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« on: April 06, 2014, 09:47:33 PM »

Why oh why oh why is the Catholic Church doing this??

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2014/04/05/immigration-reform-becomes-catholic-pro-life-cause/2XHiTpDhrKL8pWqreakpwI/story.html
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2014, 10:21:30 PM »

I don't mind the Catholic Church taking up immigration reform or whatever, but I did find the "Border Mass" uncomfortable. Regardless of the  purpose, using the Eucharistic Sacrifice as a political tool just seems a bit inappropriate to me.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 02:57:03 PM »

The Catholics need Latino Catholics to replenish their aging and fleeing parishioners as well as their money to help offset the over $3 billion (that's right, billion. Not million or even hundreds of millions, but billion) that has been paid to victims of the clergy sex abuse scandals.  Sorry to say, but like anything else in life, follow the money.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 12:34:37 AM »

Pope Francis said that we should not 'obsess' over issues like abortion, so I guess they're looking for a more pope francis friendly issue to start pushing.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2014, 09:00:28 AM »

Pope Francis said that we should not 'obsess' over issues like abortion, so I guess they're looking for a more pope francis friendly issue to start pushing.

How exactly did he say this?  I know the RCC has not and will not change it's stance on the Abortion Issue.  Is he saying that it should not occupy all of our concerns thus allowing other important things to be discussed?
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 01:00:27 PM »

I don't mind the Catholic Church taking up immigration reform or whatever, but I did find the "Border Mass" uncomfortable. Regardless of the  purpose, using the Eucharistic Sacrifice as a political tool just seems a bit inappropriate to me.

Do they have a motive? Why is this unusual sort of thing happening would you speculate?
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2014, 02:03:02 PM »

Pope Francis said that we should not 'obsess' over issues like abortion, so I guess they're looking for a more pope francis friendly issue to start pushing.

How exactly did he say this?  I know the RCC has not and will not change it's stance on the Abortion Issue.  Is he saying that it should not occupy all of our concerns thus allowing other important things to be discussed?

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Pope Francis said that we should not 'obsess' over issues like abortion, so I guess they're looking for a more pope francis friendly issue to start pushing.
Is he saying that it should not occupy all of our concerns thus allowing other important things to be discussed?
He said Catholics should emphasize things like the Incarnation, and God's love for humanity.

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Ever since the Roman Catholic Church has split away from the Holy Orthodox Church,  theologians with novel ideas have split from her and have formed new Protestant churches.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 02:25:13 PM »

I don't mind the Catholic Church taking up immigration reform or whatever, but I did find the "Border Mass" uncomfortable. Regardless of the  purpose, using the Eucharistic Sacrifice as a political tool just seems a bit inappropriate to me.
Just curious: would you support withholding the Eucharist from Catholic politicians who don't vote to outlaw abortion?
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 02:34:19 PM »

I don't mind the Catholic Church taking up immigration reform or whatever, but I did find the "Border Mass" uncomfortable. Regardless of the  purpose, using the Eucharistic Sacrifice as a political tool just seems a bit inappropriate to me.
Just curious: would you support withholding the Eucharist from Catholic politicians who don't vote to outlaw abortion?

Not quite. Only if they're actively endorsing or championing abortion through any means (i.e. not just politically), which would also apply to all Catholics and not just politicians.
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As the soul becomes darkened with heretical ideas and passions, one heresy gives birth to another.

Ever since the Roman Catholic Church has split away from the Holy Orthodox Church,  theologians with novel ideas have split from her and have formed new Protestant churches.

We never split from Orthodoxy Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 02:53:11 AM »

Yeah, what scandmandrius said:

#1 Demographics, hispanics are the future of the church in the USA, they are the future of the USA period. Whoever has the most children and doesnt use contraception is the future. Many hispanics also use more contraception these days so who knows what will happen ultimately. Thats why contraception is evil.
#2 the peace & justice (secular politics) obsession (which I grant is part of the gospel), which has been more prominent after vatican II
#3 Pope francis. ("francis effect".)

No where in the world has human migration ever been stopped permanently, except temporarily by giant walls or by genocides.
Humans will go where they will, irregardless of borders. I find the concept of immigration reform to be a figment of politicians imagination. The USA is nothing but immigrants, other than native americans.

Business control the US economy, business hire whoever they want to , part of the 60's, 70's counter culture that is now regular culture is "GLOBALISATION".  I do not like globalisation. I am not a libertarian, but Ron/Rand Paul, Pat Buchanon and Ralph Nader all have same ideas for protectionist policies. Protectionism and fighting corrupt banks is a good idea, but the free market being free is another figment of the imagination.

The mass across the border is interesting. Since people have actually died trying to cross that fence, I can see how it has a spiritual dimension. I am confused by it, all and all simply indifferent. I do not know if it is an abuse of the mass for political purposes. It probably is, but with all the other abuses these days, it doesnt seem like the most serious one..seeing as no "married" lesbians were involved.

The united states conquered/stole the southwest from mexico, and mexico stole it from spain who stole it from zuni, hopi and various tribes...

I have encountered people who are prejudiced against darker skinned spanish speaking people,  if this works in their favour, good for them... likewise the mexican owner of the soccer/futbol team in california refuses to hire anyone but mexicans for his team so nationalism or prejudice sometimes goes both ways.



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