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« on: June 16, 2013, 09:01:11 PM »

I know Maria especially has great concern for GMOs and the hazards associated with them.  Up until now, I was skeptical, but after reading this article and seeing the dangers, I have a newfound hatred for Monsanto and the diabolical lengths corporations are going to in order to increase their profit margins.  Shocked

http://www.theonion.com/articles/government-may-restrict-use-of-genetically-modifie,1346/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 10:50:25 PM »

I know Maria especially has great concern for GMOs and the hazards associated with them.  Up until now, I was skeptical, but after reading this article and seeing the dangers, I have a newfound hatred for Monsanto and the diabolical lengths corporations are going to in order to increase their profit margins.  Shocked

http://www.theonion.com/articles/government-may-restrict-use-of-genetically-modifie,1346/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

Thank you for starting this thread. I know that there are some members here who are into "genetic" research where they preform experiments that must make their guardian angels shutter and the demons rejoice.

I was a biology major before becoming a linguist. In the Catholic university I attended, they instilled in us a wholesome respect for life that is missing from Monsanto, Dole, and other chemical monopolies that are dabbling with life and genetics.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 10:55:32 PM »

Is it ok for plants to modify themselves to promote reproduction?
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 10:58:13 PM »

Is it ok for plants to modify themselves to promote reproduction?

Absolutely not.  That is a lie from the pit of hell and Charles Darwin, its chief minion.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 10:58:40 PM »

I know Maria especially has great concern for GMOs and the hazards associated with them.  Up until now, I was skeptical, but after reading this article and seeing the dangers, I have a newfound hatred for Monsanto and the diabolical lengths corporations are going to in order to increase their profit margins.  Shocked

http://www.theonion.com/articles/government-may-restrict-use-of-genetically-modifie,1346/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

Thank you for starting this thread. I know that there are some members here who are into "genetic" research where they preform experiments that must make their guardian angels shutter and the demons rejoice.

I was a biology major before becoming a linguist. In the Catholic university I attended, they instilled in us a wholesome respect for life that is missing from Monsanto, Dole, and other chemical monopolies that are dabbling with life and genetics.

You know I like you, Maria, that is why I like to tease you.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 11:29:26 PM »

Is it ok for plants to modify themselves to promote reproduction?

Normal plant reproduction with the possibility of natural mutation in the wild, natural selection of preferred plants that are beneficial to man, and adaptation or loss of certain plant species due to disease and loss of habitat are ways that plants vary on this earth.

However, when geneticists inject foreign DNA into plants or manipulate the DNA by infecting plants with viruses, life as God created it is not respected. This is unethical.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 11:29:55 PM »

All joking aside, these GMO's are a huge business.

Tell me, why have they not been "tested" prior to use?  Only now that they are "out" there, are labs testing to see their affects on the organisms that ingest them.

I've seen reports of rats developing horrible tumors, fish in rivers becoming unable to reproduce, etc.

There was one report that wildlife even shun the corn, probably due to taste, or smell.

Furthermore, is it true, that there is a law stating that any illness or sickness found to be cause by ingesting these foods, may not be blamed on Monsanto, and Monsanto may not be held responsible.  In other words, no court will ever side with you.

Also, is it true that Monsanto alone controls the majority of the world's food supply?  How did that happen?

I also heard that in Turkey, just this week, thousands of hectares of GMO corn were set ablaze by the government, and that many nations outright ban it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 11:38:10 PM »

All joking aside, these GMO's are a huge business.

Tell me, why have they not been "tested" prior to use?  Only now that they are "out" there, are labs testing to see their affects on the organisms that ingest them.

I've seen reports of rats developing horrible tumors, fish in rivers becoming unable to reproduce, etc.

There was one report that wildlife even shun the corn, probably due to taste, or smell.

Furthermore, is it true, that there is a law stating that any illness or sickness found to be cause by ingesting these foods, may not be blamed on Monsanto, and Monsanto may not be held responsible.  In other words, no court will ever side with you.

Also, is it true that Monsanto alone controls the majority of the world's food supply?  How did that happen?

I also heard that in Turkey, just this week, thousands of hectares of GMO corn were set ablaze by the government, and that many nations outright ban it.


Yes, Lisa, Monsanto is a global monopoly, owns the majority of the world's farms, has the patent on most GMO seeds, has bought out most of the heirloom seed companies, and has legal protection from anti-trust regulations and liability. This situation has become dire and is no laughing matter. By the very fact that Monsanto has become an evil empire unto itself should have people worried.

Why has Monsanto been allowed to become one of the world's largest unregulated monopolies? Is this not a conspiracy of silence?

However, this topic is in Free-for-All, not Politics, so we must attack Monsanto for its unethical practices and not discuss politics and governmental protection.

The very recent find that GMO wheat was found in Organic farmlands in Oregon is very suspicious.
  • Did Monsanto spread its seed or contaminated pollen from airplanes so that these non-GMO crop would become contaminated?
  • If this contamination were deliberate, is it an attempt to take over more land?
  • Or did secret agents from Monsanto spread these seeds at night over the Oregon farmlands?

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2013, 11:42:35 PM »

For my part I wasn't joking. Some plants do act in a way similar to animals, essentially making a decision how and when and where to do things so that it has the best possible procreative outcome. They don't think, or design the outcome in the same ways that humans do, of course, but they've modified themselves nonetheless.

Though I admit that humans messing around with food isn't always a success. We've been modifying bananas for thousands of years, and have made them palatable to most people (unmodified/wild ones aren't), but even after all that tinkering I still don't like them.
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For my part I wasn't joking. Some plants do act in a way similar to animals, essentially making a decision how and when and where to do things so that it has the best possible procreative outcome. They don't think, or design the outcome in the same ways that humans do, of course, but they've modified themselves nonetheless.

Though I admit that humans messing around with food isn't always a success. We've been modifying bananas for thousands of years, and have made them palatable to most people (unmodified/wild ones aren't), but even after all that tinkering I still don't like them.

Natural selection and then human selection have taken its toll on the variation of plant species available to us. However, these are natural modifications.

GMOs are Genetically Modified Organisms that have had foreign DNA inserted into the plant. This foreign DNA matter could be genes from other plants or animals (like rat genes). Again, this is unethical tampering with God's creation.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2013, 11:53:37 PM »


Oh, and what about the gazillion bees dropping dead?

