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« on: July 31, 2013, 04:41:33 PM »


It gets really creative around 2:38.

I'm all for "reaching out" to the youth....but, this....is a bit too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7rIbNCJGpI


All Orthodox jurisdictions are part of one Orthodox Church.  Is this true of Anglicans, as well?
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 05:47:52 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 06:03:09 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 06:15:10 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.

Don't worry. There are worse things out there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 06:17:13 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 06:17:31 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.

Don't worry. There are worse things out there.

Would you mind giving me an example?  I can't think of any.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 06:42:10 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.

Don't worry. There are worse things out there.

Would you mind giving me an example?  I can't think of any.

Well, the lutherans had a priest, who baptized dolls and teddy bears, and a another who did "Gangnam Style" at a confirmation.

On the other hand, I won't judge any of these people. Keeping people focused during liturgy isn't exactly easy.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 07:23:59 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.

Don't worry. There are worse things out there.

That's the point they don't need to be focused.
Would you mind giving me an example?  I can't think of any.

Well, the lutherans had a priest, who baptized dolls and teddy bears, and a another who did "Gangnam Style" at a confirmation.

On the other hand, I won't judge any of these people. Keeping people focused during liturgy isn't exactly easy.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 11:01:29 PM »

Seusscharist!  What a great name.  

Besides the obvious, one thing I immediately sensed was that the only black man in the church was the rector (The Revd. Blackman).  In my experience, the presence of good, church-going African-Americans diminishes the chances of such crazy things as these going on.  Only "white folks" could come up with this and continue it.  Sorry white folks, I love you, but AFAIK it's true.  Tongue

Even so, they still show more reverence for receiving the Eucharist than the average RC.  Good for them.  

Is hand sanitiser on the altar typical?    

  
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 11:38:31 PM »

Then the Anglicans, young and old, will sit down to a feast. And they'll feast, and they'll feast. And they'll feast, feast, feast, feast! They'll feast on the wine and the bread not from yeast. Aw, unleavened bread is a feast I can't stand in the least!

EDIT: While I think it's easy to laugh at this, and even easier to get angry over the sacrilege, I think it's important to remember that the priest is a human being and his heart seems to be in the right place. His misguided move was out of a desire to share Christ with the children in a more "accessible" way. No, that doesn't excuse what he's done, but we should have compassion. It's not easy to captivate a parish during services, especially children. We can complain that not every one is as disciplined and reverent as we are, with our two-to-three-hour long standing services every Sunday, or we can see the situation across the world for what it is: a diminishing laity with many children who are not likely to keep the faith, and clergy that struggles to keep those people "in the fold," as it were.

And you're fine to accuse me of being holier than thou, but I've spent my nights watching clown masses on YouTube and gawking, and that sort of ridicule hasn't gotten me anywhere closer to God. I'm not accusing anyone in the thread of being meanspirited, but there tends to be an air of arrogance in response to these sorts of services and I hope we can move on without tearing everyone apart.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2013, 11:56:48 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy

Whenever I am reminded of the Seusscharist, my heart sinks, and I am compelled to pray the entire Psalter three times in a row, to seek forgiveness for my people.

What about U2charist?
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 12:42:53 AM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2013, 07:00:15 PM »

Seusscharist!  What a great name.  

Besides the obvious, one thing I immediately sensed was that the only black man in the church was the rector (The Revd. Blackman).  In my experience, the presence of good, church-going African-Americans diminishes the chances of such crazy things as these going on.  Only "white folks" could come up with this and continue it.  Sorry white folks, I love you, but AFAIK it's true.  Tongue

Even so, they still show more reverence for receiving the Eucharist than the average RC.  Good for them.  

Is hand sanitiser on the altar typical?    

  

I've never seen hand sanitizer on an altar before.
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2013, 07:01:38 PM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy

Whenever I am reminded of the Seusscharist, my heart sinks, and I am compelled to pray the entire Psalter three times in a row, to seek forgiveness for my people.

What about U2charist?

Also not a fan of those...
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2013, 07:27:33 PM »

Seusscharist!  What a great name.  

Besides the obvious, one thing I immediately sensed was that the only black man in the church was the rector (The Revd. Blackman).  In my experience, the presence of good, church-going African-Americans diminishes the chances of such crazy things as these going on.  Only "white folks" could come up with this and continue it.  Sorry white folks, I love you, but AFAIK it's true.  Tongue

Even so, they still show more reverence for receiving the Eucharist than the average RC.  Good for them.  

Is hand sanitiser on the altar typical?    

  

I've never seen hand sanitizer on an altar before.

We had a round of hand sanitizer in our parish when there was some fretting about passing germs, but it was kept on the side table. It's possible their sanctuary doesn't have any place to put anything besides on the altar.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2013, 07:42:13 PM »

 Only "white folks" could come up with this and continue it.  Sorry white folks, I love you, but AFAIK it's true.  Tongue
In my area there's more than one black church with a liturgical mime troupe.
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2013, 09:28:45 PM »

Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2013, 10:04:15 PM »

Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!

