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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2013, 05:03:17 PM »

With all the respect, I don't agree with you. Sorry.
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« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2013, 05:06:02 PM »

Thus, the Orthodox Christian would not even dare to challenge the truth that all the existence, as well as any virtue of creatures, is in fact, only their participation in the hyper-essential and uncreated energies of the Pantocrator, but, what the idiomatically fallen logic of those who philosophize is unable to comprehend is the fact that the mere participation in the deeds of God is being attained and gained on the basis of natural conformation and establishment of the creatures themselves, ie, depending on their natural abilities that in the final instance characterize each individual essence with the symbolism of its theological significance, whereby, the attributes and properties of all creatures are being transformed into their primarily predetermined functional purpose as the instruments and articulators of the acts of grace – the executive of a comprehensive and mildest will of God, that is love.

As for us humans, except the predetermination of a reasonable soul as a self-propelled, unstoppable and according to the image of God created, cosmogonically mindful nature of ours, we were given and the cosmological, ie, a devising, judging and nominatively decisive instance of being that we call personality, dedicated for selection, acceptance and implementation of the grace of the Son of God and our Lord Jesus Christ, as an exclusive establisher and perpetrator of our subsistential perfection and maturity eligible of eternal living with God in the communion of the Holy Spirit.

The soul is a man, and the body – a world. Man lives in the body like in his own world and that’s the world that, by abstaining, fasting and praying, he should preserve and save in the blessed human shape, in order to gain within it a contribution of his own deification and an eternal holy life. Because human nature is an object, and the person – a subject of life in Christ, where many are one and the same body and the members to one another. The inner man is a plenipotentiary of his soul and the external, in order to took a part in the spiritual life would have to be governed by the soul, subordinating his personality in order of characterisation and healing of the being.
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« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2013, 01:58:05 PM »

One of the greatest misconceptions of modern theology is the confusion and substitution of a notion about personality with the concept of identity of otherness within the community, that thereby, among other things, theoretically conditions the ability of existence and characterizes death as a synonym for the disappearance of the human soul. Teachings that the soul dies loosing the identity and consciousness of itself isn’t true for a reason because the identity is just a manifestation of being, in the field of relations, unlike the person, to which was given the ability of love, ie, of spiritual life.
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« Reply #138 on: July 14, 2013, 08:17:24 AM »

One of the greatest misconceptions of modern theology is the confusion and substitution of a notion about personality with the concept of identity of otherness within the community, that thereby, among other things, theoretically conditions the ability of existence and characterizes death as a synonym for the disappearance of the human soul. Teaching that the soul dies loosing the identity and consciousness of itself isn’t true for a reason because the identity is just a manifestation of being, in the field of relations, unlike the person, to which was given the ability of love, ie, of spiritual life.

But after the final verdict, the beloved identity of the convicted ones completely remains to characterize them in eternity, but, since running out of the capability to be persons, they must continue their damned existence, retaining the identity by which they represented themselves.
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« Reply #139 on: July 14, 2013, 08:41:06 AM »

One of the greatest misconceptions of modern theology is the confusion and substitution of a notion about personality with the concept of identity of otherness within the community, that thereby, among other things, theoretically conditions the ability of existence and characterizes death as a synonym for the disappearance of the human soul. Teaching that the soul dies loosing the identity and consciousness of itself isn’t true for a reason because the identity is just a manifestation of being, in the field of relations, unlike the person, to which was given the ability of love, ie, of spiritual life.

But after the final verdict, the beloved identity of the convicted ones completely remains to characterize them in eternity, but, since running out of the capability to be persons, they must continue their damned existence, retaining the identity by which they represented themselves.

It is wrong to claim that the existence in hell happens due to the grace, because grace is a transmission of the whole will and providence of God to His spiritual creatures the most important one of which is the human soul, to their natural structure, through their effective compliance and grateful acceptance.
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« Reply #140 on: July 14, 2013, 09:31:03 AM »

If the existence of a soul in everlasting hellish torturing is the result of an action of grace, then it would certainly be a subject to rejection and disappearance, respectively, of an effective nihilism. In contrast, the existence in hell continues just because of the natural communion of spiritual beings with the life-giving, all-pervasive, uncreated and eternal energies of God, and does not depend on a reasonable compliance of souls that stay in it, so it can not be considered as a grace that is personal and subjective communion with the will of God, which is indeed the most precious gift one can get, accept or reject, while the rest is a matter of structural necessity of the spiritual essence of humanity.
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« Reply #141 on: July 14, 2013, 04:27:59 PM »