Can you imagine what will happen to the world's food supply if we kill off all our honey bees?

...and it's not the honey that I am worried about, although that would also be a great loss.

I have heard honey is the only food that will never spoil.  Honey found in ancient tombs is still edible and has retained its qualities and taste....although I would not have wanted to be the one tasting it.  Smiley

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Oh, and what about the gazillion bees dropping dead?

Can you imagine what will happen to the world's food supply if we kill off all our honey bees?

...and it's not the honey that I am worried about, although that would also be a great loss.

I have heard honey is the only food that will never spoil.  Honey found in ancient tombs is still edible and has retained its qualities and taste....although I would not have wanted to be the one tasting it.  Smiley



The honey bees are suffering from Bee Colony Collapse which is due to the heavy use of RoundUp (TM) produced by Monsanto.

Worse ...

As weeds become resistant to the pesticide RoundUp (TM), that nasty pesticide has been modified, and continues to be modified.

Oh, worse than worse ...

Studies have shown that pregnant women who are exposed to RoundUp may have a higher incidence of having children with autism. And unfortunately, Monsanto cannot be sued for this terrible birth defect in children.

I have studied what happens to the brains in children with autism. Their neurons do not grow normally.
Since a child's brain continues to develop even after birth, RoundUp could wreck havoc with their brains.

In essence, if RoundUp can be linked with Autism in children, then Monsanto is responsible for the death and disability of millions of children.

Here is the research and the researcher at MIT.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/05/10/new-study-links-monsantos-roundup-to-autism-parkinsons-and-alzheimers/
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This study was conducted by Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff. Stephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received the B.S. degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S. and E.E. degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT.  She has published over 170 refereed articles on these subjects, and has been invited to give keynote speeches at several international conferences. She has also supervised numerous Master’s and PhD theses at MIT. If you have any questions about Glyphosate’s role within the human body, you can contact her at   seneff@csail.mit.edu.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2013, 12:23:35 AM »

Here is an article about the contaminated Oregon wheatfields:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/11/unapproved-gm-wheat.aspx?e_cid=20130616_SNL_MC_1&utm_source=snl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=mc1&utm_campaign=20130616
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As recently reported by CNBC [1] and other media outlets,[2, 3] an unapproved strain of genetically engineered (GE) wheat has been found growing on a farm in Oregon. The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) announced the anomaly on May 29.

As it turns out, the Roundup Ready (i.e. glyphosate-resistant) strain of wheat was developed by Monsanto and field tested in 16 different states between 1998 and 2005.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2013, 12:37:23 AM »

More articles on Monsanto's RoundUp and Autism:

http://www.nationofchange.org/study-links-monsanto-s-roundup-autism-parkinson-s-and-alzheimer-s-1367764115
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Because the CYP pathway is essential for normal functioning of various systems in our bodies, any small change in its expression can lead to disruptions. For example, humans exposed to glyphosate have decreased levels of the amino acid tryptophan, which is necessary for active signaling of the neurotransmitter serotonin. Suppressed serotonin levels have been associated with weight gain, depression and Alzheimer’s disease.

And I remember years ago that salespersons for Monsanto would actually drink a little RoundUp to prove that it was safe.

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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2013, 12:41:33 AM »

As much as there is criticize about the monsantos of the world, the sorta nonsense being posted in this thread takes away from the troubling aspects of such corporations and relies upon a reactionary and rather privileged bourgeois ideology.

Really, Maria is posting what amounts to what in previous times would have only found its way into the pages of the World Weekly News or the minutes of a John Birch Society meeting. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 12:43:51 AM »

Why would Monsanto want Americans and others throughout the world fat, depressed / mentally ill and senile?  Sounds to me that Monsanto is asking God to "sift" the world and God is allowing Monsanto to "sift" the world.  So if someone drank a six pack of Monsanto Roundup and wasn't fat, depressed / mentally ill and/or senile, isn't that a miracle?
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 12:44:20 AM »

I have worked with Autistic children. Their parents are devastated.
Monsanto simply cares about their profits, not the children of this world.

Here is another link about autism and Monsanto's Roundup that shows an interesting correlation:
http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/

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When we take into account of the significant increase in Autism, something very profound emerges.
One in 150 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in 2007
One in 100 kids were diagnosed Autism Spectrum in 2009
One in 50 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in Mar. 2013.
The rate was 1 in 10,000 in 1970.

Read more at http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/#IZyt50zEbKWYRxKQ.99
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Oh, and what about the gazillion bees dropping dead?

Can you imagine what will happen to the world's food supply if we kill off all our honey bees?

...and it's not the honey that I am worried about, although that would also be a great loss.

I have heard honey is the only food that will never spoil.  Honey found in ancient tombs is still edible and has retained its qualities and taste....although I would not have wanted to be the one tasting it.  Smiley



Honey is capable of spoilage to be sure. However the bulk of a large amount of honey is relatively immune to most mico infection due to its near lack of water content.

Oh and that bees dying off stuff? Its looks like it was a bit of an overstatement.

The honeybees are as active as ever around here and from I've heard or read in material meant for the general public are doing OK in most places.
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Here is another link about autism and Monsanto's Roundup that shows an interesting correlation:
http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/

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When we take into account of the significant increase in Autism, something very profound emerges.
One in 150 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in 2007
One in 100 kids were diagnosed Autism Spectrum in 2009
One in 50 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in Mar. 2013.
The rate was 1 in 10,000 in 1970.

Read more at http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/#IZyt50zEbKWYRxKQ.99

You should see how many more kids had ADHD in 1990 than in 1950.

You should also see which socio-economic classes these disorders primarily affect. It can't be possibly due to neurotic, hyperviligant parents with the Does my Kid have Autism app running 24 / 7 on their iPhone that could be increasing these numbers . . .
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2013, 12:55:05 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 12:59:03 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 01:00:44 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.

Of course not and neither are frogs.  I saw a frog and a bee yesterday; therefore, they are fine.  However, I haven't seen a polar bear around here so they certainly are endangered.  Ignore any evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2013, 01:03:42 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.

