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AOC Western Rite Catechism
« on: June 06, 2013, 01:18:15 AM »
The African Orthodox Church (of America) practices the Western rite catechism. Or does it have it's own catechism and it not really Orthodox at all?

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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 01:20:57 AM »
The African Orthodox Church (of America) practices the Western rite catechism. Or does it have it's own catechism and it not really Orthodox at all?

I don't think this group is Orthodox or canonical.
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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2013, 01:28:01 AM »
It apparently came out of the Episcopalian Church to give "black Episcopalians" a denomination of their own, according to Wikipedia. It seems they later started to imitate Orthodoxy, and probably tried to establish ties with it. IIRC from reading somewhere else, a portion of the AOC actually left and entered into canonical Orthodox churches. IOW, it doesn't seem Orthodox to me.

Although it seems there are several different groups that are the "African Orthodox Church," so that may not be the one you're referring to...
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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2013, 01:35:46 AM »
It apparently came out of the Episcopalian Church to give "black Episcopalians" a denomination of their own, according to Wikipedia. It seems they later started to imitate Orthodoxy, and probably tried to establish ties with it. IIRC from reading somewhere else, a portion of the AOC actually left and entered into canonical Orthodox churches. IOW, it doesn't seem Orthodox to me.

Although it seems there are several different groups that are the "African Orthodox Church," so that may not be the one you're referring to...

The only legit "African Orthodox" church are the churches under the Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa.  :angel:

EDIT: ... among the EO, that is.
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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 01:56:09 AM »
The African Orthodox Church (of America) practices the Western rite catechism. Or does it have it's own catechism and it not really Orthodox at all?

There are a couple of groups who go by this name, all tracing their roots back to the same start. The largest is The African Orthodox Church Inc., like many vagante groups that calls themselves Orthodox, link their Apostolic Succession to the Syriacs in the 1800's.  This group in particular was an offshoot of the Episcopalians, and that is what the still most resemble.

I had some nice dialogues with some of them during the 90's, but they have many obstacles to overcome that they do not wish to overcome in order to be part of the The Orthodox Church. They did not want to change what they were currently doing at the time, they did not want to give up their female clergy, and they wanted to remain segregated.

Some parishes practice a sudo Byzantine practice, and other something akin to the Western Rite.

None of the groups who use "African Orthodox" are in communion with either the Chalcedonian or Non-Chalcedonian Orthodox Churches, no matter what they may claim.
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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 02:01:03 AM »
a portion of the AOC actually left and entered into canonical Orthodox churches. IOW, it doesn't seem Orthodox to me.

Most of the actual Africans of the African Orthodox Church were received into Orthodoxy back in the 1940's in what is today Kenya.
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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2013, 06:39:10 AM »
There does seem to be several different Groups entitled "African Orthodox Church".

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Re: AOC Western Rite Catechism
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 09:17:49 AM »
There does seem to be several different Groups entitled "African Orthodox Church".
IIRC there are none that go by that name that are canonical from any standpoint (Eastern Orthodox OR Oriental)

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