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« on: May 25, 2013, 08:14:22 PM »

Hi all, in Orthodox does this verse predict the coming of Jesus or the Prophet Mosses?

Please, elaborate on your statements, thank you.

Deuteronomy 18:15-18

"15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him."
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2013, 08:21:13 PM »

Hi all, in Orthodox does this verse predict the coming of Jesus or the Prophet Mosses?

Please, elaborate on your statements, thank you.

Deuteronomy 18:15-18

"15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him."

Moses predates the Deuteronomy period. ISTM it could refer to St John the Baptist.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2013, 08:46:06 PM »

The prophecy refers to Jesus.  Think of the Word becoming flesh (1st chapter of John).
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 08:57:16 PM »

Yes, this is a prophecy referring to Christ.  Cf. Acts 3.17-26.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2013, 08:06:49 AM »

Hi all, in Orthodox does this verse predict the coming of Jesus or the Prophet Mosses?

Please, elaborate on your statements, thank you.

Deuteronomy 18:15-18

"15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him."

It's predicting not Muhammad
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2013, 08:53:43 AM »

If this verse predicting Christ, why is it referring as just a Prophet then, not a Son of God or a Messiah? I thought it was revering to the Prophet Moses..
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2013, 09:00:10 AM »

The surrounding context of the passage speaks about how God revealed himself to Moses face to face and to the people in a great fire and glory. They couldn´t stand Gods glory and voice so they asked for him to hid himself from them, and God answered them in the verse mentioned.

16 For this is wha you asked of the Lord your God at Horteb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good.


The prophet(the messenger between God and the people) therefore was to be like Moses in the matter that he would see God the Father face to face and know his voice. Jesus fulfills this in a great way. I am not sure but I don´t think any other prophet does.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2013, 01:00:20 PM »

If this verse predicting Christ, why is it referring as just a Prophet then, not a Son of God or a Messiah? I thought it was revering to the Prophet Moses..

Well, if you read the words carefully, it is Moses announcing the coming of another prophet like him (i.e., like Moses).  He would not have to announce himself, as he's already there.  Smiley

I don't know enough about OT religious ideas, so I can't say why Moses referred to a prophet and not to "Son of God" or "Messiah", except that maybe they didn't or wouldn't have understood those terms.  But this "Prophet" was evidently an important concept in their religion, at least at the time of Christ.  In John 1.19-27, when priests and Levites were sent from Jerusalem to John the Baptist to ask him who he was, he first denies that he is the Christ; then they ask him if he's Elijah or if he's "the Prophet", which he also denies. 

Based on the apostolic preaching (as I cited earlier), the tradition of the Church is that Moses was talking about Christ when he referred to a prophet like himself.  And certainly, our Church regards Christ as priest, prophet, and king.  There are many books, I'm sure, which deal with this, but the one that first comes to my mind is the first of the three volume series Jesus of Nazareth by Pope Benedict XVI; he begins that book, if I'm not mistaken, with a treatment of the Deuteronomic passage in question and discusses its interpretation as a prophecy of Christ.     
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 07:00:00 PM »

Actually, Moses might have collectively meant all the true prophets to be sent by Elohim after his departure, the first being Joshua. However, as everything found perfection in Christ, He is the Messiah, the Priest, and the Prophet. These three offices were brought together in Yeshua. He was anointed with the Holy Spirit (the Messiah) and started His prophetic ministry (the Prophet). Finally, He offered Himself as the ultimate sacrifice to Elohim (the Priest).

The apostolic Church considered the promise in Deuteronomy 18:15-18 a reference to Christ (Acts 3:22 and 7:37). We can also see that in the New Testament Yeshua's designation as the Messiah goes hand in hand with His prophetic ministry. He was anointed with the Spirit and power as He was the promised Messiah (emphasis on His Kingdom and His similarity to David) and the promised Prophet (emphasis on His mission and His similarity to Moses).
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 11:28:26 AM »

Deut 34
10 But since then there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 in all the signs and wonders which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt, before Pharaoh, before all his servants, and in all his land,

A thousand or so years later the Israelites were still expecting this Prophet. In John 1 the people ask John the Baptist who he is. One question they ask him is "are you the prophet?" He answers "no."
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