In 2012, there was a poor almond crop in California due to Bee Colony Collapse.
The 2013 almond production in Bakersfield was threatened this year due to a lack of honeybees.
Only a change in weather saved the crop as that delayed the need for the honeybees.
The bees that the farmers had ordered prior to the weather change had arrived DOA due to colony collapse.
Bee farmers in Florida literally saved the day.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2013, 01:05:30 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder

This and a basic google search will show the that the large scale colonies agribusiness is using are dying still at unprecedented rates and that the US with its more continual liberal usage allotments for pesticides hasn't the seen the relief that many European countries have after enacting pestide reform laws.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2013, 01:05:49 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Yes, cellphones can harm honeybees, but how many cellphones are found on farms where the honeybees are buzzing about? Besides, you are way off topic.
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2013, 01:06:29 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.

In 2012, there was a poor almond crop in California due to Bee Colony Collapse.
The 2013 almond production in Bakersfield was threatened this year due to a lack of honeybees.
Only a change in weather saved the crop as that delayed the need for the honeybees.
The bees that the farmers had ordered prior to the weather change had arrived DOA due to colony collapse.
Bee farmers in Florida literally saved the day.

But again, even if the bees are dying due to "pesticide" you don't understand how yours and marcs approach to diet help fuel such problems to begin with.
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2013, 01:07:25 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2013, 01:07:39 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Yes, cellphones can harm honeybees, but how many cellphones are found on farms where the honeybees are buzzing about? Besides, you are way off topic.

Not really. And the sentence above shows some basic flaws in you ability to reason.
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2013, 01:07:59 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.

In 2012, there was a poor almond crop in California due to Bee Colony Collapse.
The 2013 almond production in Bakersfield was threatened this year due to a lack of honeybees.
Only a change in weather saved the crop as that delayed the need for the honeybees.
The bees that the farmers had ordered prior to the weather change had arrived DOA due to colony collapse.
Bee farmers in Florida literally saved the day.

But again, even if the bees are dying due to "pesticide" you don't understand how yours and marcs approach to diet help fuel such problems to begin with.

Again, way off topic.
I am ignoring your posts unless you can start posting on topic.
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2013, 01:08:41 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.

You are having difficulty reading as well as thinking.
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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2013, 01:11:16 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.

In 2012, there was a poor almond crop in California due to Bee Colony Collapse.
The 2013 almond production in Bakersfield was threatened this year due to a lack of honeybees.
Only a change in weather saved the crop as that delayed the need for the honeybees.
The bees that the farmers had ordered prior to the weather change had arrived DOA due to colony collapse.
Bee farmers in Florida literally saved the day.

But again, even if the bees are dying due to "pesticide" you don't understand how yours and marcs approach to diet help fuel such problems to begin with.

Again, way off topic.

Not really, but then what was the topic? It seems as though it was an attempt to lampoon your thoughts about "GMOs" and Monsanto.

You did read the article cited?
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2013, 01:18:40 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.

orthonorm is saying the same thing about you when you link Monsanto to autism and blame Monsanto for the deaths of millions of children from autism.
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2013, 01:27:01 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.

orthonorm is saying the same thing about you when you link Monsanto to autism and blame Monsanto for the deaths of millions of children from autism.

Guess no one really cares about research that shows Monsanto's Roundup is not safe, and that the chemicals in it do cause imbalances. Not only is depression and autism linked to Roundup, but also bee colony collapse.

If you feel it is safe, then go and drink a glass and then tell us how you feel a year from now.
I would not give Roundup to my dog to drink.
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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2013, 01:38:12 AM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.

orthonorm is saying the same thing about you when you link Monsanto to autism and blame Monsanto for the deaths of millions of children from autism.

Guess no one really cares about research that shows Monsanto's Roundup is not safe,

A lot of things in life aren't safe.

and that the chemicals in it do cause imbalances. Not only is depression and autism linked to Roundup, but also bee colony collapse.

Without any solid academic foundation other than the rantings and ravings of people affected by "autism" or "leaky gut disorder."

If you feel it is safe, then go and drink a glass and then tell us how you feel a year from now.
I would not give Roundup to my dog to drink.

I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).
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I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).

If you are drinking Super Big Gulp with High Fructose Corn Syrup, then you are drinking a sugar that is a roundup ready crop. HFCS has been linked with Diabetes. Again, I would not give that drink to my dog.
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I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).

If you are drinking Super Big Gulp with High Fructose Corn Syrup, then you are drinking a sugar that is a roundup ready crop. HFCS has been linked with Diabetes. Again, I would not give that drink to my dog.

My blood Glucose levels are in the normal range.
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I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).

If you are drinking Super Big Gulp with High Fructose Corn Syrup, then you are drinking a sugar that is a roundup ready crop. HFCS has been linked with Diabetes. Again, I would not give that drink to my dog.

My blood Glucose levels are in the normal range.

Oh, yeah, for how long?

And what is normal?

Fasting blood glucose does not tell the entire picture.
Have you had any other blood tests to see what possible damage has been done for all the years you have been ingesting excess sugars especially HFCS?
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I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).

If you are drinking Super Big Gulp with High Fructose Corn Syrup, then you are drinking a sugar that is a roundup ready crop. HFCS has been linked with Diabetes. Again, I would not give that drink to my dog.

My blood Glucose levels are in the normal range.

Oh, yeah, for how long?

And what is normal?

Fasting blood glucose does not tell the entire picture.
Have you had any other blood tests to see what possible damage has been done for all the years you have been ingesting excess sugars especially HFCS?

I'm in good health.  I don't need other blood tests.
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I would not use The Onion site to backup an argument. In case people are not aware.....

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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2013, 08:00:54 AM »

I think that aspartame ("nutra-sweet") is far worse as a sweetener.  When I was young I started drinking it and was diagnosed as having temporal lobe epilepsy.  I stopped drinking pop and stopped having neurological problems - seizures, visual disturbances, panic attacks etc.  I participated in a study at Beth Israel hospital in Boston, and the neurologist(s) said I had no problems at all, other than the ones caused by aspartame.  So avoiding corn syrup by consuming aspartame is a frying pan into the fire move. 

