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« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2013, 01:52:51 PM »

^I remember watching latest James Bond movie and thinking that it is fairly obvious that this isn't an American film. AFAIK American movie heroes tend to be a lot more casual than Bond is.
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« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2013, 02:08:22 PM »

^I remember watching latest James Bond movie and thinking that it is fairly obvious that this isn't an American film. AFAIK American movie heroes tend to be a lot more casual than Bond is.

I find American heroes to be much more cowboy & action-oriented than non-American heroes. I almost wonder if they've amped up Bond from the books just to make it more appealing to Americans.

Also, I found that while I was in Greece, I had to clean up my English in order to be understood. Apparently I would mumble, slur my speech and draw things out (I guess a feature of some parts of Missouri), so I started trying to clean my speech up, and actually had two Greeks tell me they didn't think I was American because I was so easily understandable and didn't have a strong accent.

I also met a Greek-American girl who lives in Greece now who runs a salon, I was sent there for a haircut. It was funny how both of us started out with cleaner speech, and then fell back into our natural accents, me into my Western Missouri accent, her to her New York/New Jersey accent.
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2013, 02:28:10 PM »

Also, could anyone imagine Darth Vader with his accent? http://youtu.be/YSm9DDxQv8E

James Earl Jones' voice has the same range and similar timbre to Christopher Lee's. Casting is not accidental. Wink
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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2013, 03:54:45 PM »

Also, could anyone imagine Darth Vader with his accent? http://youtu.be/YSm9DDxQv8E

James Earl Jones' voice has the same range and similar timbre to Christopher Lee's. Casting is not accidental. Wink

? That is David Prowse, the actor for Darth Vader, whose voice was dubbed over with Jones'.
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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2013, 04:07:44 PM »

Also, could anyone imagine Darth Vader with his accent? http://youtu.be/YSm9DDxQv8E

James Earl Jones' voice has the same range and similar timbre to Christopher Lee's. Casting is not accidental. Wink

? That is David Prowse, the actor for Darth Vader, whose voice was dubbed over with Jones'.

I feel kinda sorry for him. He was just a dummy for the costume - because the face we see at the end of Episode VI is Sebastian Shaw's (in the original version, before Hayden Christensen was airbrushed in).
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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2013, 03:02:19 AM »

Archimandrite Irenei Steenberg: http://youtu.be/AZX7PmxtLxU

Umm, Devin, Archim. Irenei is actually American, who became an Oxford don. He's now at St Tikhon's Seminary. Fr Irenei's accent is a hybrid, and not something that anyone could call "British" or "English".
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2013, 03:07:26 AM »

Also, could anyone imagine Darth Vader with his accent? http://youtu.be/YSm9DDxQv8E

James Earl Jones' voice has the same range and similar timbre to Christopher Lee's. Casting is not accidental. Wink

? That is David Prowse, the actor for Darth Vader, whose voice was dubbed over with Jones'.

I feel kinda sorry for him. He was just a dummy for the costume - because the face we see at the end of Episode VI is Sebastian Shaw's (in the original version, before Hayden Christensen was airbrushed in).

Have you heard David Prowse speaking Darth Vader's lines? Footage prior to sound editing exists of this. Hilarious. No surprise at all that his voice was dubbed. Mr Prowse simply couldn't compete with Mr Jones in the vocal department.

Aboyt 30 years ago, a radio play version of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back was produced. The voice of Darth Vader was provided by Brock Peters, a black actor with a voice just as compelling and evocative as that of James Earl Jones.
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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2013, 03:54:50 AM »

An example of exaggerated Received Pronunciation (RP) would be beautifully illustrated by the British art critic, Brian Sewell.
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« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2013, 08:32:48 AM »

Also, could anyone imagine Darth Vader with his accent? http://youtu.be/YSm9DDxQv8E

James Earl Jones' voice has the same range and similar timbre to Christopher Lee's. Casting is not accidental. Wink

? That is David Prowse, the actor for Darth Vader, whose voice was dubbed over with Jones'.

I feel kinda sorry for him. He was just a dummy for the costume - because the face we see at the end of Episode VI is Sebastian Shaw's (in the original version, before Hayden Christensen was airbrushed in).

Have you heard David Prowse speaking Darth Vader's lines? Footage prior to sound editing exists of this. Hilarious. No surprise at all that his voice was dubbed. Mr Prowse simply couldn't compete with Mr Jones in the vocal department.

