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AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« on: June 20, 2013, 02:00:56 AM »
Medical circles digest the upshot of obesity classification

Obesity: It's not a failure of willpower anymore.

The American Medical Association's decision Tuesday to officially label obesity as a disease at its annual meeting in Chicago is raising hopes among dieticians, bariatric surgeons and internists prescribing weight loss drugs that more of their services will be covered by health insurance...

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 02:37:33 AM »
 I want to laugh but all I can do is :'(

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 07:38:38 AM »



She forgot to take her foodacilin....poor victim....if only she didn't go outside without her scarf......

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 07:56:20 AM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 08:01:36 AM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.
You are correct, of course. Either way, its not a disease. Whether by eating or inaction, its the fat person's fault (except in some cases like glandular stuff, etc) and its the fat person's job to fix it.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 08:49:59 AM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 08:51:05 AM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.

It's good to see at least one Orthodox Christian post with compassion rather than cynical snark. Sometimes the internet leads me to the edge of despair thinking that the Church is a fraud, full of judgmental, opinionated reactionaries. Then Sunday rolls around, we attend liturgy and all is well again.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 08:59:02 AM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.

As are we all.  Some of us are just chubbier or thinner than others.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 09:05:37 AM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.

I think you're spot on about that.  That's a large part of my "problem", too.  Not only is it what we do not do, but much of what we put in our mouths, especially those really "yummy" snacky things, add to the problem, as it were.

And....for some people, it is most definitely an illness, or rather, an important symptom of a deeper illness, much like alcoholism and other addictions.

(I guess now it's time to hear from the local Food Police.)
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 09:40:25 AM »
On the web EVERY ISSUE seems to demand  an ideological spin. It is no wonder the only thing we seem to do in America is spin and spin around and around. That "spinning" clearly has no impact on BMI. (Body mass index.)

I don't have the factual basis to articulate an opinion based on any objective criteria. I do know that denying that obesity is a public health - and an economic - issue is shortsighted. Your health insurance costs (including employer share) and your taxes which support Medicare and Medicaid programs certainly reflect the reality of the problem in the United States. I suspect our non North American friends have noticed our size problems and the size of portions offered in our restaurants.

An objective analysis of the AMA action with pros and cons. http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/06/19/193440570/ama-says-its-time-to-call-obesity-a-disease

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 09:46:55 AM »
According to the BMI this guy is obese:




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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 09:47:13 AM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 09:48:23 AM »
According to the BMI this guy is obese:




BMI is a joke. The doctor to whom I go cant stand it because my insurance demands BMI stuff and it, like you stated above, is WAY too simplistic.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 09:53:50 AM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.

Well...there is that.  ;)
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2013, 10:04:54 AM »
Can we make "work" as a disease also? Thanks
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2013, 10:07:03 AM »
Can we make "work" laziness as a disease also? Thanks

Fixed it.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2013, 10:07:59 AM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.
My sentiments precisely. :(

Now that school is out, I should dedicate myself to getting to a healthier weight.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2013, 10:32:13 AM »
Can we make "work" laziness as a disease also? Thanks

Fixed it.
Jeff you put too much work into striking that out, italisczing, and coloring it.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 10:34:04 AM »
Can we make "work" laziness as a disease also? Thanks

Fixed it.
Jeff you put too much work into striking that out, italisczing, and coloring it.

I must be diseased, Alex.  But.....it was quite enjoyable while it lasted.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 10:53:44 AM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.
My sentiments precisely. :(

Now that school is out, I should dedicate myself to getting to a healthier weight.

I think Liza's point about activity is spot on.  Last year I lost a lot of weight.  The Lord says 'seek and ye shall find', and apparently this year I have been doing a lot of weight seeking...  I am not going to lie, my diet has gotten less disciplined, but really isn't that horrifying.  The main thing is, I do a lot less walking and biking as I did last year.  Energy goes in, only some of it goes out unless you actively utilize it.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2013, 01:51:09 PM »
Actually Jeff I know people who work too much that it has affected their physical and mental health.

So yeah its a disease
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2013, 02:07:02 PM »
Up until the end of World War Two, obesity was considered a manifestation of Malnutrition. That's a fact.

German scientists did the best work on figuring out what makes people fat but it was all lost due to the war. Rocket Scientists were protected because we needed them. Nutrition specialists, not so much.

Here is what the best science says today. Obesity MAKES you lazy and glutonus, not the other way around. We were strongly directly by the Diet Dictocrats to eat low fat high carb diets that spike insulin. Insulin is what makes your body hold fat. THEN people cant control their appetites .