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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2013, 08:02:47 AM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2013, 08:06:04 AM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin

You assume too much: that it was in the onion (you didn't mask your link with text) was sort of a giveaway before even going to the article...  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2013, 10:11:33 AM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin

You assume too much: that it was in the onion (you didn't mask your link with text) was sort of a giveaway before even going to the article...  Wink

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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2013, 10:13:31 AM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin

You assume too much: that it was in the onion (you didn't mask your link with text) was sort of a giveaway before even going to the article...  Wink

Some people are all too eager to miss giveaways. Grin

I saw it, seeing as I usually read at least the first post.  But I think the resulting conversation has been interesting even if it has been more serious than the OP.
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2013, 10:15:17 AM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin

Uhhhh . . . it took one glance.

Maria doesn't let even The Onion get in her way.

Nice trolling. Just trying to up the ante.
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I left it with the Onion tag on it because I figured people would not read it if it looked like a serious article.  Apparently even when it is a spoof article, people still don't read it.

I love Maria.  She is so hardcore about Monsanto.  It is like Rachel with sola scriptura except Maria knows more about what she is talking about.  I want to send her a Monsanto t-shirt just like the guy in the pic.  Grin
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Coincidence does not equal causation. I can throw up stats comparing the rise of autism with the rise of computers. It doesn't mean that Computers caused Autism.

Do I think Monsanto gets a pass? Sure they do. From "both" political parties. Follow the money.
Do I think GMO's could be harmful? Maybe they are, maybe they arent.
Do I think that Americans on the whole have crappy diets and are fat and diabetic because they sit in front of a computer all day, have an ever increasingly sedentary lifestyle, and constantly try BS fad diets, which wreck themselves and blame anyone or anything that is handily nearby? Yeppers.

Its one thing to say that a company like Monsanto doesn't get the oversight and regulation that they do, especially since they wield so much power. Its an entirely different thing to accuse them of knowingly promoting death for the bottom line. That is B-class video game material.

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Its an entirely different thing to accuse them of knowingly promoting death for the bottom line.

Oh they most certainly do. This is not news. It is the price of profit in any industry.

Accuracy for the sake of precision is often false consciousness however.
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I'd be interested in reading some evidence on this. I did read a study about Monsanto, but the ones who funded it weren't exactly what I would call unbiased.
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I'd be interested in reading some evidence on this. I did read a study about Monsanto, but the ones who funded it weren't exactly what I would call unbiased.

I find the whole notion of knowingly promoting death being the "price of profit in any industry" quite intriguing, to say the least.
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Quote from: orthonorm link=topic=51974.msg939242#msg939242 date=1371444DEM-S
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Here is another link about autism and Monsanto's Roundup that shows an interesting correlation:
http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/

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When we take into account of the significant increase in Autism, something very profound emerges.
One in 150 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in 2007
One in 100 kids were diagnosed Autism Spectrum in 2009
One in 50 kids were diagnosed on Autism Spectrum in Mar. 2013.
The rate was 1 in 10,000 in 1970.

Read more at http://naturalrevolution.org/monsantos-roundup-confirmed-links-to-autism-parkinsons-and-cancer/#IZyt50zEbKWYRxKQ.99

You should see how many more kids had ADHD in 1990 than in 1950.

You should also see which socio-economic classes these disorders primarily affect. It can't be possibly due to neurotic, hyperviligant parents with the Does my Kid have Autism app running 24 / 7 on their iPhone that could be increasing these numbers . . .
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Not to mention definitional changes in diagnostic guidelines between the DSM-1 and the DSM - 6.
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I'd be interested in reading some evidence on this. I did read a study about Monsanto, but the ones who funded it weren't exactly what I would call unbiased.

Same goes for the never ending fracking debate around the USA.
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I'd be interested in reading some evidence on this. I did read a study about Monsanto, but the ones who funded it weren't exactly what I would call unbiased.

Same goes for the never ending fracking debate around the USA.
Very true.

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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2013, 04:08:49 PM »

LOL!!!  I posted a ridiculous article with a pic of a 20 ft guy that has plowblades for arms and a monsanto shirt on, and it took 30 posts before anyone even noticed that it was not a serious article.

Carry on.  Grin

I considered it a joke ... and a bad joke at that. So I did not comment.
Others hinted at the Onion joke, Liza among them.
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Coincidence does not equal causation. I can throw up stats comparing the rise of autism with the rise of computers. It doesn't mean that Computers caused Autism.

Do I think Monsanto gets a pass? Sure they do. From "both" political parties. Follow the money.
Do I think GMO's could be harmful? Maybe they are, maybe they arent.
Do I think that Americans on the whole have crappy diets and are fat and diabetic because they sit in front of a computer all day, have an ever increasingly sedentary lifestyle, and constantly try BS fad diets, which wreck themselves and blame anyone or anything that is handily nearby? Yeppers.

Its one thing to say that a company like Monsanto doesn't get the oversight and regulation that they do, especially since they wield so much power. Its an entirely different thing to accuse them of knowingly promoting death for the bottom line. That is B-class video game material.

PP

Monsanto has not done any serious scientific research to see what effect RoundUp has on the environment including lethal dosages, which are mandated on any other chemicals. In addition, no long term studies have been done on GMOs. Recently, rats were studied beyond the 8 week mark that Monsanto has used in their studies. These rats developed huge cancerous tumors when exposed to GMO foods. RoundUp herbicides were also studied independently from Monsanto labs and were shown to have adverse neurological and homeostasis effects.

Yes, please follow the money. Both Demos and Reps are having their campaigns largely financed by Monsanto. Conflicts of interest abound. Look at who has been employed by Monsanto, including the current FDA chief.

It is a shame that people do not want to see the ugly truth about Monsanto. They would rather bury their heads in the sand like an ostrich.
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No, but other groups have, and its not good for RoundUp.

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In addition, no long term studies have been done on GMOs. Recently, rats were studied beyond the 8 week mark that Monsanto has used in their studies. These rats developed huge cancerous tumors when exposed to GMO foods. RoundUp herbicides were also studied independently from Monsanto labs and were shown to have adverse neurological and homeostasis effects
The study you reference has even been criticized by advocates against Monsanto, as the study was done with incredible amounts of incompetence.

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I know that, which is why I stated I wanted an independent, thorough study. Something neither side, nor the Government can do. You'd probably have to go to a private research university like Duke or Vanderbilt or somewhere outside of the country (except France, who did that initial test).

