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Finally made it to a COC
« on: June 22, 2013, 04:17:29 PM »
After almost a month of searching the internet trying to find my local COC versus the largeer one an hour away, I finally located it and went for liturgy! ;D

I was the only non-Egyptian, and I think this Church is made up of more immigrants versus American borns. However everyone was really, really nice especially the women. Abouna is also very nice but his English is not so great; he is close to 80 and spent most of his life in Egypt. I understood more of the Arabic portion of liturgy than I thought I would, and overall did not make in idiot of myself, lol.

I did have one question. I was sort of stopped at the door by a guy and asked how I found this place, and from whom. He proceeded to ask me the person's name, last name(did not recall a last name), and finally could I show him the email conversation I had with said person. This was pretty weird, because he asked me step outside while he called the person's number in the email and only really let me back in AFTER he found out if was Abouna's son and that I actually knew someone there. Is this normal, or was he just being a jerk?

Jerk or not, I will be back there next week. It was good stuff. :angel:
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 05:19:12 PM »
I did have one question. I was sort of stopped at the door by a guy and asked how I found this place, and from whom. He proceeded to ask me the person's name, last name(did not recall a last name), and finally could I show him the email conversation I had with said person. This was pretty weird, because he asked me step outside while he called the person's number in the email and only really let me back in AFTER he found out if was Abouna's son and that I actually knew someone there. Is this normal, or was he just being a jerk?

Jerk or not, I will be back there next week. It was good stuff. :angel:

I haven't been to a COC or anything, but that is really weird. I want to visit one someday, but I'm not sure I'd be so optimistic about it like you after something like that. :P

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 05:28:54 PM »
After almost a month of searching the internet trying to find my local COC versus the lager one an hour away, I finally located it and went for liturgy! ;D

I was the only non-Egyptian, and I think this Church is made up of more immigrants versus American borns. However everyone was really, really nice especially the women. Abouna is also very nice but his English is not so great; he is close to 80 and spent most of his life in Egypt. I understood more of the Arabic portion of liturgy than I thought I would, and overall did not make in idiot of myself, lol.

I did have one question. I was sort of stopped at the door by a guy and asked how I found this place, and from whom. He proceeded to ask me the person's name, last name(did not recall a last name), and finally could I show him the email conversation I had with said person. This was pretty weird, because he asked me step outside while he called the person's number in the email and only really let me back in AFTER he found out if was Abouna's son and that I actually knew someone there. Is this normal, or was he just being a jerk?

Jerk or not, I will be back there next week. It was good stuff. :angel:
I attend a Mission where I am.  During a time that was either my later inquirer days or early catechumen days, I visited the Church where my priest presided.  The greeter was rather inquisitive and asked if I was Orthodox.  Some months later I visited again and there were other greeters who were friendly.  I saw this original greeter a year or so later and figured out that it was the person who was rather snoopy, and it was not the others in the Church, so hopefully you will have a better time the 2nd time around.
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 05:31:05 PM »

I did have one question. I was sort of stopped at the door by a guy and asked how I found this place, and from whom. He proceeded to ask me the person's name, last name(did not recall a last name), and finally could I show him the email conversation I had with said person. This was pretty weird, because he asked me step outside while he called the person's number in the email and only really let me back in AFTER he found out if was Abouna's son and that I actually knew someone there. Is this normal, or was he just being a jerk?


Very odd.  I've visited a handful of Coptic churches, and I have never come across that.  Wow.   :o

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 05:50:09 PM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 06:09:31 PM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
Glad one guy won't ruin it, and yes, the car thing is strange.

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 02:14:42 PM »
well done for finding the church, i suggest you ignore this guy or only talk to him with someone else there with you as a 'chaperone'. he sounds like he has issues.

well done also for understanding some arabic  :)
just remember never to say 'as salaam 'alaykum'!
the Christian version is 'salaam leekum' (non religious) or 'salaam bil Masih' (peace in the Messiah).

also people say 'ahlaan' (hi) or 'kayf haalak?' (how are you?) to which the response is 'alhamdu lilah' (praise God - exactly as the muslims say it).
Christians are all less likely to say 'subhan Allah' (glory to God) although they do say it sometimes.
to most, it sounds muslim. they would more readily say 'nashkor Allah' (we thank God)

these are the main religious differences in arabic greetings, oh and also Christians don't say 'bism illah' when eating, as this is short for 'in the name of God, the most beneficient, the most merciful' which is reserved for muslims. they rather say 'bism il Ab wa il Ibn wa il Roh il qadoos', 'in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(a few tips as a coptic Christian who is a very poor student of arabic who has muslim arabic speaking friends)

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 07:57:35 PM »
I'll be avoiding him at all costs. He kind of reminded me of that time I got a secondary airport screening with TSA. :o

My Arabic ability is horrible speaking wise. I understand a lot when spoken to but my Southern accent murders anything I try and say. Maybe one day!
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 09:21:31 AM »
I just saw this! Welcome :)...

And yes, he's a jerk. If I went to that church, I would call him out on it.
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 09:29:05 AM »
It seems you have encountered Miaphysite Mina.


