised immune system and any exposure to foreign bacteria results in serious illness.  That doesn't apply to a majority of people.
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2013, 02:22:10 AM »

You guys should really give eating insects some consideration like most of the world. Crickets/grasshoppers taste great, and they are usually so fresh that there is no risk of them containing bad preservatives and/or hormones. Crickets taste good covered in dark chocolate Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2013, 03:26:50 AM »

I work in a resteraunt. Also I buy ice from the local burger king.

Our ice machine has to be refilled (of course). There is a large freezer full of ice which is made, and you scoop it up and put it in a bin and carry it and dump it into the pop machine. lots of ways bacteria can get in of course, but that is true anywhere.


anyway, i would not change any habits because of this. you have lived with it being this way since you were born, and you are just fine... knowing it happens does not change anything.


fecal matter bacteria is found everywhere though, from your tooth brush to your bedroom everywhere. dont worry about it...
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2013, 09:09:18 AM »

Ice machines don't get cleaned that often...this is what you get for $7 an hour.

If y'all wanna pay $10 for a big mac then go ahead.  You might get better standards.
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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2013, 09:24:24 AM »

Conclusive proof that Christ does not want us to be concerned with washing our hands before eating.  Anyone who says otherwise is a evil Judaizer.  Eat your dirt clumps with confidence, knowing that it is clean.  Grin

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20 These are the things that make a person unclean. But eating without washing one's hands doesn't make a person unclean."
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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2013, 09:50:27 AM »

I didn't read the OP, but this is clear from our my own privileged knowledge:

You are most likely to get sick at restaurants from the ice, ice tea, and uncooked vegetables.

Now to the subject line, the problem with it is that toilet water in most folks' places in America is rather clean, in fact is it "cleaner" than most other places in the home.

If you flush your toilet regularly, especially after every bowel movement and clean it occasionally, even the colonizing bacteria you get while unsavory looking are relatively benign.

In short, you can pretty much replace restaurant ice in the subject line with anything else and still be correct.

To the dangers of ice, iced tea, and uncooked vegetables, really you are only at risk if you are very young child, elderly, or somehow immunocompromised.

And, this goes against Maria's and marc's general take on food. If you want a safe food supply chain capable of supporting the behaviors of people living in America something exactly like Taco Bell and McDonald's is the answer.

You are highly unlikely to get sick at either one, especially since they've changed their method of ice tea delivery (not made on site) and ice delivery (as little cross contamination as possible with other surfaces).

Highly processed food is very safe food. Raw food isn't, relatively speaking.

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So, what about Taco Bell's slushy Pina Colada? 

It's soooo tasty, even if it does give me brain freeze if I'm not careful.
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It may be startling, but according to the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) of Maryland, we each house two to five pounds (1.0 to 2.26 kilograms) of live bacteria inside our bodies. These microorganisms come in good and bad varieties, or more to the point, can be helpful or harmful. While the vast amount of attention is given to the bad kinds because of their potential for creating illness, humans share a necessary symbiotic relationship with many types of helpful bacteria. Some are crucial to our very survival.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-much-bacteria-live-in-our-bodies.htm

And....that's not counting the ones living ON our bodies!!!


(Germophobia [aka mysophobia, bacteriophobia, bacillophobia] is frequently symptomatic of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.)
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It may be startling, but according to the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) of Maryland, we each house two to five pounds (1.0 to 2.26 kilograms) of live bacteria inside our bodies. These microorganisms come in good and bad varieties, or more to the point, can be helpful or harmful. While the vast amount of attention is given to the bad kinds because of their potential for creating illness, humans share a necessary symbiotic relationship with many types of helpful bacteria. Some are crucial to our very survival.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-much-bacteria-live-in-our-bodies.htm

And....that's not counting the ones living ON our bodies!!!


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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2013, 01:30:39 PM »

It's funny, I have never had such experiences at restaurants (except one, where they had clearly just taken the food out of the freezer and warmed it in a microwave)
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It may be startling, but according to the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) of Maryland, we each house two to five pounds (1.0 to 2.26 kilograms) of live bacteria inside our bodies. These microorganisms come in good and bad varieties, or more to the point, can be helpful or harmful. While the vast amount of attention is given to the bad kinds because of their potential for creating illness, humans share a necessary symbiotic relationship with many types of helpful bacteria. Some are crucial to our very survival.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-much-bacteria-live-in-our-bodies.htm

And....that's not counting the ones living ON our bodies!!!