Finally, could we regard the unwanted or undesired as some kind of a gift? Because, those who are tormented in hell no longer care about a life and existence, and would gladly, if only they could, and if it somehow depends of their will, immediately vanish into nothingness! Nonetheless, just because of her freedom from the threat and fear of disappearance, and hence the unconditioned and unlimited by weakness or impotence, a way and character of her subjectivity, the existence of a soul is by creation breathed and woven into her nature, exactly for the sake of which, she must not and can’t reject it subjectively, because the quality of a being is the man’s source of dignity and freedom of existence, and by committing suicide, the man does not refuses only his particular appearance as the existence of an individual, but, its general human cause, reason and purpose, which is to fulfill the designation and purposefulness of humanity to its grateful and sacramental inclusion in the Theanthropic organism of Christ’s Church and a blessed essential existence empowered and glorified by the deity.
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« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2013, 05:46:23 AM »

In the extremely suspicious opus of his, the Metropolitan Zizioulas, to say so, does not even touched upon the issue of Incarnation of the Son of God, probably, in order to avoid a substantial foundation of the gospel of Christ and the irreplaceable role and importance of the human nature in the constitution of our salvation, because, if the being was only a phenomenon of mutual relations, The Son of God would have never incarnate in a man from the Virgin Mother of God, the One that has emerged from the royal lineage of king David and from the knee of the high priest Aron, in order to, starting from Himself, by Himself and within Himself, establish and made a humankind in the holiness of the royal priesthood!
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« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2013, 04:36:05 PM »

Thereby, to each one of us has entrusted the duty and liability for the soul as an overall universe of humanity, encouraging us on the accomplishment of living boldly, resolutely and steadfastly in pious holiness, that therefor, through abstinence and by keeping away from sin to gain grace and subjectivity of lords and rulers of our own nature and to become an emperors of soul’s forces of all humanity that is invested in us without any residue through the Christ and the Word of God, in order to made of ourselves, as of the sinful passions liberated people, a forth fruits worthy of repentance, such that could be offered to God to the adoption and sanctification in Christ, God and the Savior of mankind.
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« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2013, 05:03:21 PM »

The Orthodox Tradition of the notion of human existence is most concisely expressed in the liturgical call to “commit ourselves and one another and our whole life to Christ our God”, which clearly shows to every Orthodox Christian that he posses in oneself his own authentically subsistent, unquenchable and indestructible natural existence, that, if he wants for oneself and for his loved ones, to get enriched by the presence and the attributes of the divine being, following the example the Most Holy Theotokos, he may hand it over to Christ our God.
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« Reply #145 on: July 20, 2013, 10:18:48 AM »

So, if Heidegger, only after two thousand years came on the idea to point out that issue right in the focus of interest of philosophy and finally take into consideration the meaning of essence and being, then, we must not forget that the Orthodox have always kept in mind such a wisdom, that it is about the eternal well-being, which isn't an unambiguous and simply expedient, but, according to a diverse predetermined natures of creatures, so, even the eternal well-being would not be possible otherwise and beyond the created being, and least of all, by the theanthropic personality of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #146 on: July 21, 2013, 08:19:51 AM »

Attempting to presents the orthodoxy attractively and in a marketing manner as philosophically actual and culturally avant-garde system of thought, this widely affirmed theologian in his delusion exceeds even the existentialists, bringing himself to an unprecedented height of hermeneutic deception, shaped into the postulates of hyper-essential nature of God, as phenomenological excerpt, metaphorical complex and allegorical synonym of the hypostatic existence.
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« Reply #147 on: July 21, 2013, 02:12:44 PM »

It is a great condescension and unjustifiable charity in favor of his theological standpoint, that to be qualified only as an imposed otherness and difference instead of grace, because in Trinitarian terms, it postulates personality instead of the very divinity and hyper-essential being of God.
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« Reply #148 on: July 21, 2013, 04:00:28 PM »

The need for such freedom in love is actually requiring proof for faith and conditioning of a hope with miracles, and therefor, instead of Christianity and personality, it contributes us to a depersonalization and disfiguration due to the pride, hypocrisy and ruthlessness of ancient (or contemporary) Hellenes and Jews.

A complete article can be found at the following link of my blog:
http://krotok.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/on-the-subject-of-personality/
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« Reply #149 on: July 21, 2013, 07:34:03 PM »

I don't really get a lot of what you write, but I do enjoy it, the stuff I can sort of comprehend. Please don't stop!
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