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« on: May 18, 2013, 02:48:17 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

I've spoken to a Muslim friend just recently who was surprised that some Muslims convert to Christianity. Also, some Muslims believe that statements made by ex Muslims that converted to Christianity are made up/false claims.

If there are any converts on this forum ,please tell me how you came to become a Christian.

I also understand that for the reason of reprisals ex-Muslims keep it quiet, but if possible state what your ethnicity is, country of origin/present country etc.

I am highly interested in knowing this.

Thank you very much, God bless in Christ.
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 02:54:23 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

I've spoken to a Muslim friend just recently who was surprised that some Muslims convert to Christianity. Also, some Muslims believe that statements made by ex Muslims that converted to Christianity are made up/false claims.

If there are any converts on this forum ,please tell me how you came to become a Christian.

I also understand that for the reason of reprisals ex-Muslims keep it quiet, but if possible state what your ethnicity is, country of origin/present country etc.

I am highly interested in knowing this.

Thank you very much, God bless in Christ.
there are, but since I'm not one of them, I'll let them talk.  Two in particular post rather regularly.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 02:56:14 PM »

Thank you.

I'd love to hear from them because Muslims sort of deny the possibility of Muslims converting to Christianity, so would love to hear some stories from true Christian converts from Islam and the reason why.
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2013, 02:58:54 PM »

Thank you.

I'd love to hear from them because Muslims sort of deny the possibility of Muslims converting to Christianity, so would love to hear some stories from true Christian converts from Islam and the reason why.

Historical examples are not enough for them? There's for example



St. Ahmed the Calligrapher.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 03:24:37 PM »

Thank you.

I'd love to hear from them because Muslims sort of deny the possibility of Muslims converting to Christianity, so would love to hear some stories from true Christian converts from Islam and the reason why.

Historical examples are not enough for them? There's for example



St. Ahmed the Calligrapher.

Wow, interesting!
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2013, 03:53:05 PM »

Thank you.

I'd love to hear from them because Muslims sort of deny the possibility of Muslims converting to Christianity, so would love to hear some stories from true Christian converts from Islam and the reason why.

Historical examples are not enough for them? There's for example



St. Ahmed the Calligrapher.

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2013, 04:06:43 PM »

In a way, I'm surprised that your friend would find it so surprising, Andrewiya. Muslims convert to Christianity all the time, but I guess in another way, it's not surprising, since Muslims are still very committed to their idea that their religion is the only one that anyone would ever want to be in, so anyone who converts from it to another must be crazy/stupid/opportunistic/etc. Anyway, you don't even have to look for historical examples. Pretty much the entire home church movement in Iran is made up of ex-Muslims (as opposed to the ancient Armenian and Assyrian churches that are native to Iran, the home churches are almost all native "ethnic Muslim" converts; please see the film "A Cry From Iran" for some information about that). There are also famous individual converts, like Mohamed Hegazy and Bahaa el-Din Ahmed Hussein el-Akkad in Egypt, or Lina Joy in Malaysia. There are lots of converts to Christianity from Islam (virtually everyone in my church knows at least one, though I've only met ex-Muslim atheists personally), though most of them try to keep a low profile, for obvious reasons.

Any Muslim who tells you that people don't really convert from Islam, or that converts are all fakes or opportunists is just trying to nurse their wounded pride. Don't bother with such people.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2013, 04:25:01 AM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2013, 05:39:16 AM »

There will be probably the same amount on youtube false claims from fake Christian converts to Islam...I just don't see the need for this, it is sort of sad that people do it in a fake way to show something..
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2013, 09:12:30 AM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
and we are going to take a Jewish voice on that?

Any examples you can offer of "fake" Muslim converts to Christianity?  Because finding exposed fake Christian conversions to Islam is quite easy, e.g.:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/abuishaq.html

The knowledge of Muslims of Islam in general isn't so high, so even those born in Muslim families in Muslim countries wouldn't know the things you are alluding to, let alone be able to spot.

Btw, Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, all his descendants are/were Christian (I understand that one has apostacized and become Parsi, his father's original religion).
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2013, 09:56:26 AM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
and we are going to take a Jewish voice on that?

Any examples you can offer of "fake" Muslim converts to Christianity?  Because finding exposed fake Christian conversions to Islam is quite easy, e.g.:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/abuishaq.html

The knowledge of Muslims of Islam in general isn't so high, so even those born in Muslim families in Muslim countries wouldn't know the things you are alluding to, let alone be able to spot.

