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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2014, 01:29:10 PM »
I've now seen it. I would agree that it was better than the first one. Still not a fan though.  :-\
I agree. It's hard to watch these after having read and seen The Lord of the Rings.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2014, 01:30:55 PM »
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are two very different books. You can't compare them.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2014, 01:36:04 PM »
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are two very different books. You can't compare them.

They take part in the same universum. Time skip is about 60 years. Many characters and locations appear in both. They plot is connected, actually events in Hobbit where preludium to LotR...
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2014, 01:37:59 PM »
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are two very different books. You can't compare them.

They take part in the same universum. Time skip is about 60 years. Many characters and locations appear in both. They plot is connected, actually events in Hobbit where preludium to LotR...
I think what Cy was referring to is the style of the books. The Hobbit is decidedly more geared to children.

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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2014, 01:49:20 PM »
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings are two very different books. You can't compare them.

They take part in the same universum. Time skip is about 60 years. Many characters and locations appear in both. They plot is connected, actually events in Hobbit where preludium to LotR...
I think what Cy was referring to is the style of the books. The Hobbit is decidedly more geared to children.

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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2014, 01:53:31 PM »
Either you want a story (reverse) continuity, or you want keeping individual style.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2014, 03:52:15 PM »
Yeah saw it a couple weeks ago in 3D. I enjoyed it and better than the first one, but I did not like the changes. But it was still pretty good and great to watch. What I hate is that people who have never actually read the book will never really appreciate the story. I remember my friends going on and on about The Lord of the Rings but most of them had never read the books. The movies are great, but the movies are always better. It's a cliche but so true. A lot of people blame the people who made the movies, but I have to admit it is hard to put everything in a movie. That and it is a different art so you HAVE to leave stuff out, even change it sometimes. But Lord of the Rings should be a must in school. That and The Hobbit. It's classic reading now.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2014, 05:36:06 PM »
What changes did you not like?
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2014, 06:07:54 PM »
I watched it over Christmas.  I enjoyed the first one but for some reason found this experience more grating.
These were annoying for me personally:
1. The attempt at killing the Dragon launched by the dwarves.
2. Stupid comic touches.  For instance, Bombur bouncing all over the place in a barrel killing orcs.
3. The "relationship" between the invented female elf and Filli (I think).  I wouldn't of minded the female elf but for this stupidity.
4. Necromancer.  I don't like the shadowy apparition.
5. No real "lulls" in between fast paced action scenes.  It seems like the entire film took place over less than a week of time!
6. Watching elves die when the orcs attacked the woodland realm.  Don't invent elves dying!

I liked . . .
1. Laketown the subplot about the Archer.
2. Dragon minus the attempt at melting him with molten gold or w/e that was.




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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2014, 06:09:15 PM »
But Elves do die.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2014, 06:23:42 PM »
But Elves do die.

I know but don't kill extra ones.

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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2014, 06:38:45 PM »
The barrel fighting scene? Absolutely ridiculous. My wife, who has never read any of the related books, even found it stupid.

It was great.

The only one drawback I see is that Thorin seems to be much darker than he was in the book. He's like another one villain, at least in the second movie.

It's pretty much just Pirates of the Caribbean + dwarves.

Oh, come now. It wasn't nearly as weird as POTC.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2014, 08:36:31 PM »
Laketown reminded me of the movie Waterworld with Kevin Cosner.  The subconcious memories I had of that movie ruined whatever positives I might have had of his visual representation of Laketown.  :(
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2014, 08:47:41 PM »
Laketown reminded me of the movie Waterworld with Kevin Cosner.  The subconcious memories I had of that movie ruined whatever positives I might have had of his visual representation of Laketown.  :(

Yeah! That's exactly it on Laketown. And like someone else said the invented relationship between Killi and the female elf was annoying because is departed way too much from the book. Did we really need that, even to sell a movie? I can stand Hollywood adding its own stuff to a certain degree, but gee, this not Harry Potter. Great as those books are you can't just rely on the fact that Emma Watson is hot to get away with adding stuff. Harry Potter is great, but changing Tolkien is almost like changing Homer. That's my two cents.  
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