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No, I just refuse to play into this hyper-reactionary nonsense just because Monsanto is the new fashionable outrage.

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No, but other groups have, and its not good for RoundUp.

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I just refuse to play into this hyper-reactionary nonsense just because Monsanto is the new fashionable outrage.

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You have just contradicted yourself. In the first paragraph you concede that RoundUP is not good, but in the last paragraph, you call attacks against RoundUP (read: Monsanto) "hyper-reactionary nonsense."

Thus, you are accusing yourself of being hyper-reactionary and full of nonsense. Good job!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2013, 05:20:09 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.
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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

James you are not far from the truth.
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Coincidence does not equal causation. I can throw up stats comparing the rise of autism with the rise of computers. It doesn't mean that Computers caused Autism.

Do I think Monsanto gets a pass? Sure they do. From "both" political parties. Follow the money.
Do I think GMO's could be harmful? Maybe they are, maybe they arent.
Do I think that Americans on the whole have crappy diets and are fat and diabetic because they sit in front of a computer all day, have an ever increasingly sedentary lifestyle, and constantly try BS fad diets, which wreck themselves and blame anyone or anything that is handily nearby? Yeppers.

Its one thing to say that a company like Monsanto doesn't get the oversight and regulation that they do, especially since they wield so much power. Its an entirely different thing to accuse them of knowingly promoting death for the bottom line. That is B-class video game material.

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Monsanto has not done any serious scientific research to see what effect RoundUp has on the environment including lethal dosages, which are mandated on any other chemicals. In addition, no long term studies have been done on GMOs. Recently, rats were studied beyond the 8 week mark that Monsanto has used in their studies. These rats developed huge cancerous tumors when exposed to GMO foods. RoundUp herbicides were also studied independently from Monsanto labs and were shown to have adverse neurological and homeostasis effects.

Yes, please follow the money. Both Demos and Reps are having their campaigns largely financed by Monsanto. Conflicts of interest abound. Look at who has been employed by Monsanto, including the current FDA chief.

It is a shame that people do not want to see the ugly truth about Monsanto. They would rather bury their heads in the sand like an ostrich.

There are uglier truths which often are allowed to function because we believe we are confronting the truly ugly truth.

It is called ideology.
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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.

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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


If farmers were paid to farm instead of not to farm there would be more than enough food and the prices wouldn't be artificially inflated.  And since America gives more charity and food away the the rest of the world combined, the hungry kid picture in Africa falls flat in effectiveness.
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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2013, 08:11:44 PM »

Ha ha!  There's an app for that!!!

Well, I hope the bees really aren't dying off, as it was said.


Maybe they were, but everything was to blame for it at the time from cellphones, roundup, DARPA, etc.

Let's see what google says, if I can find anything.

Again, way off topic.

What has DARPA to do with anything ... now you are sounding off false alarms and sounding like a tin-foil hat person.

orthonorm is saying the same thing about you when you link Monsanto to autism and blame Monsanto for the deaths of millions of children from autism.

Guess no one really cares about research that shows Monsanto's Roundup is not safe,

A lot of things in life aren't safe.

and that the chemicals in it do cause imbalances. Not only is depression and autism linked to Roundup, but also bee colony collapse.

Without any solid academic foundation other than the rantings and ravings of people affected by "autism" or "leaky gut disorder."

If you feel it is safe, then go and drink a glass and then tell us how you feel a year from now.
I would not give Roundup to my dog to drink.

I don't drink pesticides.  I know Coke and Pepsi aren't good for me; however, I drink them in moderation (e.g. a rare Super Big Gulp from 7-11).

RoundUp is advertised by Monsanto as an herbicide (a poison that kills herbs and weeds), not a pesticide (a poison that kills insects and/or rats). Roundup Ready GMO crops are those crops which can tolerate massive doses of RoundUp to kill off "weeds" such as milk thistle. Incidentally, milk thistle is very important in the life cycle of the Monarch butterfly, and the Monarch butterfly is one casualty of Monsanto's campaign to rid the earth of weeds and create GMO crops.

Many GMO plants have foreign DNA inserted into their genome by mad geneticists. Some of these foreign DNA genes enable the plant to repel and or kill insects. Since many GMO plants are insecticidal by design, whenever you eat a GMO crop such as corn, soy, or papaya, you may also be ingesting pesticides.

Monsanto has been lying when they say that RoundUp is not a pesticide. If the GMO crops are pesticidal and can also kill rats, what happens when a human (read rat) eats a GMO crop?
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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2013, 08:15:21 PM »

And to think, we once scoffed the "organic" folks.  Not so much anymore.
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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2013, 08:18:02 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.
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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.
I always enjoy side of the road farmer markets.  Usually fresh picked that day by local farmers.
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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2013, 08:23:51 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2013, 08:25:40 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.
I always enjoy side of the road farmer markets.  Usually fresh picked that day by local farmers.

I also enjoy farmers' markets. In Hawaii on the big island, there is a Farmers' Market in Kona where people can find lots of organic produce. They are delicious.
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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Are these the same folks that make seeds which produce a product which doesn't produce viable seeds for the next year, causing farmers to be required to purchase their seeds from them again year after year?  
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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2013, 08:30:50 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Are these the same folks that make seeds which produce a product which doesn't produce viable seeds for the next year, causing farmers to be required to purchase their seeds from them again year after year?  

Yes.

However, the GMO crop does produce viable seeds. Incidentally, there was a farmer who just lost a lawsuit to Monsanto for collecting these viable seeds and planting his next crop. That is a serious violation of Monsanto's contract for using their patented seeds. So, the farmer had to pay a hefty fine to Monsanto.

Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smiling.

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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Are these the same folks that make seeds which produce a product which doesn't produce viable seeds for the next year, causing farmers to be required to purchase their seeds from them again year after year?  

Yes.

However, the GMO crop does produce viable seeds. Incidentally, there was a farmer who just lost a lawsuit to Monsanto for collecting these viable seeds and planting his next crop. That is a serious violation of Monsanto's contract for using their patented seeds. So, the farmer had to pay a hefty fine to Monsanto.

Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smiling.


It wouldn't surprise me.  I'm a strong supporter of the average farmer.  Both sides of my family were farmers.  Then again, I'm a strong supporter of any local business.
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I like blueberries Smiley Has Monsanto done anything to pollute them yet?
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Monsanto has not done any serious scientific research to see what effect RoundUp has on the environment including lethal dosages, which are mandated on any other chemicals
No, but other groups have, and its not good for RoundUp.

