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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2005, 11:16:15 AM »
I can't remember which Council established this (Constantinople 1349 or 1351?--whatever it was, it was only local anyway---I don't agree with the idea of "virtual" Ecumenical Councils like some do {i.e. "Eighth" Ecumenical Council, etc.}), but, anyhoo:

St. Gregory Palamas was saying that "grace" (or "energy") IS God, and not something created by God, which supposedly the RCC believes.  This would have been fine and dandy, if he left it at that.  but then he goes on to qualify it by saying, "oh, but it's not His essence."  But if anyone looks up ousia ("essence") in a Greek dictionary, you'll see something like, "the verbal noun of 'to be'".  So, what St. Gregory Palamas was saying was that God's energy is God, and yet it is not God.  Well?  Which is it?  He almost makes His energy into another ousia, which has drastic conclusions: i.e. two Gods (!)

I could be dead wrong about a lot of this...but this is the general impression I get from St. Gregory Palamas' wording.
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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2005, 11:43:07 AM »
Ahh.. ok, got ya. I have two books on the shelf on St. Gregory waiting to be read, I'll have to keep what you are saying in mind as I read them and see what to make of it (though I won't get to the Triads) for some time yet.

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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2005, 12:30:49 PM »
Just curious, idontlikenames, which Greek dictionary are you using? In my meagre library my lexicons could probably show 4 or 5 meanings for ++-à -â+¦+¦, all context sensitive and all period (era) sensitive.

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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2005, 12:50:26 PM »
Aristokles,

I didn't get that from a Greek dictionary....I was giving you all a bunch of hot air :laugh:

But I know that ousia means "essence" and "essence" is the verbal noun of "to be"
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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2005, 01:05:37 PM »
Yep, that is one meaning..the most common translation, but not the only one. Greek is tough.
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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2005, 01:39:27 PM »
Try having a Greek phys-ed teacher!
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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2005, 02:17:05 PM »
I got an A in Greek this past semester...it was my best class. 
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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2005, 11:22:47 PM »
Yes, i think the Roman rite did! Thats one reason why i became Eastern rite Catholic which lead me to the Orthodox Church. I believe the Eastern Catholic Church is kind of like a bridge to the Orthodox Church for some.

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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2005, 09:03:51 AM »

Language schmanguage -- Having a Greek mother-in-law is even tougher! :D

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Re: Has the Catholic Church become anti-Catholic?
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2005, 01:59:48 PM »


The RCC parshes are NOT embarrssed of their harriatage...they have statues and pictures....I dont know which one you went to...

I am actually not that fimilarr with the orthodox really (note I am not here to convert I am not here to convert anyone to the RCC I am only here to get an understanding...you know go to the source...well here I am) I only know a few things, but orthodox doesnt believe that Mary was saved from orignal sin? am I understanding you right?

Catholic and Orthodox - We believe in God and God teach us every day to forgive.  Anti-Catholic means Orthodox?
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