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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 10:39:23 AM »
It seems you have encountered Miaphysite Mina.



lol! That's scarier than Hyperdox Herman
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 11:45:27 AM »
Whatever that thing is, it is awesome!  New thread, new thread, new thread!!
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 11:48:17 AM »
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 11:53:58 AM »
It seems you have encountered Miaphysite Mina.



The funny thing is that just last Friday I was at a Coptic parish.  We are approaching Assumption Day, so there was an icon of the Mother of God at the front of the church for people to venerate.  It had small colorful Christmas lights around it.  It was actually kind of cute.  I liked it.   :)

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
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What is an LED?

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 11:55:15 AM »
Whatever that thing is, it is awesome!  New thread, new thread, new thread!!

I agree.  I would love to have a thread like that, just like Hyperdox Herman.  

My only problem is that I don't know how to generate memes.  How do you do that?

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 12:02:23 PM »
My only problem is that I don't know how to generate memes.  How do you do that?

Here you are.

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2013, 06:06:47 PM »
I just saw this! Welcome :)...

And yes, he's a jerk. If I went to that church, I would call him out on it.

I determined shortly after that the guy has some issues and now stay far away, avoiding any eye contact when I'm around. Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2013, 06:38:06 PM »
Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)

How many people in one bunch?  We have a lot of weirdos here, and I'm wondering if the ratio is the same.  ;)
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2013, 06:48:13 PM »
Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)

How many people in one bunch?  We have a lot of weirdos here, and I'm wondering if the ratio is the same.  ;)

I live in the Pacific NW, so come to think of it that ratio is probably higher than the national average.  :P
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2013, 09:13:18 PM »
I determined shortly after that the guy has some issues and now stay far away, avoiding any eye contact when I'm around. Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)

This may go without saying, but have you checked to make sure that the parish priest knows that the guy does stuff like that when a new person comes to the door?
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2013, 11:40:21 PM »
I determined shortly after that the guy has some issues and now stay far away, avoiding any eye contact when I'm around. Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)

This may go without saying, but have you checked to make sure that the parish priest knows that the guy does stuff like that when a new person comes to the door?

You know....my fiance told me I should have said something to abouna also but I wasn't sure how to bring that up exactly ???. I don't get the feeling many new, non-Egyptian people come around the small COC in my city so maybe it was some stranger danger going on in his mind.

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2013, 11:49:37 PM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
Glad one guy won't ruin it, and yes, the car thing is strange.

The entire thing is suspicious, but this part especially.  Very strange!

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2013, 12:55:12 AM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
Glad one guy won't ruin it, and yes, the car thing is strange.

The entire thing is suspicious, but this part especially.  Very strange!

Yes it was a little off putting and so far every Coptic person I've mentioned it to gave me the bug eye look of shock; I do still get a good laugh about it here and there because of him and his actions, though. :D
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
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I am glad to hear it is working out well!  Thank you for sharing your adventure with us!

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2013, 09:52:21 AM »
It seems you have encountered Miaphysite Mina.



The funny thing is that just last Friday I was at a Coptic parish.  We are approaching Assumption Day, so there was an icon of the Mother of God at the front of the church for people to venerate.  It had small colorful Christmas lights around it.  It was actually kind of cute.  I liked it.   :)

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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2013, 09:53:36 AM »
Guess there is always one weirdo in every bunch.  ::)

How many people in one bunch?  We have a lot of weirdos here, and I'm wondering if the ratio is the same.  ;)

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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2013, 09:56:23 AM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
Glad one guy won't ruin it, and yes, the car thing is strange.

The entire thing is suspicious, but this part especially.  Very strange!

Yes it was a little off putting and so far every Coptic person I've mentioned it to gave me the bug eye look of shock; I do still get a good laugh about it here and there because of him and his actions, though. :D

God bless you! This guy sounds like someone to avoid. A priest at my church once said, "The definition of a stalker is two people go on a romantic walk, and only one of them knows it."

Is your fiance interested in going to church with you?
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Re: Finally made it to a COC
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2013, 02:27:19 PM »
This is a really small Church, maybe 40 people were at liturgy including kids. I'm assuming everyone is really tight-knit and maybe that is why, or maybe like someone said, that guy was just one of those who asks too many weird things. He also asked did I want to sit in his car with him while he called the person. I said nope, I don't know you so no thank-you. I'll give benefit of the doubt and think he was being nice by offering that versus being a creeper.

Anyway, one guy won't ruin my COC experience. :P
Glad one guy won't ruin it, and yes, the car thing is strange.

The entire thing is suspicious, but this part especially.  Very strange!

Yes it was a little off putting and so far every Coptic person I've mentioned it to gave me the bug eye look of shock; I do still get a good laugh about it here and there because of him and his actions, though. :D

God bless you! This guy sounds like someone to avoid. A priest at my church once said, "The definition of a stalker is two people go on a romantic walk, and only one of them knows it."

Is your fiance interested in going to church with you?

LOL! He is actually in Egypt, and will be there until we decide which way to go with the immigration process. If he were here, or I there then yes we would go together.
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