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Thank you bacteria, for helping me digest my food!

We'd be dead without 'em.
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It may be startling, but according to the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) of Maryland, we each house two to five pounds (1.0 to 2.26 kilograms) of live bacteria inside our bodies. These microorganisms come in good and bad varieties, or more to the point, can be helpful or harmful. While the vast amount of attention is given to the bad kinds because of their potential for creating illness, humans share a necessary symbiotic relationship with many types of helpful bacteria. Some are crucial to our very survival.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-much-bacteria-live-in-our-bodies.htm

And....that's not counting the ones living ON our bodies!!!


(Germophobia [aka mysophobia, bacteriophobia, bacillophobia] is frequently symptomatic of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.)

Thank you bacteria, for helping me digest my food!

Word.

Over 90% of the genetic material that is you is bacterial. Or at least the is figure I am going with.
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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2013, 02:44:59 PM »

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It may be startling, but according to the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) of Maryland, we each house two to five pounds (1.0 to 2.26 kilograms) of live bacteria inside our bodies. These microorganisms come in good and bad varieties, or more to the point, can be helpful or harmful. While the vast amount of attention is given to the bad kinds because of their potential for creating illness, humans share a necessary symbiotic relationship with many types of helpful bacteria. Some are crucial to our very survival.
http://www.wisegeek.org/how-much-bacteria-live-in-our-bodies.htm

And....that's not counting the ones living ON our bodies!!!


(Germophobia [aka mysophobia, bacteriophobia, bacillophobia] is frequently symptomatic of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.)

Thank you bacteria, for helping me digest my food!

Exactly.

I eat yogurt daily, and it is teeming with friendly bacteria.
I also like sour kraut and olives which are also microbe friendly.

Oh, by the way, our cellular mitochondria, which scientists say resembles bacteria, is the cellular source of energy.  
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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2013, 04:14:32 PM »

You guys should really give eating insects some consideration like most of the world. Crickets/grasshoppers taste great, and they are usually so fresh that there is no risk of them containing bad preservatives and/or hormones. Crickets taste good covered in dark chocolate Cheesy
I heard somewhere that locusts tend to have some nasty parasites, but I doubt it considering that that was pretty much all St. John the Baptist ate in the wilderness.

One can only risk his life for honey in the wilderness so many times.
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2013, 07:32:28 PM »

The time Jesus fed the multitude , do you think their was proper facilities or food handlers?

I have a sanitation license and am aware of the dangers we face, however as a Christian I also have faith in Jesus,who said it is not what we put in our mouths, but what comes out that we should fear.Matt 15:11

It is no different when we go to a function at a church or a friend or relative, or even a wedding. I know we all have trouble at some point in our own homes or business that would be similar to the cases you point out. This issue really comes down to being humbly faithful when it would be inappropriate or difficult to be absolute, which is most of the time. It also can be an issue for communion or the bread we take after services. We are at odds with conventional wisdom there unless we change 2000 years of faith and do what Catholics have to modernize .

When we go to a church where they serve food, or to a friend or relative that has invited us, it would be rude and inappropriate to inspect their facilities, or to comment or even bring it up. Just as our priest once told my mother about eating whatever you are served even though you are fasting, it would be better to eat meat than insult the host because you are fasting.

It is good to be safe when possible, however as Christians we must also be humble servants, and most of the time that would make it hard to be absolutely sure of the dangers that are out there. This is part of our faith and what we must endure for though we hate our lives here , we know that we will have salvation in the Kingdom of God.
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2013, 11:47:13 PM »

I wash my hands a lot, use those hand purifier gels and wipe down my desk every so often with those clean-wipe things. There's only so much you can do.
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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2013, 12:26:19 AM »

I wash my hands a lot, use those hand purifier gels and wipe down my desk every so often with those clean-wipe things. There's only so much you can do.

Washing hands is good enough if you do it properly.