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I just refuse to play into this hyper-reactionary nonsense just because Monsanto is the new fashionable outrage.

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You have just contradicted yourself. In the first paragraph you concede that RoundUP is not good, but in the last paragraph, you call attacks against RoundUP (read: Monsanto) "hyper-reactionary nonsense."

Thus, you are accusing yourself of being hyper-reactionary and full of nonsense. Good job!  Roll Eyes
I said something about a study of RoundUp, which stated it was not a good product, which is different IMO than attacking the entire corporation. Its like saying ALL of General Mills Cereals is evil because Capn Crunch sucks....and yes, you are being hyper-reactionary as your silly comment proved.

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.
James hit the nail on the head. This is the real reason companies like Monsanto and McDonalds will NEVER go away. The healthy stuff is way too expensive.

I remember reading an article about Michele Obama wanting to create more places in inner cities where healthy food is available, but the article never once stated anything about making it more affordable.

Case in point: I make ALOT of food and sauces from scratch. So I want to make a red sauce and go to get tomatoes. "Organic" Tomatoes, $1.98/lb, "regular" tomatoes, $0.88/lb. Thats a huge difference. Now Im not a very rich guy, but I also dont live in a box. If I turn away from it, there's NO way a single mom with 5 kids on stamps is going to buy it.

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Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smilin
Of course they do. They are a corporation in bed with politicians. We're still under this haze where we believe the political parties are different. They're BOTH in bed with corporations. Just ask Apple and their slave drivers, the Chinese.

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Again, I ask is there an independent study showing this?

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Case in point: I make ALOT of food and sauces from scratch. So I want to make a red sauce and go to get tomatoes. "Organic" Tomatoes, $1.98/lb, "regular" tomatoes, $0.88/lb. Thats a huge difference. Now Im not a very rich guy, but I also dont live in a box. If I turn away from it, there's NO way a single mom with 5 kids on stamps is going to buy it.

Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smiling.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops

Of course they do. They are a corporation in bed with politicians. We're still under this haze where we believe the political parties are different. They're BOTH in bed with corporations. Just ask Apple and their slave drivers, the Chinese.

PP

PP, I have been saying all along that the Reps and Demos are in bed with Monsanto.
This is criminal and a conflict of interest.
The person in charge of the FDA is a former employee of Monsanto.

Independent studies?  Roll Eyes

Yes, Monsanto's own studies are biased and cannot be trusted.

The real world is now a laboratory for independent studies done by GMO farmers worldwide who are not making a profit. Non-GMO farmers both organic farmers and non-organic farmers are making a better profit as they do not mandated under contract to use the over-priced RoundUp and other chemicals needed to keep the constantly mutating weeds from taking over the so-called RoundUp ready crop.

PP have you ever studied the flawed theory behind Round-Up Ready GMO crops?
These GMO crops are engineered by DNA manipulation to make them more resistant to RoundUp and insects/rats who would like to feed on them.

HINT: If insects and rats find GMO crops offensive and/or deadly, how can these GMO crops be good for humans, especially if they are regularly dosed with RoundUp and other chemicals.

It would be better for you, PP, to eat non-GMO produce and you can find those at TJs for a lower price than the non-GMO organic produce also offered at TJs. Ralphs, Vons, and Safeway do not tell you if their produce is GMO or non-GMO. They simply do not give you a choice. However, the buyers at TJs are more careful and will not knowingly allow GMO produce on their shelves.
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« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2013, 02:25:52 PM »

And to think, we once scoffed the "organic" folks.  Not so much anymore.

No I still do. No need to throw the bathwater out with the baby.
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« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2013, 02:27:45 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.
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My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.

These are different issues than the reactionary bourgeois health concerns you have. Again, as I said here or elsewhere, profit is blood.

But to pretend Monsanto is a "bad" corporation and that Trader Joe's is somehow much different is to fall into pure ideology which allow both to function quite well.
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Case in point: I make ALOT of food and sauces from scratch. So I want to make a red sauce and go to get tomatoes. "Organic" Tomatoes, $1.98/lb, "regular" tomatoes, $0.88/lb. Thats a huge difference. Now Im not a very rich guy, but I also dont live in a box. If I turn away from it, there's NO way a single mom with 5 kids on stamps is going to buy it.

Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smiling.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops

Of course they do. They are a corporation in bed with politicians. We're still under this haze where we believe the political parties are different. They're BOTH in bed with corporations. Just ask Apple and their slave drivers, the Chinese.

PP

PP, I have been saying all along that the Reps and Demos are in bed with Monsanto.
This is criminal and a conflict of interest.
The person in charge of the FDA is a former employee of Monsanto.


You have no idea who every corporation engages in such practices and would engage in exactly the same practices as Monsanto if they could to turn a buck. Period.

Singling out corporations in some ideological manner is nonsense. Take a look at the Fortune 50's boards of directors. Then get back to me.
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HINT: If insects and rats find GMO crops offensive and/or deadly

So you advocate imploding the global food supply chain and go back to hunting and gathering a large scale?

HINT: Agriculture = herbicide and pesticide.
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Independent studies?  Roll Eyes

There is no such thing as an independent study. No such thing. Not at least in the naive manner that most hoi polloi rant about having.

For someone who studied science and I would guess has some experience with how "science" works within the consumer product industry, you seem a bit out of touch with the process of bringing any product to market.

You wouldn't happen to be against the FDA as well like marc, would you? I need to laugh a little bit more today.
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I remember reading an article about Michele Obama wanting to create more places in inner cities where healthy food is available, but the article never once stated anything about making it more affordable.

I have a lot to say here as I sit literally on the line drawn here. I live in an incredibly impoverished neighborhood which ISN'T a food desert. We have a Kroger AND one of the countries oldest "farmer's markets".

And we have the typical liberal / organic folks trying to grow food to support people.

People have a lot of stuff backwards in this country when it comes to health, particularly how to deliver health foods to people.

We just need more freezers and shelf for frozen and canned vegetables. That's it. You have to keep in mind that most people pushing this anti-GMO or "organic" food nonsense have a lot of bizarre notions about food:

Paleo
Raw
Vegan
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Oh well, we can discuss this in a more nuanced manner here or elsewhere.

