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« on: June 19, 2013, 04:24:11 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2013, 04:26:46 PM »

Ending World Hunger - stop eating meat.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 04:30:21 PM »

Ending World Hunger - stop eating meat.

B.S.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 04:31:23 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 04:32:13 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 04:34:01 PM »

Axios!
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 04:36:29 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2013, 04:38:52 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 04:43:28 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag!

That you got right!
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2013, 04:43:55 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

What? Windburn? Who is cryptic now?
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:02 PM »

The NYT does have quite a right wing slant, granted, but this pretty much journalism and they remain one of our best newspapers in spite of their right wing take on things.
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2013, 04:46:14 PM »

Fools are born a dime a dozen.

Interestingly according to you, that is about the going rate for eggs at Trader Joe's as well. Sorry, but color me skeptical.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2013, 04:46:45 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2013, 04:48:13 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

Is it tomorrow already in Australia? I've always been horrible at time math.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2013, 04:50:04 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

What? Windburn? Who is cryptic now?

It went over my head so damn fast, I got windburn on my scalp.
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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2013, 04:52:23 PM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

What? Windburn? Who is cryptic now?

It went over my head so damn fast, I got windburn on my scalp.

sheen pointed it out. I have no idea why the NYT is on aboriginal time or whatever.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2013, 04:57:09 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2013, 04:58:04 PM »

B.S.

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2013, 05:40:31 PM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2013, 06:13:50 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.

S works secretly for Monsanto and promotes their evil monopoly whether he knows it or not.

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.
However, Monsanto wants to get their hands on everything.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2013, 06:17:55 PM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

How can anything good come out of a company who makes chemical warfare agents?

Oh, good press that they are now feeding the world.

Give me a break!

Fools are born every day, and they believe the NY Slimes propaganda.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2013, 06:35:59 PM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?

Heck, I'll take a "garden" like I had to deal with as a kid. ~.75 acre. Pesticides and herbicides I assure you were needed. One of the pesticides I enjoyed the most, was my .22.

And I've never seen any "unmodified" organism.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2013, 06:54:35 PM »

I really hate Monsanto and might as well mutter "Monsanto delenda est" every morning when I wake up, but that doesn't mean I'll buy into any conspiracy theory or automatically dismiss anything remotely positive about the company.
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2013, 07:01:55 PM »

I really hate Monsanto and might as well mutter "Monsanto delenda est" every morning when I wake up, but that doesn't mean I'll buy into any conspiracy theory or automatically dismiss anything remotely positive about the company.

My problem is the fetishizing of a single corporation as the object of our critique of capitalism, especially when the critique ends being something about not delivering us fruit from The Tree of Life.

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2013, 09:10:25 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.

S works secretly for Monsanto and promotes their evil monopoly whether he knows it or not.

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.
However, Monsanto wants to get their hands on everything.


Nice retort.  It's a wonder more people don't take you seriously.  Argue facts, not ad hominems.

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2013, 09:16:54 PM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.

S works secretly for Monsanto and promotes their evil monopoly whether he knows it or not.

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.
However, Monsanto wants to get their hands on everything.


Nice retort.  It's a wonder more people don't take you seriously.  Argue facts, not ad hominems.



How do you say Monsanto in Latin?
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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2013, 09:20:28 PM »

Hunger is a localized phenomenon. "World hunger" is a meaningless concept when it comes to looking at solutions.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2013, 09:28:46 PM »

Hunger is a localized phenomenon. "World hunger" is a meaningless concept when it comes to looking at solutions.

Yes. No.
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2013, 10:01:26 PM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?

Heck, I'll take a "garden" like I had to deal with as a kid. ~.75 acre. Pesticides and herbicides I assure you were needed. One of the pesticides I enjoyed the most, was my .22.
This time of year, 60-70 percent of what I eat is grown 150 feet from my backdoor...We use heirloom and hybrid seeds, but there's no way we could grow as much as we eat without 13-13-13 and Malathion. Sure, it would produce some, but it won't produce nearly as much as we eat.