And don't forget those "liturgical dancers" that are sometimes black folks, IIRC. Oh, and the Puppet Mass.

While not saying it's at all on par with puppets, mimes or Dr. Seuss, there's this RC liturgical dance I just came across. Are they Indian? I honestly can't tell.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2013, 10:20:13 PM »

While not saying it's at all on par with puppets, mimes or Dr. Seuss, there's this RC liturgical dance I just came across. Are they Indian? I honestly can't tell.

Yeah, they're Indian Catholics.  It's not rare to see dances like this in Christian religious contexts.  This form of dancing comes from Hinduism, where it obviously has a religious dimension, and IIRC Christians adopted similar forms of dancing adapted to Christian religious themes.  But it's never used in worship, as far as I know.  I've definitely never seen it in liturgical worship.  You could never get away with doing this inside a church, much less in front of the altar.  This is more like something you'd have in the parish hall or outside on a stage or platform as part of the feast day celebrations for a particular parish.  It's not "liturgical dance", no matter how much white folks want it to be such.  Tongue   

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2013, 10:50:02 PM »

Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!
Yep, and the locals trained under the very best.

The first time I saw the liturgical mimes was at a local black community arts gathering that happens every year for MLK day, and -- not realizing what they were doing at first -- I thought, "Awesome! Whiteface!"

(You have to understand that in my community as recently as 10 years ago the local theater had a production utilizing blackface. It's been discontinued -- or rather, they found black actors for that show, which runs annually -- but I'm surprised there hasn't been more pushback.)
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2013, 11:25:49 PM »

While not saying it's at all on par with puppets, mimes or Dr. Seuss, there's this RC liturgical dance I just came across. Are they Indian? I honestly can't tell.

Yeah, they're Indian Catholics.  It's not rare to see dances like this in Christian religious contexts.  This form of dancing comes from Hinduism, where it obviously has a religious dimension, and IIRC Christians adopted similar forms of dancing adapted to Christian religious themes.  But it's never used in worship, as far as I know.  I've definitely never seen it in liturgical worship.  You could never get away with doing this inside a church, much less in front of the altar.  This is more like something you'd have in the parish hall or outside on a stage or platform as part of the feast day celebrations for a particular parish.  It's not "liturgical dance", no matter how much white folks want it to be such.  Tongue   

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That's mild in comparison to what you'd see at larger WCC events.   Eucharist followed by tribal dancing 10 minutes later.
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2013, 11:33:29 PM »

No one needs to patronize children.  Our churches are filled with children who love to kiss the icons. 
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Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!
Yep, and the locals trained under the very best.

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2013, 04:24:27 AM »

Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!

And don't forget those "liturgical dancers" that are sometimes black folks, IIRC. Oh, and the Puppet Mass.

While not saying it's at all on par with puppets, mimes or Dr. Seuss, there's this RC liturgical dance I just came across. Are they Indian? I honestly can't tell.

i have seen much worse at the world council of churches liturgies

which the orthodox attend of course
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i have seen much worse at the world council of churches liturgies

which the orthodox attend of course

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Say it ain't so!!  Good, churchgoing black folks have liturgical mimes?!?!

And don't forget those "liturgical dancers" that are sometimes black folks, IIRC. Oh, and the Puppet Mass.

While not saying it's at all on par with puppets, mimes or Dr. Seuss, there's this RC liturgical dance I just came across. Are they Indian? I honestly can't tell.

i have seen much worse at the world council of churches liturgies

which the orthodox attend of course
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We ditched the abomination of the WCC.  Grin
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I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.

Don't worry. There are worse things out there.

Would you mind giving me an example?  I can't think of any.

How about a bishop openly denying the divinity and resurrection of Christ, without any repercussions?
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2013, 09:33:27 AM »

I was so hoping that this wouldn't make it onto the board....

I just want to say, this is not common in the Episcopal Church.  This is very outside the norms.
James, do you find it harder and harder to defend your church when you see things such as this?  Cheesy

There are people and actions taken by those within (at least they consider themselves within) our Orthodox Faith that are hard to defend.

Sometimes, we all have used words like James did. My uncle's family are Episcopalians and would be as scandalized by this as James.

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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2013, 10:31:53 AM »

No one needs to patronize children.  Our churches are filled with children who love to kiss the icons. 

No one needs to, but they continue because that way when the parishioners become adults they can go to church expecting to be entertained and get nothing out of it and the cycle will continue.
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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2013, 03:04:28 PM »

*flexes Antiochian muscles*

We ditched the abomination of the WCC.  Grin

I thought the Antiochians left the NCC and not the WCC, and I thought it was more over political stuff than worrying about worship services   Huh  Cool
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*flexes Antiochian muscles*

We ditched the abomination of the WCC.  Grin

I thought the Antiochians left the NCC and not the WCC, and I thought it was more over political stuff than worrying about worship services   Huh  Cool
Oops, I guess you are right. 

FALSE ALARM PEOPLE, WE ARE STILL IN THE ABOMINATION OF THE WCC!  Grin
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