The sanitizer thing is really an abyss from which we need to turn away. I nearly screamed at two women at Kroger's the other day who blocking the entrance as they wiped down their shopping carts while blocking the entrance. This stuff has taken on fetishist dimensions.
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« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2013, 01:13:13 PM »

I wash my hands a lot, use those hand purifier gels and wipe down my desk every so often with those clean-wipe things. There's only so much you can do.

Washing hands is good enough if you do it properly.

The sanitizer thing is really an abyss from which we need to turn away. I nearly screamed at two women at Kroger's the other day who blocking the entrance as they wiped down their shopping carts while blocking the entrance. This stuff has taken on fetishist dimensions.

Must have been the same two women I saw at Costco blocking the entrance. Nuts.

I avoid those chemical sanitizers. The chemicals go right through the skin.
And now they are advertising adult baby wipes. Sheesh!
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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2013, 01:16:02 PM »

I wash my hands a lot, use those hand purifier gels and wipe down my desk every so often with those clean-wipe things. There's only so much you can do.

Washing hands is good enough if you do it properly.

The sanitizer thing is really an abyss from which we need to turn away. I nearly screamed at two women at Kroger's the other day who blocking the entrance as they wiped down their shopping carts while blocking the entrance. This stuff has taken on fetishist dimensions.

Must have been the same two women I saw at Costco blocking the entrance. Nuts.

I avoid those chemical sanitizers. The chemicals go right through the skin.
And now they are advertising adult baby wipes. Sheesh!

That's not really my concern. If we knew each other better, I would let you know, or maybe I wouldn't cause it is horrible news that is true, not based on hypotheticals.

EDIT: My computer is wacky today. And I wanted to mention I wouldn't want to upset you more.
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Is there some way we could convert a toilet into an ice maker then? Of course it would have to continue as a functional and active toilet, otherwise it would lose it's toiletness. This may just work...
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Is there some way we could convert a toilet into an ice maker then? Of course it would have to continue as a functional and active toilet, otherwise it would lose it's toiletness. This may just work...
So I made ice out of my toilet water yesterday.  Absolutely fantastic taste and quality. I think we have stumbled on to something great here.  Something about the water marinating in a porcelin bowl that brings out some of the finer qualities of the water perhaps.
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Is there some way we could convert a toilet into an ice maker then? Of course it would have to continue as a functional and active toilet, otherwise it would lose it's toiletness. This may just work...
So I made ice out of my toilet water yesterday.  Absolutely fantastic taste and quality. I think we have stumbled on to something great here.  Something about the water marinating in a porcelin bowl that brings out some of the finer qualities of the water perhaps.

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Many dogs, and not a few cats are toilet water connoisseurs.  I believe there is a cooling effect.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2013, 09:52:35 AM »

Many dogs, and not a few cats are toilet water connoisseurs.  I believe there is a cooling effect.

Water is well known for that property. 

Dogs are well-known for their propensity to eat their own (and others') feces and vomit.  Cats will happily clean their anuses with their tongues.  Perhaps this all adds to their willingness to consume toilet water, or perhaps even creates in them a kind of desire for it, given the scatological and urological properties it most likely contains.
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Many dogs, and not a few cats are toilet water connoisseurs.  I believe there is a cooling effect.

Water is well known for that property. 

Dogs are well-known for their propensity to eat their own (and others') feces and vomit.  Cats will happily clean their anuses with their tongues.  Perhaps this all adds to their willingness to consume toilet water, or perhaps even creates in them a kind of desire for it, given the scatological and urological properties it most likely contains.
This is far too much analysis for a Monday morning. lol
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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2013, 09:55:06 AM »

Many dogs, and not a few cats are toilet water connoisseurs.  I believe there is a cooling effect.

Water is well known for that property. 

Dogs are well-known for their propensity to eat their own (and others') feces and vomit.  Cats will happily clean their anuses with their tongues.  Perhaps this all adds to their willingness to consume toilet water, or perhaps even creates in them a kind of desire for it, given the scatological and urological properties it most likely contains.
This is far too much analysis for a Monday morning. lol

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For the serious toilet connoisseur...

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For the serious toilet connoisseur...



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