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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2013, 11:30:41 AM »
Somebody once came out of a grocery store, and was heading to his car with groceries.  2 Jehovah's witnesses walked up and asked if he would like to become a Jehovah's witness.  He replied, "I am afraid I cannot.  I did not see the accident."  :)

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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2013, 12:13:25 PM »
FWIW, JWs have been some the singularly most welcoming and loving people I've ever met on a whole, especially those who have been JW for sometime.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2013, 12:16:51 PM »
FWIW, JWs have been some the singularly most welcoming and loving people I've ever met on a whole, especially those who have been JW for sometime.

They have to be, if they weren't insanely nice, they would go crazy and shoot up the 75th person who slams a door in their face.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2013, 12:20:22 PM »
Sometimes when I'm out on the street they give me some of their pamplets. I always take them, smile and then throw them away when out of sight.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2013, 01:12:43 PM »
FWIW, JWs have been some the singularly most welcoming and loving people I've ever met on a whole, especially those who have been JW for sometime.

Certainly, this is my experience with Mormons.  With JW's, I think it's a little more complex, but still generally true.  Again, just based on my experience.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2013, 03:13:21 PM »
I work with a JW.  Decent enough fella.  Definitely not Christian though.  People can often be sincere and sincerely wrong.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2013, 04:33:02 PM »
In my limited experience, JWs are generally nicer people, however, they are very weird. Mormons are very judgmental, somewhat privileged, wealthy people, but more normal than JWs. Make sense?
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2013, 04:49:40 PM »
In my limited experience, JWs are generally nicer people, however, they are very weird. Mormons are very judgmental, somewhat privileged, wealthy people, but more normal than JWs. Make sense?
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2013, 05:00:52 PM »
I've never had a JW get preachy with me. They have always just rang the doorbell, hand me some pamplet or such that invites me to come find out who Jesus is or whatever and I shake their hand and say thank you and then it's over.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2013, 06:14:29 PM »
I just ask  them if would they like to meet my Rotweiller named Jezebel, my Great Dane/German Shepherd/Ridge back mix named Lucifer, and my Pit Bull named Cannabis. ;D

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2013, 06:56:23 PM »
I just ask  them if would they like to meet my Rotweiller named Jezebel, my Great Dane/German Shepherd/Ridge back mix named Lucifer, and my Pit Bull named Cannabis. ;D

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2013, 07:22:48 PM »
I find rolling your eyes in the back of your head and singing in a high falsetto "Christus Dominus Christs Dominus Christus Dominus!" works well too.

If you pick a trigger word in advance (faith? Jesus? Witness?) and break into yodelling or ululation at the first mention, you may even get rid of them once and for all.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2013, 08:02:12 AM »
I find rolling your eyes in the back of your head and singing in a high falsetto "Christus Dominus Christs Dominus Christus Dominus!" works well too.

If you pick a trigger word in advance (faith? Jesus? Witness?) and break into yodelling or ululation at the first mention, you may even get rid of them once and for all.
Yodelling is the solution to most problems in life.  ;D
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2013, 09:16:33 AM »
FWIW, JWs have been some the singularly most welcoming and loving people I've ever met on a whole, especially those who have been JW for sometime.
Im sure the "shunned" would give you their own accounts of the JW's in their formerly in their lives.

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2013, 12:48:18 PM »
FWIW, JWs have been some the singularly most welcoming and loving people I've ever met on a whole, especially those who have been JW for sometime.
Im sure the "shunned" would give you their own accounts of the JW's in their formerly in their lives.

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Uhhhh, I've known four "shunned" JWs who reconciled with their families without having to re-enter the faith. I was closely involved in one of the reconciliations. The family is highly active in the SW Ohio JW community and had a lot to lose after the break with their child.

Some common sense and reasonable talk reconciled the issue.

Just like in the others.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2013, 03:07:36 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2013, 03:20:43 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2013, 03:31:28 PM »
A friend of mine is "disfellowshipped" but still sees her JW dad and sister on a regular basis; they are on good terms, though it would be hard to deny that there is some strain and bitterness in there. I believe there was definite pressure on the dad to shun her, but he didn't.
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« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2013, 03:34:03 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".

orthonorm, I don't think there are anybody here who doubts what you are telling us is true, but that doesn't make the negative stories false. Jehovah's Witnesses are humans, just like the rest of us and they react to situations in different ways.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2013, 03:50:41 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".

glad u found some comfort in a hard time.
yes, you can't sterotype about people.
it was a muslim who told me to go to the coptic orthodox church. God uses many people to bring comfort.

but i have seen your pic in that thread about pics, and can't believe you were around in the early 70's.
are you really nearly middled aged like me?!

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2013, 04:07:16 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".

glad u found some comfort in a hard time.
yes, you can't sterotype about people.
it was a muslim who told me to go to the coptic orthodox church. God uses many people to bring comfort.

but i have seen your pic in that thread about pics, and can't believe you were around in the early 70's.
are you really nearly middled aged like me?!

No, I meant it went back that far. The Watchtowers I had read wudda been circa late 70s / early 80s.

I remember the one cover really well.

And the last couple years have been rather hard on me, so I probably look like I am 50 now.
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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2013, 04:16:15 PM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".

orthonorm, I don't think there are anybody here who doubts what you are telling us is true, but that doesn't make the negative stories false. Jehovah's Witnesses are humans, just like the rest of us and they react to situations in different ways.


Except, when you delve into those stories you have a lot of people like the woman who I was dating who were compounding their problem by being overly defiant about being "brainwashed".

Most of the problems stem from closed knit communities with radically different normative measures for behavior having adolescents go full on secular and get really defiant.

