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Offline Nephi

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Orthodox Dispensationalists
« on: May 21, 2013, 10:04:28 PM »
I was listening to AFR a few months back and heard a priest giving either a homily or a lecture, and he went on to affirm a dispensationalist view toward the Jews. He posited that God still has a covenant with the Jewish people that is distinct from the Church, and it is still yet to be fully filled. I can't recall if he made any references to the modern state of Israel or not.

Is he alone in this, or is there a real presence of this sort of dispensationalism in (Western) Orthodoxy?

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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 10:09:23 PM »
O.o

Say whaaaaaat?

Do you have a link?  I would love to listen to that...
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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 01:56:34 AM »
The Jews of our days are awaiting Christ and He wishes to save them. In this sense, God has a "covenant" with them (as much as He does with everybody else) because the Jews are not the (only) chosen people anymore. But, no, God does not (still) have anything special with the Jews except that He is sensitive to the fact that they remained in a very powerful delusion.

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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 01:32:51 PM »
Either you misunderstood him, or he is WAAAAAAYYYYYYY out in left field.

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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 02:15:16 PM »
Either you misunderstood him, or he is WAAAAAAYYYYYYY out in left field.

I certainly hope it's the former.

I wish I could find the podcast. It seemed like it was a Bible study format with an exegetical focus. I believe the speaker was trained in Biblical studies.
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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 02:15:28 PM »
Oops, double post.
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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 03:15:35 AM »
Would have to have a quote of what he said to make a statement.
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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 04:34:47 AM »
I was listening to AFR a few months back and heard a priest giving either a homily or a lecture, and he went on to affirm a dispensationalist view toward the Jews. He posited that God still has a covenant with the Jewish people that is distinct from the Church, and it is still yet to be fully filled. I can't recall if he made any references to the modern state of Israel or not.

Is he alone in this, or is there a real presence of this sort of dispensationalism in (Western) Orthodoxy?

Even to suggest the covenant with Israel was outside the Church is to misunderstand the Church anyhow.

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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 06:21:01 AM »
Well that type of thinking is so common among Protestants (even conservative ones) and Catholics in America that I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of "on-the-ground" influence amongst your average parish priests.
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Re: Orthodox Dispensationalists
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2013, 02:17:25 PM »
St. Paul says that God will someday graft Jews who do not persist in unbelief back onto the Vine, which could be interpreted to mean that there is some divine plan to preserve them until that time. Perhaps that is what the speaker was talking about.
Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son
...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.