Aboyt 30 years ago, a radio play version of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back was produced. The voice of Darth Vader was provided by Brock Peters, a black actor with a voice just as compelling and evocative as that of James Earl Jones.

Brock Peters does have an excellent voice.  SOme of his most famous credits, for those who don't know, were:
1) Admiral Cartwright in Star Treks IV and VI
2) Captain Sisko's father in Star Trek: DS9
3) Tom Robinson in the screen version of "To Kill a Mockingbird"
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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2013, 09:26:04 AM »

Archimandrite Irenei Steenberg: http://youtu.be/AZX7PmxtLxU

Umm, Devin, Archim. Irenei is actually American, who became an Oxford don. He's now at St Tikhon's Seminary. Fr Irenei's accent is a hybrid, and not something that anyone could call "British" or "English".

Wow, I didn't know that. I know a guy that is American and spent a few years in the UK and now has an English accent.
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« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2013, 07:54:59 AM »

Dialect is rather unimportant.  Clarity of pronunciation, OTOH...that being said, I can't stand women with English accents, but have an affinity for a woman with an Irish or Scottish accent/dialect.  I think Americans make a bigger deal on dialect/accent variations than any other nationality on Earth.  And I'm from the South (kind of an adopted Appalachian hillbilly; I love it!), so take what you will from this reply.
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« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2013, 08:23:33 AM »

Not too sure one may speak of an English, Irish or American accent. In each case there are similarities and differences. In Ireland a Cork accent is different from that of Wexford, Dublin or Belfast. In England accents vary across the country, only television soaps seeming to bring about hybrid speech patterns. Americans from one area may speak very differently from another.
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« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2013, 08:32:51 AM »

Not too sure one may speak of an English, Irish or American accent. In each case there are similarities and differences. In Ireland a Cork accent is different from that of Wexford, Dublin or Belfast. In England accents vary across the country, only television soaps seeming to bring about hybrid speech patterns. Americans from one area may speak very differently from another.

You are correct, of course, and I should have know better having studied linguistics in English and Spanish.  The best specificity I can come up with would be a London accent (even then, different neighborhoods have different dialect/accents, i.e. West Ham vs. Chelsea).  Mass media (TV/internet) assists in the continued stereotypes of people's dialects.
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« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2013, 09:44:36 AM »

My dislike is for slovenly speech and/poor diction. This simply because it disrupts the flow of communication. Different accents, speeds of speech and dialect words and phrases may be a struggle but can be overcome with increasing familiarity or sub-titles.

I enjoy listening to West Country accents and sometimes the tales I hear spoken in them. Around here exist both Birmingham and Black Country accents, not considered by too many as attractive. However I am minded to recall that it is thought that William Shakespeare's speech would sounded nearer these looked down upon accents than the socially upmarket tones of Received Pronunciation.

The variety and richness of regional variations, dialects and vocabulary is, I feel, exciting. Sadly, television's long arm appears to rob us little by little of such richness.
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« Reply #59 on: August 12, 2013, 10:18:15 AM »

The variety and richness of regional variations, dialects and vocabulary is, I feel, exciting. Sadly, television's long arm appears to rob us little by little of such richness.

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« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2013, 10:22:38 AM »

I hope you guys all realize that someone's dialect does not say anything about his intelligence. It might say something about his education level, ethnic or social background, or political stance.

Sure it does.. It is not always accurate, but it does convey a sense of class.

A high British accent conveys upper class and education and a cockney accent does the opposite.

I had a friend who worked for Booze Allen. She had a syrupy Southern Accent being from Georgia. She had to take voice/accent lessons in order to be taken seriously as a Professional..  
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« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2013, 10:25:01 AM »

I hope you guys all realize that someone's dialect does not say anything about his intelligence. It might say something about his education level, ethnic or social background, or political stance.

Sure it does.. It is not always accurate, but it does convey a sense of class.

A high Oxford accent conveys upper class and education and a cockney accent does the opposite.

I had a friend who worked for Booze Allen. She had a syrupy Southern Accent being from Georgia. She had to take voice/accent lessons in order to be taken seriously as a Professional.. 

I'd prefer a Georgia girl to an Oxford girl any day of the week though.
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« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »

I hope you guys all realize that someone's dialect does not say anything about his intelligence. It might say something about his education level, ethnic or social background, or political stance.

Sure it does.. It is not always accurate, but it does convey a sense of class.

A high Oxford accent conveys upper class and education and a cockney accent does the opposite.

I had a friend who worked for Booze Allen. She had a syrupy Southern Accent being from Georgia. She had to take voice/accent lessons in order to be taken seriously as a Professional.. 