It would probably be very similar for Christians, if Christians expected their children to act like Christians and towed the line with them. I mean YiM would throw out his own child for being gay.

I had a stern and ridiculous upbringing and had enough sense or not enough courage to change my situation till I could, about 16. And I was willing to deal with the fallout. And I was not naive enough to color my experience as a function of cultic behavior or "brainwashing".

Sorry, when threads come along here which play on typical stereotypes which bear almost no resemblance to the world I've seen, I gotta say something.

And if you are not uptight like myself and have lived a relatively colorful life free of parental responsibility, you are going to have come across many sorts of different people. I know nonsense when I hear it and will say so.

Did the woman I dated go through some unfortunate stuff? Yes. Was it all her parents' fault? No.

If YiM's son came to me and told me he was gay and he was going to out himself, I would counsel him to wait to live how he thinks he must after he gets away from a place where doing so would cause him undue harm. But I understand teenage angst as much as anyone else. But I also understand sucking it in till you can jump ship.

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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2013, 05:38:24 PM »
two jw's showed up at my grandmother's house a long time ago to try and convert her.

she ended up "converting" both of them to just regular protestants. i think it took about 2 weeks. ill never understand how she did it.

i could never be good at evangelism even if i tried.
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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2013, 08:29:29 PM »
two jw's showed up at my grandmother's house a long time ago to try and convert her.

she ended up "converting" both of them to just regular protestants. i think it took about 2 weeks. ill never understand how she did it.

i could never be good at evangelism even if i tried.

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2013, 10:12:41 PM »
I don't get those very much. However, I once had two people come to my door advocating this "God the Mother" odd heretical Trinitarian view. Normally I would have destroyed them and went into hyperdox mode, but, they looked poor so I felt bad. I just gave them a donation, threw their pamphlets into the dumpster and then sent the missionaries to my irreligious, atheist grandparents' apartment as a joke  :D

I think you left out a few details...
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« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2013, 01:30:49 AM »
i had a really nice chat with a jw lady on a bus once. she sat right next to me, so i said 'hi' and i could see she had some 'too colourful' leaflets, so i thought she must be jw. i listened politely for a while and then started to explain Christology - why Jesus is divine. i explained about the early church councils and the orthodox church etc. and we had quite a nice chat before she got off at her stop.
but when i was younger, i used to find it difficult to talk to them. so i think if you are not sure what to say, just have a polite 5 minute conversation on the door step and then say you are busy. they are good at confusing people, so i think you should check with an older Christian or priest to get advice whether or not you should talk to them a lot.

The part of my life as a kid that was spent in absurd poverty in subsidized housing, I used to really enjoy finding the Watchtower pamphlets as a young kid in the laundry facilities room. The stupid and garish "art" I found interesting and I liked reading the material. Granted I was 5-7 years of age.

Also they were really nice to us and visited the kids not infrequently. Mind you this was a place, where I saw numerous people get killed, once right in front of my eyes, drug use, prostitution was rampant, etc. Yet these people came and spent time with us.

I don't know what their endgame was, as they never asked us to go to Sunday school or anything.

Oh, as an adult I dated a "disfellowshipped" JW. Her parents had all the Watchtowers hardbound by year back through the early 70s. I was able to find some of those Watchtowers I had read as a kid. Her family thought it was fantastic.

Now listen to that. I wasn't JW. Their daughter was disfellowshipped. And we both were allowed around them and all their JW friends. And not allowed, welcomed. Her mother thought I was the greatest thing and wanted to adopt me.

And these people were serious, like all time not spent working was spent doing "Bible study".

orthonorm, I don't think there are anybody here who doubts what you are telling us is true, but that doesn't make the negative stories false. Jehovah's Witnesses are humans, just like the rest of us and they react to situations in different ways.


Except, when you delve into those stories you have a lot of people like the woman who I was dating who were compounding their problem by being overly defiant about being "brainwashed".

Most of the problems stem from closed knit communities with radically different normative measures for behavior having adolescents go full on secular and get really defiant.

It would probably be very similar for Christians, if Christians expected their children to act like Christians and towed the line with them. I mean YiM would throw out his own child for being gay.

I had a stern and ridiculous upbringing and had enough sense or not enough courage to change my situation till I could, about 16. And I was willing to deal with the fallout. And I was not naive enough to color my experience as a function of cultic behavior or "brainwashing".

Sorry, when threads come along here which play on typical stereotypes which bear almost no resemblance to the world I've seen, I gotta say something.

And if you are not uptight like myself and have lived a relatively colorful life free of parental responsibility, you are going to have come across many sorts of different people. I know nonsense when I hear it and will say so.

Did the woman I dated go through some unfortunate stuff? Yes. Was it all her parents' fault? No.

If YiM's son came to me and told me he was gay and he was going to out himself, I would counsel him to wait to live how he thinks he must after he gets away from a place where doing so would cause him undue harm. But I understand teenage angst as much as anyone else. But I also understand sucking it in till you can jump ship.



I have no doubt that many (if not most) Jehovah's Witnesses would not shun their own children. This, however, doesn't change the fact, that there are also many instances where the practice of "disfelloweshipping" is taken to a very extreme level. In order to get a nuanced picture of the JW, one cannot ignore either of these two situations.

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Re: jehovah witnesses at my door
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2013, 09:11:55 AM »
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I have no doubt that many (if not most) Jehovah's Witnesses would not shun their own children. This, however, doesn't change the fact, that there are also many instances where the practice of "disfelloweshipping" is taken to a very extreme level
There are more than a few ex-JW's in my area that have not seen their families in years because of the shunning thing. Whether or not it happens everywhere, or if there are examples of it not happening, the JW's officially support such activities if the members apostatize (not just stop going to church).

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