Btw, Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, all his descendants are/were Christian (I understand that one has apostacized and become Parsi, his father's original religion).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRDyOaCJ3t0 Muslim calling the guy out as a fake  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaFU9EDUEI Christian pastor and an Syrian Christian  calling this guy out.

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2013, 10:16:16 AM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.

Your response is totally irrelevant to the question.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2013, 10:17:21 AM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

I've spoken to a Muslim friend just recently who was surprised that some Muslims convert to Christianity. Also, some Muslims believe that statements made by ex Muslims that converted to Christianity are made up/false claims.

If there are any converts on this forum ,please tell me how you came to become a Christian.

I also understand that for the reason of reprisals ex-Muslims keep it quiet, but if possible state what your ethnicity is, country of origin/present country etc.

I am highly interested in knowing this.

Thank you very much, God bless in Christ.

I am a convert to Christianity from Islam. I converted almost 20 years ago.  angel
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I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.

Your response is totally irrelevant to the question.
how so when the op asked and said about fake ones I was just point out you can go to youtube to see this and why some Muslims are shocked from it. maybe you were Muslim maybe you were not  maybe your statements is more irrelevant as it's just your own statement so wheres the proof
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how so when the op asked and said about fake ones I was just point out you can go to youtube to see this and why some Muslims are shocked from it. maybe you were Muslim maybe you were not  maybe your statements is more irrelevant as it's just your own statement so wheres the proof

To remind you of the question:

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

Your answer is irrelevant to this question.  Grin
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how so when the op asked and said about fake ones I was just point out you can go to youtube to see this and why some Muslims are shocked from it. maybe you were Muslim maybe you were not  maybe your statements is more irrelevant as it's just your own statement so wheres the proof

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 10:35:47 AM »

I am a convert to Christianity from Islam. I converted almost 20 years ago.  angel

How did your Muslim family, friends and state reacted to that?
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2013, 10:37:33 AM »

Here's my conversion testimony:

http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2010/05/12/my-conversion-from-islam-to-orthodoxy-by-masud-masihiyyen/
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2013, 10:47:00 AM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.

Your response is totally irrelevant to the question.
That is true,it is not what I asked about in this topic.
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how so when the op asked and said about fake ones I was just point out you can go to youtube to see this and why some Muslims are shocked from it. maybe you were Muslim maybe you were not  maybe your statements is more irrelevant as it's just your own statement so wheres the proof

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funny that you should say that ...... Really since Muslims and Jews now days don't fight over the oneness of G-d Allah (swt) I did read your story. What are these Islamic rituals through out the day that you speak of but didn't go into detail on 
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2013, 12:34:12 PM »

Why the Islamic honorifics after writing Allah, "Jewish" voice? You speak Arabic, or are just shilling for Islam?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2013, 12:41:23 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

 I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 10 years; president of the Muslim Students Association at the local University.  I helped fund/start an international da'wah group with offices in Pakistan, Turkey and USA.  Thank God it was disbanded.  I converted to Christianity 9 years ago. 
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Why the Islamic honorifics after writing Allah, "Jewish" voice? You speak Arabic, or are just shilling for Islam?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2013, 01:33:10 PM »

This is a Convert Issues Forum. It is expected that a person who is not an orthodox christian may ask questions pertaining to orthodoxy for answers from Orthodox Christian forum members as such it is also expected that a person who is not an orthodox christian may not challenge a poster who responds appropriately to a topic presented. The question posed was a good question however Jewish Voice challenge to the responses is an example of an inappropriate response to the topic question.

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This is a Convert Issues Forum. It is expected that a person who is not an orthodox christian may ask questions pertaining to orthodoxy for answers from Orthodox Christian forum members as such it is also expected that a person who is not an orthodox christian may not challenge a poster who responds appropriately to a topic presented. The question posed was a good question however Jewish Voice challenge to the responses is an example of an inappropriate response to the topic question.

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http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/n/f/What-Is-NVM.htm  means Never Mind
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2013, 02:19:06 PM »

Why the Islamic honorifics after writing Allah, "Jewish" voice? You speak Arabic, or are just shilling for Islam?  Roll Eyes
Probably because he is a "Jew" whose main temple is in Mecca rather than in Jerusalem.  Grin
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 funny that you should say that ...... Really since Muslims and Jews now days don't fight over the oneness of G-d Allah (swt)

Untrue. The Qur'an designates not only Christians, but also Jews as polytheists as the Jews were accused by Muhammad of calling Ezra the Son of God.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/ezra.htm
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2013, 02:25:12 PM »

What are these Islamic rituals through out the day that you speak of but didn't go into detail on 

