Topic: Home grown meth is destroying Americans

[Gebre Menfes Kidus]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Too much HBO, which may be more detrimentally mind-altering than THC or LSD.


Selam

[JamesRottnek]

Oh America, just legalise marijuana and be done with it. At least there are no exploding drug labs where I live.

I may or may not know five people in a small town who make meth...and if I do, I can guarantee you that none of their production sites have ever exploded.

I know people who were test pilots on brand new planes.  Just because they didn't crash and burn doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  You really shouldn’t demoralized the dangers.  It happens more often than you think.  And if you know they are doing this and say nothing, you just became an accomplice to a crime.  Congratulations.  And lets not forget several of these scumbag meatballs booby trap their labs to kill people when they come in.  Real nice folks you keep company with.

He might hang with winebibbers as well.

Oh I do.  I also hang out with a couple of porn stars.  And a man who may or may not be a pimp.  And an Armenian.  I hang out with an Armenian too.  But I think that might be one step too far, so I'm considering ending that friendship.

[Red A.]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Because drugs don't take you to pretty places.

[Cyrillic]

I for one have never done drugs...except for that time I accidently ate all of my grandmother's pills as a child and had to get my stomach pumped because I thought they were candy.

Alcohol is drugs too.

[Cyrillic]

Pot is a more significant drug than people make it out to be. And sorry Cyrillic, you ain't never seen pot. What passes for weed in Europe, including your beloved Amsterdam doesn't hold a candle to what I can get from some kid in KY who is a hobbiest pot grower.

Oh really? That most be quite an accomplished grower.

[Cyrillic]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Pretty much this.

[Alveus Lacuna]

I was sick for two week with dizziness and bronchial asthma from all the toxic fumes generated in that explosion.

Do you possibly weigh less than one hundred pounds or more than 500? I've never heard if such frailty.

[Jason.Wike]

Who doesn't have an addiction?

<----------------- addicted to pizza rolls and orzo with lemon and feta.......not together mind you.

The DEA is on its way right now.

[Jason.Wike]

The meth fumes cause a lot of people to have respiratory distress. It is time the filthy truth gets out about Meth. It is destroying a lot of lives.

Could say the same about alcohol. I know several people that have been consistently drunk for 20-50 years, non stop. You wanna get up at 6 every day, stay home all day and start getting drunk at 9am? Become an accountant.

[Shiny]

hail satan, smoke meth

[Kerdy]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Because drugs don't take you to pretty places.

That depends on who decorated the emergency room.

[Kerdy]

Who doesn't have an addiction?

<----------------- addicted to pizza rolls and orzo with lemon and feta.......not together mind you.

The DEA is on its way right now.

It's the FDA.

[Kerdy]

The meth fumes cause a lot of people to have respiratory distress. It is time the filthy truth gets out about Meth. It is destroying a lot of lives.

Could say the same about alcohol. I know several people that have been consistently drunk for 20-50 years, non stop. You wanna get up at 6 every day, stay home all day and start getting drunk at 9am? Become an accountant.

I dont understand the comparison between the toxic fumes of meth labs and being a drunk.  The addiction I understand.

[jayjay]

  Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

[Strongylocentrotus]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

[Nephi]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

Maybe elsewhere, but certainly not in my community.

[FatherGiryus]

Absolutely!

Most of us live completely unaware of the horrors of modern drugs.  If there is one challenge that all of the territorial Orthodox Churches face together, it is dealing with drugs and addiction.  It is sad to say, but alcohol has now become one of the easier addictions to treat.  Its effects are less powerful and the damage takes much longer.

I remember watching a coke addict 'hit the wall' and become high as a kite just from having a craving.  No alcoholic ever gets drunk without a drink.  Most people out there don't understand this.

Thank you for being out there and ministering as you do, Jayjay!

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

[jah777]

How about Ectasy? ....This one in particular has interested me from time to time.

Most Ecstasy comes from Israel:

Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department.

In recent years, organized crime in Israel, some with links to criminal organizations in Russia, have come to control the distribution of the drug in Europe, according to a Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs document.

The same document also points out that Israeli criminal groups have a hand in the distribution of ecstasy in North America...