There is a new book coming out, it may already be available by Denise Minger called : "Death by Food Pyramid" that gives the history of all this. She also has some great You Tubes if you search on her name.
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2013, 02:12:42 PM »
"Death by Food Pyrimid" will be avialable in November
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2013, 02:12:57 PM »
Actually Jeff I know people who work too much that it has affected their physical and mental health.

So yeah its a disease

Work is an activity, not a condition, Alex. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.  You know, work vs. overwork. To consider work, per se, as a disease, is just, well.....plain stupid.  If you ate 25 hot dogs and 5 lbs. of Bush's Baked Beans daily and ended up with physical and mental symptoms, would you then classify eating as a disease?  If you walked 30-40 miles a day (without building up to that, over time, and conditioning yourself) and developed physical and mental health problems as a result, would you classify walking as a disease?  Get my drift?
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2013, 03:02:02 PM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.
My sentiments precisely. :(

Now that school is out, I should dedicate myself to getting to a healthier weight.

Do your reading list while running on the treadmill. :D
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2013, 03:04:48 PM »
Crap. Now I'm diseased.
My sentiments precisely. :(

Now that school is out, I should dedicate myself to getting to a healthier weight.

Do your reading list while running on the treadmill. :D

And make sure you take something for motion sickness. ;D

(I love the "shoulds" we give ourselves  ;).  "Should" usually translates as "it would be a good idea but it probably doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.")
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2013, 03:14:11 PM »
Exercise doesn't help with weight loss all that much. As you expend energy you get hungry. More exercise, more eating.

Just like when people used to take a walk before a big meal to "Work up an appetite".
Of course building muscle mass will help some but most results will come from eating properly not from working out.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2013, 05:08:57 PM »
Exercise doesn't help with weight loss all that much. As you expend energy you get hungry. More exercise, more eating.

Just like when people used to take a walk before a big meal to "Work up an appetite".
Of course building muscle mass will help some but most results will come from eating properly not from working out.

But working out will also increase your body's metabolism.  It's a both...and not an either...or.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2013, 05:35:15 PM »
It's probably genetics and physical activity or lack of it,  mostly.  I eat and drink a lot without ever checking calorie labels-which I can barely make any sense of anyways- but my objective living conditions  ;) force me to do lots of moving, pulling, lifting etc.  I also bike a good deal. Go to work or pretty much anywhere. Never set foot in a gym.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 05:42:29 PM »
Exercise doesn't help with weight loss all that much. As you expend energy you get hungry. More exercise, more eating.


Walking, running and biking help a lot. I know from myself. In my case i followed three simple rules:

1. No eating after 20.00 o'clock.
2. No chips and chocolate.
3. Walking

It helped a lot.

Obesity is classified as a disease in my country long time ago.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2013, 05:47:42 PM »
I wish the article had included how the AMA defines disease. It seems impossible to have an opinion one way or the other without knowing that.
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2013, 06:08:00 PM »
Exercise doesn't help with weight loss all that much. As you expend energy you get hungry. More exercise, more eating.

Just like when people used to take a walk before a big meal to "Work up an appetite".
Of course building muscle mass will help some but most results will come from eating properly not from working out.

But working out will also increase your body's metabolism.  It's a both...and not an either...or.

Studies have shown that exercise is not particularly effective for weight loss.

Interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQuB9pcptk0

Here is a good article about it:

http://www.dietdoctor.com/does-exercise-promote-weight-loss
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2013, 06:31:39 PM »
Yes, the great scientific authority of You Tube.  ::)
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2013, 09:03:25 PM »
Yes, the great scientific authority of You Tube.  ::)

Too accessible for you? You can in fact listen to people with great scientific authority there... All you need to do is check their credentials if you have some doubt

 It's a problem for the establishment that us common folk can get good information so easily.
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2013, 09:11:02 PM »
The thing about exercise is that it is a rather weak strategy for weight loss. That doesnt mean it is useless, it isnt. But you must clean up you diet first and then add exercise if you still need to. If you are eating a diet that practically demands your body store fat, you have to exercise like a M. F... like it's your full time job to overcome your diet and lose weight. And once you stop or winter sets in and you cant run much, the bad diet puts all the pounds right back.

Exercise makes you stronger. That is a very good thing. You can lift more or pull more or open things easier and run faster and longer. More physical endurance is also good to have for when you are in an emergency. Added to a good diet it does nothing but help but as a mainstay of a weight loss plan without addressing diet first and foremost, it is not that important........... IMHO :) 
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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 09:12:53 PM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.