It seems that you did not read my testimony or failed to read it properly. Cite my sentence so that I can understand better what you mean.
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Why the Islamic honorifics after writing Allah, "Jewish" voice? You speak Arabic, or are just shilling for Islam?  Roll Eyes
Probably because he is a "Jew" whose main temple is in Mecca rather than in Jerusalem.  Grin
You mean Mekkah more and more you talk the less you seam to ever been Muslim. it's also Qur'an not Koran. Muslims haven't used that spelling in years how you can spot a fake Muslim
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 funny that you should say that ...... Really since Muslims and Jews now days don't fight over the oneness of G-d Allah (swt)

Untrue. The Qur'an designates not only Christians, but also Jews as polytheists as the Jews were accused by Muhammad of calling Ezra the Son of God.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/ezra.htm
I said "NOW " days as the Ezra sect has been long gone. Is it not true if a Muslim is in travel that if no halal food is found he can eat Kosher? is it not also true that if a Jew is traveling and he needs a place to pray the Masjid is open to him to do so. isn't Allah also a Hebrew word. Muslims can't eat Christians food or go into their place of worship. Nor can a Jew. How come I seam to know more about Islam than you do??
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You mean Mekkah more and more you talk the less you seam to ever been Muslim. it's also Qur'an not Koran. Muslims haven't used that spelling in years how you can spot a fake Muslim

There is no Mekkah in English!  laugh

Your conclusion is logically flawed as it is based on the use of languages. Writing Koran or Mecca in English does not prove that I was not a Muslim before my conversion. It is similar to claiming that Muhammad was not actually Arab because he used the Greek version of some Biblical names (for instance, Elias) in the Qur'an.  laugh

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I said "NOW " days as the Ezra sect has been long gone.

NOW it's obvious that you are not a Jew. No sane Jew would believe in or propagate this historically baseless and stupid Muslim theory! There has never been an Ezra sect! I have caught you lying!  laugh

Is it not true if a Muslim is in travel that if no halal food is found he can eat Kosher? is it not also true that if a Jew is traveling and he needs a place to pray the Masjid is open to him to do so. isn't Allah also a Hebrew word. 

What does this have to do with your previous argument concerning the oneness of God? You are too good at the fallacy of red herring to be a true Jew.  Grin


Muslims can't Christians food or go into their place of worship. Nor can a Jew. How come I seam to know more about Islam than you do??

Jews cannot eat Muslim food either when Muslims have only camel meat to offer. How come I seem to know the Leviticus better than you, a supposed Jew?  Grin
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You mean Mekkah more and more you talk the less you seam to ever been Muslim. it's also Qur'an not Koran. Muslims haven't used that spelling in years how you can spot a fake Muslim

There is no Mekkah in English!  laugh

Your conclusion is logically flawed as it is based on the use of languages. Writing Koran or Mecca in English does not prove that I was not a Muslim before my conversion. It is similar to claiming that Muhammad was not actually Arab because he used the Greek version of some Biblical names (for instance, Elias) in the Qur'an.  laugh

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 funny that you should say that ...... Really since Muslims and Jews now days don't fight over the oneness of G-d Allah (swt)

Untrue. The Qur'an designates not only Christians, but also Jews as polytheists as the Jews were accused by Muhammad of calling Ezra the Son of God.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/ezra.htm

It is true, I've read it myself in the Qur'an.
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 funny that you should say that ...... Really since Muslims and Jews now days don't fight over the oneness of G-d Allah (swt)

Untrue. The Qur'an designates not only Christians, but also Jews as polytheists as the Jews were accused by Muhammad of calling Ezra the Son of God.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/ezra.htm
I said "NOW " days as the Ezra sect has been long gone. Is it not true if a Muslim is in travel that if no halal food is found he can eat Kosher? is it not also true that if a Jew is traveling and he needs a place to pray the Masjid is open to him to do so. isn't Allah also a Hebrew word. Muslims can't eat Christians food or go into their place of worship. Nor can a Jew. How come I seam to know more about Islam than you do??
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Yes, the Ezra sect may have long gone, but in the Qur'an was not specific on the sect, the Book generally states that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah. I know it,I've read it.
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Yes, the Ezra sect may have long gone, but in the Qur'an was not specific on the sect, the Book generally states that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah. I know it,I've read it.