 "Israeli drug distribution organizations are currently the main source for distribution of the drug to groups inside the U.S., to smuggling through express mail services, through couriers on commercial flights and, recently, through air cargo," states the report.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israelis-at-center-of-ecstasy-drug-trade-1.13809

[Maria]

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

Thanks for posting.
Lord have mercy.

[Maria]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

Alcohol and tobacco often lead to other addictions. Marijuana and Ritalin are often gateways to other drug addictions. I have met many who have claimed to have just an alcohol addiction but who also are forced to admit that they have an addiction to marijuana and cocaine once they start detox.

BTW, How many here have visited patients while they are in detox? It is not a pretty sight.

[JamesR]

BTW, How many here have visited patients while they are in detox?

*raises hand*

lol, when my dad was detoxing, one of his withdrawal symptoms was that he constantly got sleep paralysis and would wake up constantly in the middle of the night screaming for one of us, saying he can't move.

[biro]

I have. I've also had to go running around at night trying to find a friend who had relapsed on his crack habit and get a hold of him before he got lost in a crackhouse.

Watch "Intervention." They won't be making new episodes, but it's on U.S. TV and you can probably rent the DVDs elsewhere. It's not a comedy.

[LizaSymonenko]

hail satan, smoke meth

[Maria]

I have. I've also had to go running around at night trying to find a friend who had relapsed on his crack habit and get a hold of him before he got lost in a crackhouse.

Watch "Intervention." They won't be making new episodes, but it's on U.S. TV and you can probably rent the DVDs elsewhere. It's not a comedy.

I took some drug-alcohol classes while in college, and was trained to do interventions.

Out of three interventions that I participated in with friends and relatives, only one patient successfully went through a 30 day inpatient program. The others remained in denial.

We visited this patient while he was in detox. He was in the ICU as he was vomiting and was suffering convulsions, and staff feared that he would suffocate on his vomit. Furthermore, he was scratching his skin as he itched, and had to be restrained. He also had delusions and nightmares.

[LizaSymonenko]

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

Thank God....a voice of reason...and someone who knows what he is talking about.

[LizaSymonenko]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Pretty much this.

Not everybody.  The only time I had a "buzz" was when I was in the hospital with kidney stones.  I got both demerol and dilaudid injections.  The first shot was heavenly because I could finally breath.  The pain was still there, but, it was bearable.

I have to say that was the ONLY thing I liked about it....that the pain subsided to a dull roar.  I didn't like the fuzzy fealing, I didn't like the dizziness, I didn't like the whole experience.

The nurse kept coming in like clockwork to give me these shots....until I finally told her NO!!!  No more!!!!  I'll take the pain.  She was shocked.  She stated that she's already measured it out....like that would make a difference to me....and that now it's my fault that it will go to waste, and I should just let her inject me...since it's already in the syringe.  No.  No more.

She walked away shaking her head.

...and I've also never been drunk.

I could never understand the whole hype around getting drunk.  Seems so stupid.  If you have to be drunk to have fun, are you actually really having any fun?

[J Michael]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Pretty much this.

Not everybody.  The only time I had a "buzz" was when I was in the hospital with kidney stones.  I got both demerol and dilaudid injections.  The first shot was heavenly because I could finally breath.  The pain was still there, but, it was bearable.

I have to say that was the ONLY thing I liked about it....that the pain subsided to a dull roar.  I didn't like the fuzzy fealing, I didn't like the dizziness, I didn't like the whole experience.

The nurse kept coming in like clockwork to give me these shots....until I finally told her NO!!!  No more!!!!  I'll take the pain.  She was shocked.  She stated that she's already measured it out....like that would make a difference to me....and that now it's my fault that it will go to waste, and I should just let her inject me...since it's already in the syringe.  No.  No more.

She walked away shaking her head.

...and I've also never been drunk.

I could never understand the whole hype around getting drunk.  Seems so stupid.  If you have to be drunk to have fun, are you actually really having any fun?

Some folks have a very strange notion of what fun is.   Every time (and it was more than a few) I ever got drunk or used, with great frequency,  a whole host of other drugs it was, all my excuses and rationalizations aside, nothing more than a way to dull pain and try to escape the reality of my life and the consequences of my other bad choices.  And yeah...sometimes I even thought I was having what I thought could be defined as "fun"--but it wasn't--especially as the effects started to wear off.