Obesity is not the same as just being a few pounds overweight.

I have known two people in my life who weighed several hundred (by which I mean over 400) pounds.

They did not get that way because they had no willpower. They struggled with obesity from childhood.

They both went to heroic lengths to lose the weight, up to and including surgery - and this was in the days before the "lap band" which, while it may sound easy and fun on those cutesy radio commercials, is still dangerous.

Both of them were able to get the weight off but even after the surgery it took another couple of years, and they're still maintaining with great difficulty.

And one of them lost the use of his legs and is in a wheelchair, due to complications of the surgery.

So yeah, you all just go right ahead and laugh at those stupid funny fat people and tell us how they all just need to stop eating those extra helpings of fries.

Me, I'm not going to laugh because there but for the grace of God ... well, you know the rest. (or at least you should  ::) )
"Sometimes, you just gotta say, 'OK, I still have nine live, two-headed animals' and move on.'' (owner of Coney Island freak show, upon learning he'd been outbid on a 5-legged puppy)

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 09:26:05 PM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.
But none of these things make it a disease.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2013, 09:28:42 PM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.

Obesity is not the same as just being a few pounds overweight.

I have known two people in my life who weighed several hundred (by which I mean over 400) pounds.

They did not get that way because they had no willpower. They struggled with obesity from childhood.

They both went to heroic lengths to lose the weight, up to and including surgery - and this was in the days before the "lap band" which, while it may sound easy and fun on those cutesy radio commercials, is still dangerous.

Both of them were able to get the weight off but even after the surgery it took another couple of years, and they're still maintaining with great difficulty.

And one of them lost the use of his legs and is in a wheelchair, due to complications of the surgery.

So yeah, you all just go right ahead and laugh at those stupid funny fat people and tell us how they all just need to stop eating those extra helpings of fries.

Me, I'm not going to laugh because there but for the grace of God ... well, you know the rest. (or at least you should  ::) )


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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2013, 09:29:49 PM »
I wish the article had included how the AMA defines disease. It seems impossible to have an opinion one way or the other without knowing that.
Having an opinion is a disease.

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 09:59:12 PM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.

Obesity is not the same as just being a few pounds overweight.

I have known two people in my life who weighed several hundred (by which I mean over 400) pounds.

They did not get that way because they had no willpower. They struggled with obesity from childhood.

They both went to heroic lengths to lose the weight, up to and including surgery - and this was in the days before the "lap band" which, while it may sound easy and fun on those cutesy radio commercials, is still dangerous.

Both of them were able to get the weight off but even after the surgery it took another couple of years, and they're still maintaining with great difficulty.

And one of them lost the use of his legs and is in a wheelchair, due to complications of the surgery.

So yeah, you all just go right ahead and laugh at those stupid funny fat people and tell us how they all just need to stop eating those extra helpings of fries.

Me, I'm not going to laugh because there but for the grace of God ... well, you know the rest. (or at least you should  ::) )


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Some people are pre disposed to store lots of fat on their bodies. It has nothing at all to do with their will power.
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2013, 10:15:30 PM »
That's not fair. Not all overweight people eat like that.

In fact, I believe many are overweight due to lack of activity, instead of overeating.

We sit at work all day, sit on the drive home, sit at our computers in the evening...

We just don't move enough.

I know that is my problem.
But none of these things make it a disease.

Here is what does make it a disease. Obesity is fundamentally a hormonal imbalance. That hormone is insulin which is what signals your cells to store fat. Period.

You get this hormone imbalance from eating too many carbohydrates. You can become insulin resistant which means that over time you produce  more and more insulin and get fatter..  Fructose is a carbohydrate that exacerbates insulin resistance. High fructose corn syrup is now shot through the food supply for one example.

It is like smoking cigarettes. Smoking causes lung cancer. Stop smoking and unless you are around asbestos you have significantly cut your chances of ever getting lung cancer. If you stop eating carbohydrates you will not become insulin resistant and you will not store fat on your body and will not ever have the hormone imbalance that expresses itself as obesity.

Smoking  leads to cancer = disease

Eating carbs leads to hormone (insulin) imbalance = disease

Too much fat stored on the body is the outward expression of this imbalance.
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2013, 10:18:57 PM »
Posting on the Internet is a disease.

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2013, 10:19:50 PM »
So obesity is a disease?  Translation:  nothing is your own damned fault.
Exactly

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Re: AMA Labels Obesity a Disease
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2013, 10:55:32 PM »
Eating too many carbs = Insulin imbalance = Obesity

People were told to stop eating fat and to eat lots of carbs = Not their fault
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm