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« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2013, 03:05:54 PM »
Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »
Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

Bourgeois slop.
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« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2013, 03:09:37 PM »
Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

Bourgeois slop.

You beat Achronos to it :)

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« Reply #93 on: June 19, 2013, 03:12:39 PM »
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2013, 03:29:00 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
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Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2013, 03:30:05 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.

You left out South Africa and Israel--both sources of excellent avos.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2013, 03:32:53 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?
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« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2013, 03:49:21 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.




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« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2013, 03:51:48 PM »
Is that how Maria gets all her food?
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2013, 03:56:04 PM »
Is that how Maria gets all her food?

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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Lots of folks back East, they say, is leavin' home every day,
Beatin' the hot old dusty way to the California line.
'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of that old dust bowl,
They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find
Now, the police at the port of entry say,
"You're number fourteen thousand for today."

Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi.

You want to buy you a home or a farm, that can't deal nobody harm,
Or take your vacation by the mountains or sea.
Don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are,
Better take this little tip from me.
'Cause I look through the want ads every day
But the headlines on the papers always say:

If you ain't got the do re mi, boys, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #100 on: June 19, 2013, 03:57:03 PM »
I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  ;D
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« Reply #101 on: June 19, 2013, 04:01:13 PM »
I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  ;D

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh ::) ;D.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #102 on: June 19, 2013, 04:01:44 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.




 8)

Yes, a variety of tropical and semi-tropical fruits can be grown in Minnesota if they are grown in hothouses.

Here in California, we can grow them outside.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #103 on: June 19, 2013, 04:03:35 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai
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« Reply #104 on: June 19, 2013, 04:05:01 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.


 8)

Yes, a variety of tropical and semi-tropical fruits can be grown in Minnesota if they are grown in hothouses.

Here in California, we can grow them outside.

Who'd've thunk it ;D?
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« Reply #105 on: June 19, 2013, 04:06:25 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, and Governor Moonbeam.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.
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« Reply #106 on: June 19, 2013, 04:07:07 PM »
I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  ;D

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh ::) ;D.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #107 on: June 19, 2013, 04:11:25 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

With many people walking around intoxicated on drugs or alcohol, they do not mind going to restaurants and eating pre-packaged GMO foods that taste like cardboard. All their senses have been dulled to the point that they actually enjoy eating cardboard.
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Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

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« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2013, 04:15:02 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

They found drugs in Mexico?  :laugh:  I wonder who's buying them?? 8)
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« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2013, 04:16:25 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

With many people walking around intoxicated on drugs or alcohol, they do not mind going to restaurants and eating pre-packaged GMO foods that taste like cardboard. All their senses have been dulled to the point that they actually enjoy eating cardboard.

Hey...don't knock it until you've tried it.  I hear the organic cardboard, with a little Tamari sauce (just a dab, now) is excellent.
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« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2013, 04:17:32 PM »
Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

The last time I ate a meal at CSUN was when I was teaching ESL classes. Their farm-fed GMO-corn rationed salmon tasted simply horrible. Their pre-packaged mashed potatoes had no flavor. Their broccoli was tough or overcooked (take your pick). Flavors and smells were weird. That was the last time I ate at any of the college cafes.

The food was way overpriced; portions were terribly small; and the taste was very unappetizing.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2013, 04:22:05 PM »
I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  ;D

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh ::) ;D.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly

Hey, nobody's perfect.  I heard somewhere that his daughter called him a "commonist" as opposed to a "communist".  Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2013, 04:23:19 PM »
Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

The last time I ate a meal at CSUN was when I was teaching ESL classes. Their farm-fed GMO-corn rationed salmon tasted simply horrible. Their pre-packaged mashed potatoes had no flavor. Their broccoli was tough or overcooked (take your pick). Flavors and smells were weird. That was the last time I ate at any of the college cafes.

The food was way overpriced; portions were terribly small; and the taste was very unappetizing.

You should've ordered the organic cardboard.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #113 on: June 19, 2013, 04:26:01 PM »
I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  ;D

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh ::) ;D.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly

He was.

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2013, 04:29:48 PM »
Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

Calm the passions.

This is one place where a little netodox piety coincides with real justice.

Enjoy "enjoying" (super)food at the expense of the toil of many others. You've earned it after all.

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:15 PM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.

I would have left it at fruits, nuts, and flakes.  The statement wasn't going to get any more glorious.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2013, 07:35:04 AM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
And very decent wine.

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2013, 09:06:50 AM »

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
And very decent wine.

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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2013, 01:57:43 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Are these the same folks that make seeds which produce a product which doesn't produce viable seeds for the next year, causing farmers to be required to purchase their seeds from them again year after year?  

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Imagine that a storm blows across your garden bringing genetically-manipulated seeds into your crops. Next, a multi-national corporation pays you a visit, demands that you surrender your crops and then sues you for $200,000 for the illegal use of patented, GM seeds. In this definitive David and Goliath battle, one farmer stands up against a massive multi-national corporation and their right to claim ownership of a living organism.
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
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Re: ITT: We discuss GMOs and the latest concerns
« Reply #121 on: August 17, 2017, 10:11:26 PM »
My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Women farmers carve suicide free zones

"Some 5,000 Dalit women, from castes once considered "untouchable" in India's now outlawed caste system, are implementing ecologically safe practices that have effectively rendered areas they farm in as "suicide free zones."
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The women from the state's Medak district are showing the way to fight farm failures by avoiding expensive seeds and pesticides using climate-resilient, bio diverse farming practices."
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