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What is the greatest threat to Orthodoxy in the 21st century?

Roman Catholics
0 (0%)
Protestants
5 (18.5%)
Ecumenism
13 (48.1%)
Byzantine Tomfoolery
9 (33.3%)

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THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« on: June 13, 2013, 04:51:07 PM »
Of these four, which do you think will prove to be the most difficult for the Orthodox to deal with in the coming years?  And why?

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 04:53:00 PM »
I voted Ecumenism, but I don't think any really fit.

I think they are all distant seconds to Secularism.

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 04:55:49 PM »
What is Byzantine tomfoolery?

Anyway, how can ecumenism be the heresy of the 21st century? It was the heresy of the 20th! ;)

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 04:56:16 PM »
I voted Ecumenism, but I don't think any really fit.

I think they are all distant seconds to Secularism.

I agree, secularism would be top in my view
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 04:59:10 PM »
Seeing how Byzantine (Antiochene? Malankarine?) Tomfoolery has compromised Evangelism in India for the OO, I'm going with that as my answer.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 05:00:48 PM »
Ourselves, probably. None of the things in that poll are actually a "threat"...
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 05:01:45 PM »
LOL @ Byzantine Tomfoolery.

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 05:08:17 PM »
Byzantine skullduggery perhaps, but not tomfoolery.

The biggest threat, IMO, is an inability to communicate the depth and beauty of Orthodoxy to anyone other than elderly people who like stuff being old-fashioned and people in the 18-35 age range who are uber-geeks and think history and theology and such are really neato. Am I overgeneralizing? Obviously. Am I wrong? We'll find out in 20 years...   The solution?  Teach kids that Orthodoxy is interesting, or at least as interesting as the "exotic" religions they'll be exposed to once they're out on their own; also, evangelize more, and stop using stuff like ocmc as some kind of shield against criticism.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 05:14:03 PM »
and people in the 18-35 age range who are uber-geeks and think history and theology and such are really neato.

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 06:09:24 PM »
Byzantine skullduggery perhaps, but not tomfoolery.

The biggest threat, IMO, is an inability to communicate the depth and beauty of Orthodoxy to anyone other than elderly people who like stuff being old-fashioned and people in the 18-35 age range who are uber-geeks and think history and theology and such are really neato. Am I overgeneralizing? Obviously. Am I wrong? We'll find out in 20 years...   The solution?  Teach kids that Orthodoxy is interesting, or at least as interesting as the "exotic" religions they'll be exposed to once they're out on their own; also, evangelize more, and stop using stuff like ocmc as some kind of shield against criticism.

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 06:12:41 PM »
How is any of this news?
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 06:23:45 PM »
How is any of this news?

You mean teaching kids and doing evangelism? Well either the people in places of authority don't know, or don't care, or know and care but are too incompetent to make a change. Which do you think it is?
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 06:26:57 PM »
I notice you didn't put "radical Islamic fundamentalist terrorists" on your list. Given the situation in the Middle East (for example with the Coptic Christians in Israel), that seems a bit odd.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 06:35:56 PM »
I would say of all the threats facing Orthodoxy in the 21st century, the ones listed above come in pretty low on my list of things to worry about.  I think more RC and protestants/evangelicals are moving to Orthodoxy than vice versa.  As for the other two...meh.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 08:28:45 PM »
What is byzantine tomfoolery exactly?

Of the options presented, I would say ecumenism. However, I think the biggest threat(s) to Orthodox Christianity are radical secularism, statism, moral relativism, et al.  I think we should be aware of the threats from within. Such is why a Great Ecumenical Council needs to be called within the next half century.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 08:47:54 PM »
I don't see another ecumenical counsel being called ever.  How do you do that after 1300 years or so?  Plus, its not like you can decide it is ecumenical before you start, you have to have a counsel and then history decides if is ecumenical once it is all done.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 08:50:40 PM »
Protestantism

Simply due to the fact that the world is becoming a much smaller place now, and with the backwards governments in traditionally Orthodox countries becoming more open and civilized, Protestant Missionaries are coming in droves. I think it will prove to be the new official heresy of the age that we need to deal with sooner than later.

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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 09:00:12 PM »
I don't see another ecumenical counsel being called ever.  How do you do that after 1300 years or so?  Plus, its not like you can decide it is ecumenical before you start, you have to have a counsel and then history decides if is ecumenical once it is all done.

But the groundwork is already being laid for such a council. Hence the dissolution of SCOBA and its replacement.  I don't want to rehash what's already been said about a forthcoming council, but if you do a search on it, you can find what has been abuzz with the regional meetings of canonical Orthodox bishops.  I think one will happen. It has too. The world has moved so quickly in this past century that the Church needs to meet the threats, both external and internal, head on and with the same committed resolution.
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Re: THE 21st Century threat to Orthodoxy
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 10:09:50 PM »
What is byzantine tomfoolery exactly?

Of the options presented, I would say ecumenism. However, I think the biggest threat(s) to Orthodox Christianity are radical secularism, statism, moral relativism, et al.  I think we should be aware of the threats from within. Such is why a Great Ecumenical Council needs to be called within the next half century.

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