There are plenty of vile practices in industrial farming that can be avoided, but most of the organic fetishists I have run into aren't the people growing the food.
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2013, 10:18:21 PM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?

Heck, I'll take a "garden" like I had to deal with as a kid. ~.75 acre. Pesticides and herbicides I assure you were needed. One of the pesticides I enjoyed the most, was my .22.
This time of year, 60-70 percent of what I eat is grown 150 feet from my backdoor...We use heirloom and hybrid seeds, but there's no way we could grow as much as we eat without 13-13-13 and Malathion. Sure, it would produce some, but it won't produce nearly as much as we eat.

There are plenty of vile practices in industrial farming that can be avoided, but most of the organic fetishists I have run into aren't the people growing the food.

Exactly, but they even don't understand properly what an herbicide is or a pesticide. It is a "bad" chemical or something.

Tobacco near tomatos? We did this. This is a pesticide.

Pulling weeds. Herbicide. We did this.

Frankly, growing up we had as "green" a garden possible due to poverty and free child labor. We did use some "chemicals" but very little as I recall and I couldn't even tell you what it was. I knew it was there to kill bugs, that's about it.
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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2013, 11:33:00 PM »

Ending World Hunger - stop eating meat.

I have heard several silly statements like this before, but usually from global warming nutcases.  The bottom line is, no matter what we do, hunger will exist in those places the government oppresses its people, especially in those places where warlords rule.  We can do very, very little, and waste billions of dollars trying by focusing on the wound rather than the cause of the injury.  Genetically altered food was never, and will never, be the answer.  The US has always produced more food than it could consume, without the altered sources of sustenance, and exports unbelievable amounts of food to other countries.  This is done with farmers being paid not to farm.  Imagine if people actually did farm their land, but again, that will not end hunger.
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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2013, 11:35:05 PM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.
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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2013, 11:36:44 PM »

Hunger is a localized phenomenon. "World hunger" is a meaningless concept when it comes to looking at solutions.

Yes.

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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2013, 11:36:52 PM »

Ending World Hunger - stop eating meat.


I have heard several silly statements like this before, but usually from global warming nutcases.  The bottom line is, no matter what we do, hunger will exist in those places the government oppresses its people, especially in those places where warlords rule.  We can do very, very little, and waste billions of dollars trying by focusing on the wound rather than the cause of the injury.  Genetically altered food was never, and will never, be the answer.  The US has always produced more food than it could consume, without the altered sources of sustenance, and exports unbelievable amounts of food to other countries.  This is done with farmers being paid not to farm.  Imagine
if people actually did farm their land, but again, that will not end hunger.

I left unaltered what isn't completely wrong.
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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2013, 11:57:39 PM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.

People are still born disfigured in Vietnam from Agent Orange use.
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Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.

People are still born disfigured in Vietnam from Agent Orange use.

I will have to take you at your word on this.  I do not have any information about what you say.  However, it would not surprise me.  That was some pretty nasty stuff.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 12:00:10 AM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.

People are still born disfigured in Vietnam from Agent Orange use.

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Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.

People are still born disfigured in Vietnam from Agent Orange use.

Have you ever seen photos / footage of the guys spraying it? It's crazy.

Then take a look at the land mass we manage to carpet with it.

So American. It's like Xerxes whipping the Hellespont.
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Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?


There's at least a dozen organic commercial farms in my area that prove other wise. And yes, I've grown vegetables for 20 years since I was old enough to understand it. The important difference between what you probably experienced and what they do is they are not buying their seeds from just anywhere and are using improved cultivars that have been selected to resist various diseases (which before someone chimes in, "That's GMO!", as always happens in discussions like this, they are not. GMO strictly refers to transgenic organisms where DNA is removed from the nucleus of one organism and inserted into another, never things developed by breeding).
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Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?


There's at least a dozen organic commercial farms in my area that prove other wise. And yes, I've grown vegetables for 20 years since I was old enough to understand it. The important difference between what you probably experienced and what they do is they are not buying their seeds from just anywhere and are using improved cultivars that have been selected to resist various diseases (which before someone chimes in, "That's GMO!", as always happens in discussions like this, they are not. GMO strictly refers to transgenic organisms where DNA is removed from the nucleus of one organism and inserted into another, never things developed by breeding).

No they don't.

They don't kill anything in the cultivation of the plant? Nothing?

Cause that is amazing. The need to get published for violating Newton's Eighth Law of Motion.

Who knew you could have your seed and eat it too?
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 12:32:48 AM »

And GMO refers to whatever someone wants it to refer to.

I literally read a label the other day about a "GMO free" product. The * above GMO lead to a disclaimer such as the following:

We use only ingredients provided to us by suppliers who do not use biotechnology in principle.

What does that mean?

Nothing.

Nothing.

Look at the precious wikipedia for the click-a-thon that is GMO.
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2013, 12:35:23 AM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?


There's at least a dozen organic commercial farms in my area that prove other wise. And yes, I've grown vegetables for 20 years since I was old enough to understand it. The important difference between what you probably experienced and what they do is they are not buying their seeds from just anywhere and are using improved cultivars that have been selected to resist various diseases (which before someone chimes in, "That's GMO!", as always happens in discussions like this, they are not. GMO strictly refers to transgenic organisms where DNA is removed from the nucleus of one organism and inserted into another, never things developed by breeding).

No they don't.

They don't kill anything in the cultivation of the plant? Nothing?

Cause that is amazing. The need to get published for violating Newton's Eighth Law of Motion.

Who knew you could have your seed and eat it too?

Is this about 'pesticides' and 'herbicides' being techniques, not just chemicals, as you were talking about in another post above? Actually those are defined as substances ('chemicals') and not practices, killing a pest is not 'pesticide' even though it could look that way.
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2013, 12:38:15 AM »

And GMO refers to whatever someone wants it to refer to.

I literally read a label the other day about a "GMO free" product. The * above GMO lead to a disclaimer such as the following:

We use only ingredients provided to us by suppliers who do not use biotechnology in principle.

What does that mean?

Nothing.

Nothing.

Look at the precious wikipedia for the click-a-thon that is GMO.

That is for food labeling purposes, which is mucked up by the fact that the people in charge of it just as often have no clue what they're talking about and don't particularly care. Scientifically it is very clear what is and is not GMO. Crossing two species of Capsicum or Seagulls, which can happen naturally, is not GMO. Plucking out an allele from a jelly fish and sticking it in a pig is. There is no grey area for biologists or any other scientist.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2013, 12:45:59 AM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?


There's at least a dozen organic commercial farms in my area that prove other wise. And yes, I've grown vegetables for 20 years since I was old enough to understand it. The important difference between what you probably experienced and what they do is they are not buying their seeds from just anywhere and are using improved cultivars that have been selected to resist various diseases (which before someone chimes in, "That's GMO!", as always happens in discussions like this, they are not. GMO strictly refers to transgenic organisms where DNA is removed from the nucleus of one organism and inserted into another, never things developed by breeding).

No they don't.

They don't kill anything in the cultivation of the plant? Nothing?

Cause that is amazing. The need to get published for violating Newton's Eighth Law of Motion.

Who knew you could have your seed and eat it too?

Is this about 'pesticides' and 'herbicides' being techniques, not just chemicals, as you were talking about in another post above? Actually those are defined as substances ('chemicals') and not practices, killing a pest is not 'pesticide' even though it could look that way.

It certainly is.

Want to crack open the etymology of pesticide?

What about that crazy tobacco that killed those crazy critters that attacked the tomato plants.

See, before you say "tomato" I was planting what you kidz call "heirloom" and "native" seeds, cause they were more resistant. We just said the latter. Dumb country people just using what grew the easiest.

Then the kidz argued whether using tobacco spray was organic or not.

Please. You kill stuff to grow stuff. We can argue over the hows and wherefores, but don't sell me a load of nonsense. Or start lecturing me on of all thing what a "chemical" is.

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2013, 12:48:07 AM »

And GMO refers to whatever someone wants it to refer to.

I literally read a label the other day about a "GMO free" product. The * above GMO lead to a disclaimer such as the following:

We use only ingredients provided to us by suppliers who do not use biotechnology in principle.

What does that mean?

Nothing.

Nothing.

Look at the precious wikipedia for the click-a-thon that is GMO.

That is for food labeling purposes, which is mucked up by the fact that the people in charge of it just as often have no clue what they're talking about and don't particularly care. Scientifically it is very clear what is and is not GMO. Crossing two species of Capsicum or Seagulls, which can happen naturally, is not GMO. Plucking out an allele from a jelly fish and sticking it in a pig is. There is no grey area for biologists or any other scientist.

LOL!

So I am right except when we talk to you and your peer group. And talk to me about science or consumer products, I work for one the largest companies out there doing it. And trust me, the sniggering is epic.

And don't include someone with a biology degree or who claims to practice biology in the same sentence with science. Nonsense.
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2013, 12:49:56 AM »

I cannot suffer anymore foolishness for the day, time to try to sleep.

Jason, keep proving my point. It helps with the exhaustion of the hands.
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2013, 12:50:28 AM »

Maybe they can feed the people they horribly disfigured with the use of Agent Orange.

News flash, no one uses that anymore.  Havent for a long, long time.

People are still born disfigured in Vietnam from Agent Orange use.

Six words for you Mr. Infinite Justice:

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Never forget.

Never.



Well I just spent thirty minutes reading up on this and now have three more tabs open. Why would you do this to me?
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2013, 12:52:45 AM »

And GMO refers to whatever someone wants it to refer to.

I literally read a label the other day about a "GMO free" product. The * above GMO lead to a disclaimer such as the following:

We use only ingredients provided to us by suppliers who do not use biotechnology in principle.

What does that mean?

Nothing.

Nothing.

Look at the precious wikipedia for the click-a-thon that is GMO.

That is for food labeling purposes, which is mucked up by the fact that the people in charge of it just as often have no clue what they're talking about and don't particularly care. Scientifically it is very clear what is and is not GMO. Crossing two species of Capsicum or Seagulls, which can happen naturally, is not GMO. Plucking out an allele from a jelly fish and sticking it in a pig is. There is no grey area for biologists or any other scientist.

LOL!

So I am right except when we talk to you and your peer group. And talk to me about science or consumer products, I work for one the largest companies out there doing it.

Now you work for Proctor & Gamble?  I thought you were employed in a Philosophy department at a university.

And trust me, the sniggering is epic.

And don't include someone with a biology degree or who claims to practice biology in the same sentence with science. Nonsense.

What do philosophers know about this topic?
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2013, 12:56:42 AM »

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.

No it can't.

Have you ever raised a single plant?

How about farmed?


There's at least a dozen organic commercial farms in my area that prove other wise. And yes, I've grown vegetables for 20 years since I was old enough to understand it. The important difference between what you probably experienced and what they do is they are not buying their seeds from just anywhere and are using improved cultivars that have been selected to resist various diseases (which before someone chimes in, "That's GMO!", as always happens in discussions like this, they are not. GMO strictly refers to transgenic organisms where DNA is removed from the nucleus of one organism and inserted into another, never things developed by breeding).

No they don't.

They don't kill anything in the cultivation of the plant? Nothing?

Cause that is amazing. The need to get published for violating Newton's Eighth Law of Motion.

Who knew you could have your seed and eat it too?

Is this about 'pesticides' and 'herbicides' being techniques, not just chemicals, as you were talking about in another post above? Actually those are defined as substances ('chemicals') and not practices, killing a pest is not 'pesticide' even though it could look that way.

It certainly is.

Want to crack open the etymology of pesticide?

What about that crazy tobacco that killed those crazy critters that attacked the tomato plants.

See, before you say "tomato" I was planting what you kidz call "heirloom" and "native" seeds, cause they were more resistant. We just said the latter. Dumb country people just using what grew the easiest.

Then the kidz argued whether using tobacco spray was organic or not.

Please. You kill stuff to grow stuff. We can argue over the hows and wherefores, but don't sell me a load of nonsense. Or start lecturing me on of all thing what a "chemical" is.



I never said they didn't kill things, you're arguing with no one and getting in a tizzy about nothing.
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2013, 05:46:58 AM »

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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.

S works secretly for Monsanto and promotes their evil monopoly whether he knows it or not.

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.
However, Monsanto wants to get their hands on everything.


Nice retort.  It's a wonder more people don't take you seriously.  Argue facts, not ad hominems.


Yes, I've noticed that. One could easily think Maria incapable of arguing facts.
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Monsanto Executive Is Among World Food Prize Winners

For the first time in its 27-year history, a prestigious award for enhancing the global food supply has gone to a creator of genetically modified crops, a top scientist at Monsanto.

. . . .

The prize was started in 1987 by Norman E. Borlaug, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1970 for bringing about the Green Revolution, which vastly increased grain output, and who thought there should be a Nobel Prize for agriculture. The award is given to those who improve the “quality, quantity or availability” of food in the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

What a farce!

If anyone believes the NYT, with all their propaganda, they are a fool. Fools are born a dime a dozen.

The NY Slimes might be a propaganda rag, but there are times when they do tell the truth.  Besides, I don't think it was them that awarded the prize, or did I miss something again?

Maria has an agenda. To her, It is more important for the world to shell out more and more money for organic food which may or may not be better for you rather than to research and make crops which can feed more people worldwide at a fraction of the cost and do more to alleviate famine.

S works secretly for Monsanto and promotes their evil monopoly whether he knows it or not.

Tilling the land without pesticides and herbicides and GMO seeds can be done profitably.
However, Monsanto wants to get their hands on everything.


Nice retort.  It's a wonder more people don't take you seriously.  Argue facts, not ad hominems.


Yes, I've noticed that. One could easily think Maria incapable of arguing facts.
Maria = Jason Bourne mixed with Erin Brokovich.....without genetic manipulation of course.
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2013, 09:19:48 AM »

B.S.

It must be exhausting to be so wrong. Let it be, friend. You too can find your inner hippie!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_azA78Hi0

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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2013, 09:44:48 AM »

Genocide: Controlling world hunger since 3000 BC.
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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2013, 09:59:59 AM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

This didn't help the windburn.  I have no idea at all what you mean by this as an explanation for orthonorm's comment.  Maybe it's my age.  Or, perhaps, the result of having consumed way too many pesticides/herbicides (not to mention pests and herbs) over the course of my life.  So, yeah...probably my age.  Please explain in simple English.  Please.
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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2013, 10:03:15 AM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

This didn't help the windburn.  I have no idea at all what you mean by this as an explanation for orthonorm's comment.  Maybe it's my age.  Or, perhaps, the result of having consumed way too many pesticides/herbicides (not to mention pests and herbs) over the course of my life.  So, yeah...probably my age.  Please explain in simple English.  Please.

Notice the date in the URL and the time the article was posted.
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« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2013, 10:14:04 AM »

The URL would suggest divination.

 Huh  Sorry, pal, that one gave me windburn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/business/monsanto-executive-is-among-world-food-prize-winners.html?_r=0

This didn't help the windburn.  I have no idea at all what you mean by this as an explanation for orthonorm's comment.  Maybe it's my age.  Or, perhaps, the result of having consumed way too many pesticides/herbicides (not to mention pests and herbs) over the course of my life.  So, yeah...probably my age.  Please explain in simple English.  Please.

Notice the date in the URL and the time the article was posted.

Oh.
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