[WPM]

Who doesn't have an addiction?

Its a wonderful thing to be free from all addictions.

[biro]

Everybody may be 'really into' different things, from baseball to origami to actual hard drugs. But I think we'd be pushing it if we said there is no difference between having a big hobby, like butterfly collection, and shooting up heroin. I mean, come on, now.

[Jason.Wike]

The meth fumes cause a lot of people to have respiratory distress. It is time the filthy truth gets out about Meth. It is destroying a lot of lives.

Could say the same about alcohol. I know several people that have been consistently drunk for 20-50 years, non stop. You wanna get up at 6 every day, stay home all day and start getting drunk at 9am? Become an accountant.

I dont understand the comparison between the toxic fumes of meth labs and being a drunk.  The addiction I understand.

The response is to "It is destroying a lot of lives."

[WPM]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

What about caffeine?..

[LizaSymonenko]

Caffeine hardly has the same side effects as alcohol.  Having jitters isn't going to cause you to swerve your car into oncoming traffic....nor, are you likely to beat your family when you've downed a pot of coffee.

[WPM]

Well, addiction is a learned behavior. They offer addiction counseling and treatment programs ... Are you aware of something called drug-induced psychosis?..

[LizaSymonenko]

Definitely not my area of expertise.

[WPM]

I think you can a get drug-induced psychotic episode from marijuana.

[vamrat]

Caffeine hardly has the same side effects as alcohol.  Having jitters isn't going to cause you to swerve your car into oncoming traffic....nor, are you likely to beat your family when you've downed a pot of coffee.

If you are drinking coffee to stay awake and are tired you are worse than a drunk driver.

Here's the Mythbusters: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/tired-vs-drunk-driving.htm
Here's another article.  His report for the State of Massachusetts is linked in the article: http://www.thesafetyinstitute.org/worse-than-driving-drunk/

And alcohol reduces inhibitions.  If someone beats their family while drunk they probably already had the intent, just could bring themselves to do it.  Typically, when I am drinking, beating my family and friends isn't on the agenda.  Just like when I am sober.

[LizaSymonenko]

Drinking is okay...but, you shouldn't be getting drunk.

[GabrieltheCelt]

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

 Howdy jayjay,

 I'm so sorry for your step-daughter.  I pray that some sort of intervention will happen soon and she'll be able to get better.  It seems like an insurmountable problem, all things are possible with Christ (sorry for sounding trite).  My nephew is addicted to meth and has been in rehab twice now.  AFAIK, he's doing better, but AFAIK addicts will always have a difficult time with temptation. 

 I think your diagnosis as to why is pretty much spot on.  For many folks, life is empty.  It sounds counter-intuitive, but it seems like we're over stimulated with too much pleasure and because of this, well, there's nowhere else to go but to get high. 

 Anyway, thank you very much for what you do!  Y'all don't get paid enough in my opinion.

[JamesRottnek]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

Alcohol and tobacco often lead to other addictions. Marijuana and Ritalin are often gateways to other drug addictions. I have met many who have claimed to have just an alcohol addiction but who also are forced to admit that they have an addiction to marijuana and cocaine once they start detox.

BTW, How many here have visited patients while they are in detox? It is not a pretty sight.

Please provide me evidence that having an addiction to alcohol and tobacco causes one to become addicted to something else.  Please also provide evidence that marijuana and ritalin are "gateways" to addiction to other drugs.

[JamesRottnek]

BTW, How many here have visited patients while they are in detox? It is not a pretty sight.

And yeah, I've seen patients who are detoxing.  I spent some time in 2011 at a psychiatric facility that doubled as a detox center.

[JamesRottnek]

Why does everybody have wild and radical story about drug use? Its probably hyped-up and overblown.

Pretty much this.

Not everybody.  The only time I had a "buzz" was when I was in the hospital with kidney stones.  I got both demerol and dilaudid injections.  The first shot was heavenly because I could finally breath.  The pain was still there, but, it was bearable.

I have to say that was the ONLY thing I liked about it....that the pain subsided to a dull roar.  I didn't like the fuzzy fealing, I didn't like the dizziness, I didn't like the whole experience.

