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Posted communion time
« on: June 04, 2013, 09:39:16 AM »
While at a large scooter rally this weekend, I went to liturgy at the local Orthodox church and noticed that they also had posted "communion time" on the board outside after the start time for the DL.

What is the rationale for this practice?
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 09:42:02 AM »

Oh dear.

Is it so folks know just when to scoot in to get in line for Communion?

That's terrible.
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 09:48:22 AM »
While at a large scooter rally this weekend, I went to liturgy at the local Orthodox church and noticed that they also had posted "communion time" on the board outside after the start time for the DL.

What is the rationale for this practice?

It is a very bad pastoral practice that lets people know they need to be at church by the "communion time" if they want to receive. Without even saying the ethnic background I have my suspicions on where the people are from. Bad, bad, bad!
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 04:26:03 PM »
While at a large scooter rally this weekend, I went to liturgy at the local Orthodox church and noticed that they also had posted "communion time" on the board outside after the start time for the DL.

What is the rationale for this practice?

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 04:33:41 PM »
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 04:39:32 PM »

Well, everyone is late "once in a while"...but, to post it, gives people permission to always be late.
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 04:48:31 PM »
I would like it very much if they posted this, but, have it be the time Liturgy starts

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 05:31:59 PM »
isn't it so you know how long to fast for?

we need to fast 6 (or 9, depending on church) hours before Holy Communion, so if we know when it was, we can enjoy that last glass of water 6 hours before.

in afternoon coptic liturgies, the times are often advertised like: 'liturgy 7-9pm', where 9pm is the Communion time, not the finish time.
at least, i hope it's not to deliberately upset the natives, who love to know when things finish and plan their arrival at home (a very non egyptian concept)!

so people will fast from 12 noon (we do 9 hours). of course there are a few who are really capable of fasting that will fast from midnight, but that is not the majority of us!

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 05:43:29 PM »
In our parish some families with small children usually arrive at the end of the sermon (about one hour into the service) on Sundays. Little ones can get pretty worked up if they have to wait too long for Communion/are thirsty and so on. Also, if someone is late for "blessed reasons", the rule of thumb is that, if they arrive before the Cheroubikon, they can receive.     

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 07:18:18 PM »
Please don't blame the children for being late to church.  Our parish has church school before services and almost all of our children attend.  If children get too antsy or start to cry, the parents just take the child/children out until they calm down or bring them back in.  I've never been at a parish where the parents come to church after the sermon and expected to receive.  In fact, one priest I know nipped all that in the bud at his parish by announcing that those who came in after the sermon were not to approach the chalice and that he knew exactly who was there for the sermon (the church would hardly have any people there for the sermon but would be absolutely packed by communion time.  People started showing up on time since they wanted to be able to receive.

Also, as far as posting the times so that people will know when to fast, as far as I know, that would apply to pre-sanctified or night liturgies.  Otherwise, you just fast from midnight until you receive communion.  When there are pre-sanctified or evening liturgies, you just eat a light lunch and then not eat anymore until after communion. 

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 07:22:48 PM »
I think people are missing the real problem here.

Scooter rally?

What's next? A roller skate symposium?
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 07:31:57 PM »
I think people are missing the real problem here.

Scooter rally?

What's next? A roller skate symposium?
not those kind of scooters
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 07:58:21 PM »
Please don't blame the children for being late to church. 

It's not the children's fault, nor their parents'. Liturgy in our parish usually lasts 3 hours or more on Sundays and it can begin at 10 or 10:30 (depending on how long the preparation of the Gifts takes). There's the sermon and, while the priests commune, a reading from the Fathers. These can vary in length.

Then there's all sorts of children: some literally grew up in Church, attending even midnight Liturgies since they were babies and never once disturbing a service. Others not so. They can be taken out, but since the church is quite small and usually packed with people on Sundays and feasts, they cannot just slip out without disturbing.     

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 09:10:09 PM »
In our parish, things are supposed to start happening at 9:15am, but that's only if the reader shows up on time.

I like to show up at Church before the hours start (usually around 9.)  greeting and kissing the babushkim takes a while, you know!

Our rule of thumb is that if you're in Church to hear the Gospel reading, you can receive Holy Communion.  Until that time, people trickle in little by little.

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 10:12:02 PM »
I think people are missing the real problem here.

Scooter rally?

What's next? A roller skate symposium?

Oh man, if it were a real symposium (drinking party) that would be awesome.
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2013, 10:12:57 PM »
I wish Liturgy began earlier.
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 09:53:39 AM »
I think people are missing the real problem here.

Scooter rally?

What's next? A roller skate symposium?

Vintage scooters (and some late model vintage styled bikes) as in metal bodied, manual transmission Vespas, Lambrettas, Cushmans, Allstates, etc.  Loads of fun.  We had over 230 registered this year and the group ride had about 70 bikes participating.  Great weather, too, for once. 
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 09:59:50 AM »
I think people are missing the real problem here.

Scooter rally?

What's next? A roller skate symposium?

Oh man, if it were a real symposium (drinking party) that would be awesome.

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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 10:14:49 AM »
Vintage scooters (and some late model vintage styled bikes) as in metal bodied, manual transmission Vespas, Lambrettas, Cushmans, Allstates, etc.  Loads of fun.  We had over 230 registered this year and the group ride had about 70 bikes participating.  Great weather, too, for once. 

Reminds me of the time I made a random decision to spend a weekend in Erie, PA.  I didn't plan it at all, I was just trying to spend some time by the lake, visit a vineyard, etc.  When I drove in, I found the entire city taken over by a huge motorcycle rally.  It was the loudest, craziest event I've ever attended (I live a rather boring life by most NYers' standards), with the most "white diversity" I've ever experienced...more fun than I'd imagined going in.  Of course, for Sunday Liturgy I attended the Russian Orthodox Old Rite parish there.  An oddly put together weekend.  But the lake and vineyards were nice.  Not that this had anything to do with the original topic at all.     
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2013, 10:55:18 PM »
While at a large scooter rally this weekend, I went to liturgy at the local Orthodox church and noticed that they also had posted "communion time" on the board outside after the start time for the DL.

What is the rationale for this practice?

It is a very bad pastoral practice that lets people know they need to be at church by the "communion time" if they want to receive. Without even saying the ethnic background I have my suspicions on where the people are from. Bad, bad, bad!

Maybe it's a cool gimmick. Get people to come at communion time and then, once they're in through the door expecting one thing, the priest can give them a sermon, possibly quoting St. John the Baptist. "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee the wrath to come?" It's what I imagine some Orthodox priests would love to say on Pascha in their sermons, except that the people they might preach to left after the first paschal troparion.
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 03:48:09 AM »
While at a large scooter rally this weekend, I went to liturgy at the local Orthodox church and noticed that they also had posted "communion time" on the board outside after the start time for the DL.

What is the rationale for this practice?

It is a very bad pastoral practice that lets people know they need to be at church by the "communion time" if they want to receive. Without even saying the ethnic background I have my suspicions on where the people are from. Bad, bad, bad!

Maybe it's a cool gimmick. Get people to come at communion time and then, once they're in through the door expecting one thing, the priest can give them a sermon, possibly quoting St. John the Baptist. "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee the wrath to come?" It's what I imagine some Orthodox priests would love to say on Pascha in their sermons, except that the people they might preach to left after the first paschal troparion.

I spent a good minute visualising such a scenario... imagine the look on their faces... thank you for the post ;P
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Re: Posted communion time
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 03:54:19 AM »
did you attend the service?

if so, how was it?

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