I'd prefer a Georgia girl to an Oxford girl any day of the week though.

Only if she looked like Julia Roberts in Steel Magnolias as well. Wink
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« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2013, 10:42:03 AM »

I hope you guys all realize that someone's dialect does not say anything about his intelligence. It might say something about his education level, ethnic or social background, or political stance.

Sure it does.. It is not always accurate, but it does convey a sense of class.

A high British accent conveys upper class and education and a cockney accent does the opposite.

I had a friend who worked for Booze Allen. She had a syrupy Southern Accent being from Georgia. She had to take voice/accent lessons in order to be taken seriously as a Professional..  

Sure it does what? Sure it conveys intelligence? The answer to that is no. And class is not intelligence. I thought as a leftie you'd know that.
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« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2013, 11:06:01 AM »

I recall visiting a day centre for people with a wide range of disabilities. On arrival a man with a rich cultured voice and dressed to match greeted me and asked if could help me. He did so in the most polished manner. Intelligence? He had Down's syndrome and a IQ of less than 70. What he did have was parents who were successful medical practitioners and an upbringing to match. In other words he had most, if not all, the marks of someone from the English upper middle class.

And unlike many who had the blessing of greater intelligence but not the same social advantages I understood every word he said, and each was appropriately used.

No, social hierarchy and intelligence are not one and the same.  Wink
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« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2013, 11:11:33 AM »

I do not think it's English vs. American thing. I myself use American accent since it's easier to pronounce (but less pleasant to hear). He just seemed to be VERY observant. Not sure what was the reason. Any ideas?

One acquaintance of mine said it was an Oxford/univeristy manner but I would like to confirm it.

Met. Ware was educated in a time when there was emphasis on acquiring proper RP (Received Pronunciation, the kind you hear in old BBC productions). Plus, lecturers learn how to project clearly, in order to be understood by everyone in the audience. Elocution techniques, mainly.

When assigned to NATO, I worked for a UK Colonel. I understood him perfectly; it turned out he had received proper education and eschewed English dialects that can be unintelligible. That was the case when I spent an overnight in London; I could not understand most of the Londoners--half mumbled and the other half spoke with a Cockney accent. The same happens in American English; the standard is Midwestern, but some regional dialects are unfortunately lionized for various (unpersuasive) reasons.
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« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2013, 11:17:07 AM »

I do not think it's English vs. American thing. I myself use American accent since it's easier to pronounce (but less pleasant to hear). He just seemed to be VERY observant. Not sure what was the reason. Any ideas?

One acquaintance of mine said it was an Oxford/univeristy manner but I would like to confirm it.

Met. Ware was educated in a time when there was emphasis on acquiring proper RP (Received Pronunciation, the kind you hear in old BBC productions). Plus, lecturers learn how to project clearly, in order to be understood by everyone in the audience. Elocution techniques, mainly.

When assigned to NATO, I worked for a UK Colonel. I understood him perfectly; it turned out he had received proper education and eschewed English dialects that can be unintelligible. That was the case when I spent an overnight in London; I could not understand most of the Londoners--half mumbled and the other half spoke with a Cockney accent. The same happens in American English; the standard is Midwestern, but some regional dialects are unfortunately lionized for various (unpersuasive) reasons.
The Ohio Valley accent is neutral and easily understood by all, which is why newscasters use it and have made it the standard.
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« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2013, 12:26:41 PM »

I hope you guys all realize that someone's dialect does not say anything about his intelligence. It might say something about his education level, ethnic or social background, or political stance.

Sure it does.. It is not always accurate, but it does convey a sense of class.

A high British accent conveys upper class and education and a cockney accent does the opposite.

I had a friend who worked for Booze Allen. She had a syrupy Southern Accent being from Georgia. She had to take voice/accent lessons in order to be taken seriously as a Professional..  

Sure it does what? Sure it conveys intelligence? The answer to that is no. And class is not intelligence. I thought as a leftie you'd know that.

Follow along.. Certain accents convey the class you belong to. Hence, many people make assumptions about your level of education and similar things. Do you really think that is not so?
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« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2013, 12:45:52 PM »

But he was amazing. He even had a vibrant 'r'.

Did he changed his pronunciation to make easier for barbarians to understand him or is there some else explanation?

There are many types of British accents, I know his R rolling is not standard British English though. Maybe it's an effect of his Greek language or something. I know my Spanish-Arabic-Greek accent interferes with my English R and D.
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