Really the problem with most of the more liberal attempts to redress food issues in America are bourgeois and reactionary. Growing your own food. Why do we work?

Again, most of this talk, outside highlighting how Monsanto and other corporations kill human for profits, is nothing more than a politically correct way to discuss your class. Growing your own food or shopping at these ridiculous places means you have:

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Leisure

Which means you engaged in class rhetoric.

Beans, rice, frozen brussel sprouts, etc. What else do you need? And yeah, I literally have lived pretty much off that combo at times which some spinach tossed in.

I bought precooked beans. Cheap. Quick rice. Frozen veggies. With a microwave and a single pot, I am eating for almost nothing. If I wanted to cook my beans myself I could save a few more cents.

Really, I getting sick of the food politics.

Capitalism has offered effective methods of centralized food distribution. Let's not shuck that for the classist notions of "health" or the reactionary notions of "home cooked meals" and "growing your own food".
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And to think, we once scoffed the "organic" folks.  Not so much anymore.

No I still do. No need to throw the bathwater out with the baby.

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« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2013, 02:54:29 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

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« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2013, 02:56:38 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.

These are different issues than the reactionary bourgeois health concerns you have. Again, as I said here or elsewhere, profit is blood.

But to pretend Monsanto is a "bad" corporation and that Trader Joe's is somehow much different is to fall into pure ideology which allow both to function quite well.

+1 (Though still awaiting a [clear, simple, concise] explanation about how all profit is blood and kills humans.)
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« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2013, 02:57:06 PM »


Case in point: I make ALOT of food and sauces from scratch. So I want to make a red sauce and go to get tomatoes. "Organic" Tomatoes, $1.98/lb, "regular" tomatoes, $0.88/lb. Thats a huge difference. Now Im not a very rich guy, but I also dont live in a box. If I turn away from it, there's NO way a single mom with 5 kids on stamps is going to buy it.

Yes, every year, the GMO farmers must sign a new contract with Monsanto, pay higher prices for the Monsanto seeds, and pay higher prices for the herbicide RoundUp and other recommended pesticides.
You would not believe all the chemicals that are mandatory for a GMO farmer. He barely makes any profits. Monsanto always profits and walks away smiling.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops

Of course they do. They are a corporation in bed with politicians. We're still under this haze where we believe the political parties are different. They're BOTH in bed with corporations. Just ask Apple and their slave drivers, the Chinese.

PP

PP, I have been saying all along that the Reps and Demos are in bed with Monsanto.
This is criminal and a conflict of interest.
The person in charge of the FDA is a former employee of Monsanto.


You have no idea who every corporation engages in such practices and would engage in exactly the same practices as Monsanto if they could to turn a buck. Period.

Singling out corporations in some ideological manner is nonsense. Take a look at the Fortune 50's boards of directors. Then get back to me.

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« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2013, 02:57:26 PM »

HINT: If insects and rats find GMO crops offensive and/or deadly

So you advocate imploding the global food supply chain and go back to hunting and gathering a large scale?

HINT: Agriculture = herbicide and pesticide.

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« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2013, 02:57:48 PM »

Independent studies?  Roll Eyes

There is no such thing as an independent study. No such thing. Not at least in the naive manner that most hoi polloi rant about having.

For someone who studied science and I would guess has some experience with how "science" works within the consumer product industry, you seem a bit out of touch with the process of bringing any product to market.

You wouldn't happen to be against the FDA as well like marc, would you? I need to laugh a little bit more today.

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« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2013, 02:58:47 PM »

I remember reading an article about Michele Obama wanting to create more places in inner cities where healthy food is available, but the article never once stated anything about making it more affordable.

I have a lot to say here as I sit literally on the line drawn here. I live in an incredibly impoverished neighborhood which ISN'T a food desert. We have a Kroger AND one of the countries oldest "farmer's markets".

And we have the typical liberal / organic folks trying to grow food to support people.

People have a lot of stuff backwards in this country when it comes to health, particularly how to deliver health foods to people.

We just need more freezers and shelf for frozen and canned vegetables. That's it. You have to keep in mind that most people pushing this anti-GMO or "organic" food nonsense have a lot of bizarre notions about food:

Paleo
Raw
Vegan
Slow
etc.

Oh well, we can discuss this in a more nuanced manner here or elsewhere.

Really the problem with most of the more liberal attempts to redress food issues in America are bourgeois and reactionary. Growing your own food. Why do we work?

Again, most of this talk, outside highlighting how Monsanto and other corporations kill human for profits, is nothing more than a politically correct way to discuss your class. Growing your own food or shopping at these ridiculous places means you have:

Money
or
Leisure

Which means you engaged in class rhetoric.

Beans, rice, frozen brussel sprouts, etc. What else do you need? And yeah, I literally have lived pretty much off that combo at times which some spinach tossed in.

I bought precooked beans. Cheap. Quick rice. Frozen veggies. With a microwave and a single pot, I am eating for almost nothing. If I wanted to cook my beans myself I could save a few more cents.

Really, I getting sick of the food politics.

Capitalism has offered effective methods of centralized food distribution. Let's not shuck that for the classist notions of "health" or the reactionary notions of "home cooked meals" and "growing your own food".

And, finally.........................+1

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Are Bush's baked beans any good?
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« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2013, 03:05:31 PM »

Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Yes! (But they'll give you wishy-washy pseudo-conservative, invasive farts Grin Grin)
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Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...
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« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »

Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

Bourgeois slop.
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Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

Bourgeois slop.

You beat Achronos to it Smiley
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Are Bush's baked beans any good?

Not as good as Amy's chili and soups...

Bourgeois slop.
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« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2013, 03:29:00 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
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« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2013, 03:30:05 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.

You left out South Africa and Israel--both sources of excellent avos.
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« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2013, 03:32:53 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?
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« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2013, 03:49:21 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.




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Is that how Maria gets all her food?
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Is that how Maria gets all her food?

Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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Beatin' the hot old dusty way to the California line.
'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of that old dust bowl,
They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find
Now, the police at the port of entry say,
"You're number fourteen thousand for today."

Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi.