The nurse kept coming in like clockwork to give me these shots....until I finally told her NO!!!  No more!!!!  I'll take the pain.  She was shocked.  She stated that she's already measured it out....like that would make a difference to me....and that now it's my fault that it will go to waste, and I should just let her inject me...since it's already in the syringe.  No.  No more.

She walked away shaking her head.

...and I've also never been drunk.

I could never understand the whole hype around getting drunk.  Seems so stupid.  If you have to be drunk to have fun, are you actually really having any fun?

I know no one who gets drunk to have fun.  You get drunk to escape.

[Shiny]

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

Thank God....a voice of reason...and someone who knows what he is talking about.

Not really.

It's just another non-thinking petty white man bourgeois fantasy propagated under thin guise of Christianity. I would be afraid if someone like him took some sort of power to start a nutty cultural hegemony.

I don't like drug dealers either, but you have to be kidding yourself if you truly believe it has anything to do with lack of respect and belief in God. What utter nonsense. These middle class sensibilities bore me.

And really, all drugs destroy society? Get real. Folks who smoke a bowl after work because it relaxes them or whatever are okay in my book.

It's too bad we live in a screwed up world where the alternative to not working for the institutions is being a drug addict or unemployed. Maybe get into porn which you can be screwed for 800 dollars a shoot versus getting screwed at a McJob for 8.50 an hr.

Might want to fix the alternative before you approach the drugs. Or lay off whatever crack you smoked out of a Glenn Beck book when you wrote your post.

[Shiny]

The most abused and in my opinion the hardest drugs to quit are alcohol and tobacco.  Alcohol has probably destroyed more lives than any other drug.

For some it is a relief from the ills of being in a screwed up world.

[JamesRottnek]

Hi. I've read the comments, some are interesting, some ill informed, some silly ( no, I won't tell ). I'm in law enforcement, and have been for over 16 yrs. From personal experience, meth is a curse on society, as is other illicit drugs - including marijuana, alcohol, prescription tablets etc. In my line of work, I deal with the 'dark side' on a daily basis. Meth is one of the most destructive drugs out there - when cooked it is 'pure', but as it goes down the line it is cut with other chemicals, like drano, rat sack, then sold on the streets. Unless you have dealt first hand with those who are out of their mind on meth, you have no idea what you are talking about. And, yes, it's not just meth destroying our society, and your society, it's coke, heroin, booze, pills, the list goes on. I believe it boils down to a loss of respect, breakdown of families, a loss of the belief in God, and a loss of self respect for the individual. ALL drugs are destroying our society, and all drugs are under the umbrella called SIN. Only God can save us. And I know what many are going through, my step daughter is a Meth head, and thinks she is in the right, and that I am the one that is in the wrong. I pray for all those affected by this curse are one day healed and come into the arms of our Lord.

Thank God....a voice of reason...and someone who knows what he is talking about.

Not really.

It's just another non-thinking petty white man bourgeois fantasy propagated under thin guise of Christianity. I would be afraid if someone like him took some sort of power to start a nutty cultural hegemony.

I don't like drug dealers either, but you have to be kidding yourself if you truly believe it has anything to do with lack of respect and belief in God. What utter nonsense. These middle class sensibilities bore me.

And really, all drugs destroy society? Get real. Folks who smoke a bowl after work because it relaxes them or whatever are okay in my book.

It's too bad we live in a screwed up world where the alternative to not working for the institutions is being a drug addict or unemployed. Maybe get into porn which you can be screwed for 800 dollars a shoot versus getting screwed at a McJob for 8.50 an hr.

Might want to fix the alternative before you approach the drugs. Or lay off whatever crack you smoked out of a Glenn Beck book when you wrote your post.

You don't get 800 a shoot.  Well, women might, I haven't a clue there.  But for men, you're talking a couple hundred for an amateur porn video, around 400 for straight sex, and around a grand to a bit more than a grand for gay sex.  Then of course, the more...umm, unusual the porn, the higher the price.  At least according to the couple of gay guys I know who've done a fair amount of porn.

[Shiny]

I don't know what the going rate is. Actually Men have always made less in porn. You could get yourself in a 16 and Pregnant spot, then use that to leverage a cool 1.5 million for a porno.

Everybody knows thats how you get famous.