You want to buy you a home or a farm, that can't deal nobody harm,
Or take your vacation by the mountains or sea.
Don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are,
Better take this little tip from me.
'Cause I look through the want ads every day
But the headlines on the papers always say:

If you ain't got the do re mi, boys, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
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I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  Grin
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I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  Grin

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh Roll Eyes Grin.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
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« Reply #102 on: June 19, 2013, 04:01:44 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.




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Yes, a variety of tropical and semi-tropical fruits can be grown in Minnesota if they are grown in hothouses.

Here in California, we can grow them outside.
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Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
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« Reply #104 on: June 19, 2013, 04:05:01 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

Have you even visited Trader Joes, James?

I shop there regularly, and whenever I go to Safeway, Vons, or one of the other chains, their prices are always higher and their produce tends to be rotten.

Price their eggs. Safeway and Vons charge much more for their eggs than does TJ.
I get avocados at a lower cost at TJ than I do at Smart and Final.
Avocados and fruit are very costly at Costco.

Perhaps you are confusing TJs with Whole Foods Market.

Yeah, buying avocados in Minnesota makes sense in terms of supply chain security and health and environmental impact. Now if you cultivate an avotato, let me know.

Minnesota does not grow avocados. Mexico is the source of most of the world's avocados. Hawaii also produces them as does California. So, yes, we grow our own avocados here in Los Angeles.
How about bananas?

Both bananas and avos can be grown in Minnesota.


 Cool

Yes, a variety of tropical and semi-tropical fruits can be grown in Minnesota if they are grown in hothouses.

Here in California, we can grow them outside.

Who'd've thunk it Grin?
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Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, and Governor Moonbeam.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.
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I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  Grin

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh Roll Eyes Grin.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly
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Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

With many people walking around intoxicated on drugs or alcohol, they do not mind going to restaurants and eating pre-packaged GMO foods that taste like cardboard. All their senses have been dulled to the point that they actually enjoy eating cardboard.
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« Reply #108 on: June 19, 2013, 04:15:02 PM »


Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

They found drugs in Mexico?  laugh  I wonder who's buying them?? Cool
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« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2013, 04:16:25 PM »


Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth and moonbeams.

Are you lucky, or what?  Must be all those vortices out there.

No, proximity to Mexico with all the drugs found there.

With many people walking around intoxicated on drugs or alcohol, they do not mind going to restaurants and eating pre-packaged GMO foods that taste like cardboard. All their senses have been dulled to the point that they actually enjoy eating cardboard.

Hey...don't knock it until you've tried it.  I hear the organic cardboard, with a little Tamari sauce (just a dab, now) is excellent.
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« Reply #110 on: June 19, 2013, 04:17:32 PM »

Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

The last time I ate a meal at CSUN was when I was teaching ESL classes. Their farm-fed GMO-corn rationed salmon tasted simply horrible. Their pre-packaged mashed potatoes had no flavor. Their broccoli was tough or overcooked (take your pick). Flavors and smells were weird. That was the last time I ate at any of the college cafes.

The food was way overpriced; portions were terribly small; and the taste was very unappetizing.
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« Reply #111 on: June 19, 2013, 04:22:05 PM »

I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  Grin

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh Roll Eyes Grin.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly

Hey, nobody's perfect.  I heard somewhere that his daughter called him a "commonist" as opposed to a "communist".  Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #112 on: June 19, 2013, 04:23:19 PM »

Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

The last time I ate a meal at CSUN was when I was teaching ESL classes. Their farm-fed GMO-corn rationed salmon tasted simply horrible. Their pre-packaged mashed potatoes had no flavor. Their broccoli was tough or overcooked (take your pick). Flavors and smells were weird. That was the last time I ate at any of the college cafes.

The food was way overpriced; portions were terribly small; and the taste was very unappetizing.

You should've ordered the organic cardboard.
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« Reply #113 on: June 19, 2013, 04:26:01 PM »

I LOVE WOODIE GUTHRIE

you are hereby unanathemized.  Grin

Yeah...right...until the next time, eh Roll Eyes Grin.

What's not to love about Woody, anyway?
Except for the part where he was a communist. allegedly

He was.
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« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2013, 04:29:48 PM »

Oh, has anyone enjoyed a meal in their college commissary?

Calm the passions.

This is one place where a little netodox piety coincides with real justice.

Enjoy "enjoying" (super)food at the expense of the toil of many others. You've earned it after all.
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« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2013, 04:45:15 PM »


Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.

I would have left it at fruits, nuts, and flakes.  The statement wasn't going to get any more glorious.
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« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2013, 07:35:04 AM »


Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
And very decent wine.

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« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2013, 09:06:50 AM »


Nah...California is a garden of eden*--haven't you heard?  The Land of Fruits and Nuts.


California is the land of fruits, nuts, flakes, marijuana, meth, and moonbeams.
And very decent wine.

PP

I'll second that  Wink!
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« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2013, 01:57:43 PM »

My problem here is that most people cannot afford the "healthy" alternatives to Monsanto's allegedly evil products. You go over to Trader Joe's to purchase one of these alternatives and it ends up being like 4x as much money than Monsanto's product at any other basic grocery store. I'd much rather save money and die early than have no money and die late.

This is very true.  I may not be wild about the products Monsanto puts on the market, but the fact is, if we didn't have them, food prices would skyrocket because the food supply would shrink.  That might me grumble about high food prices, but for a good portion of the world, that is the difference between staying alive and starving.  I imagine their concerns about the alleged tumors that might develop 50 years down the road take a distant back seat to their starving children.


I see that you have bought Monsanto's advertising lie.

Farmers in India, Africa, and the Philippines who are using Monsanto's GMO seeds have not been producing the hefty crop that Monsanto promised. It turns out that Monsanto farmers actually produce less crops. In India, many GMO farmers have committed suicide because of the financial ruin.
Are these the same folks that make seeds which produce a product which doesn't produce viable seeds for the next year, causing farmers to be required to purchase their seeds from them again year after year?  

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Imagine that a storm blows across your garden bringing genetically-manipulated seeds into your crops. Next, a multi-national corporation pays you a visit, demands that you surrender your crops and then sues you for $200,000 for the illegal use of patented, GM seeds. In this definitive David and Goliath battle, one farmer stands up against a massive multi-national corporation and their right to claim ownership of a living organism.
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