No true Jew would buy the Ezra sect theory. It's obvious that the "Jewish" voice is propagating modern Muslim theories against Judaism to defend the Qur'an here.
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You mean Mekkah more and more you talk the less you seam to ever been Muslim. it's also Qur'an not Koran. Muslims haven't used that spelling in years how you can spot a fake Muslim

There is no Mekkah in English!  laugh

Your conclusion is logically flawed as it is based on the use of languages. Writing Koran or Mecca in English does not prove that I was not a Muslim before my conversion. It is similar to claiming that Muhammad was not actually Arab because he used the Greek version of some Biblical names (for instance, Elias) in the Qur'an.  laugh

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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2013, 03:58:22 PM »


Yes, the Ezra sect may have long gone, but in the Qur'an was not specific on the sect, the Book generally states that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah. I know it,I've read it.

No true Jew would buy the Ezra sect theory. It's obvious that the "Jewish" voice is propagating modern Muslim theories against Judaism to defend the Qur'an here.

Could it be then some sort of Quranic contradiction stating that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah just like Quran states that Christians consider Mary as a God?
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I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
and we are going to take a Jewish voice on that?

Any examples you can offer of "fake" Muslim converts to Christianity?  Because finding exposed fake Christian conversions to Islam is quite easy, e.g.:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/abuishaq.html

The knowledge of Muslims of Islam in general isn't so high, so even those born in Muslim families in Muslim countries wouldn't know the things you are alluding to, let alone be able to spot.

Btw, Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, all his descendants are/were Christian (I understand that one has apostacized and become Parsi, his father's original religion).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRDyOaCJ3t0 Muslim calling the guy out as a fake  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaFU9EDUEI Christian pastor and an Syrian Christian  calling this guy out.

Ialmisry thought you could have done better than this with your response  I know you can do better than this
Evidently you can't: your youtube seems ignorant of the fact that most Turks (at least in the Turkish Republic) are-at least nominally-Muslim. And most-like most Muslims-do not speak Arabic, nor can they pronounce it correctly.

No need on my part to dwell on it. The OP wanted former Muslims, and I'm not one.  I just know a number, and of their existence.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2013, 04:03:53 PM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.

Your response is totally irrelevant to the question.
That is true,it is not what I asked about in this topic.
"Jewish" voice wants us to believe that no Muslim converts.  Unfortunately for him, we can't pander to his insecurities as we know plenty who have.
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2013, 04:07:14 PM »

Why the Islamic honorifics after writing Allah, "Jewish" voice? You speak Arabic, or are just shilling for Islam?  Roll Eyes
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You mean Mekkah more and more you talk the less you seam to ever been Muslim. it's also Qur'an not Koran. Muslims haven't used that spelling in years how you can spot a fake Muslim
or someone, like Theophilos, who speaks English fluently.

Koran is an acceptable spelling to former Muslims, if that is what you mean by "fake Muslim."
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Yes, the Ezra sect may have long gone, but in the Qur'an was not specific on the sect, the Book generally states that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah. I know it,I've read it.

No true Jew would buy the Ezra sect theory. It's obvious that the "Jewish" voice is propagating modern Muslim theories against Judaism to defend the Qur'an here.

Could it be then some sort of Quranic contradiction stating that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah just like Quran states that Christians consider Mary as a God?
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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2013, 05:02:21 PM »


Could it be then some sort of Quranic contradiction stating that the Jews ascribe Ezra as a "partner" to Allah just like Quran states that Christians consider Mary as a God?

This is a possibility, but I personally tend to believe that this weird accusation targeting the Jews was deliberate as Muhammad needed to present Jews along with Christians as a community that associated partners with God. Note the structure and parallelism in that verse. Both groups are blamed for the same reason, only the name changing (Jews consider Ezra the Son of God whilst Christians consider Isa the Son of God...).

In short, it is more a slander than a contradiction or historical blunder IMO.  Wink
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2013, 05:15:36 PM »

Here are some accounts of Muslim conversions to Christianity, from various sources:

One in Kuwait, presumably to Protestantism: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.com/2010/10/kuwaiti-converts-to-christianity.html

Conversions from Islam to Orthodoxy in Turkey: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.com/2010/05/conversions-to-orthodoxy-in-turkey.html

A British da'i who became Orthodox: http://araborthodoxy.blogspot.com/2010/02/muslim-preacher-converts-to-orthodoxy.html
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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »

Everyone please stay on topic the question is:' Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?'

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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2013, 07:27:59 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

 I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 10 years; president of the Muslim Students Association at the local University.  I helped fund/start an international da'wah group with offices in Pakistan, Turkey and USA.  Thank God it was disbanded.  I converted to Christianity 9 years ago. 

 andrewlya, you can guess my ethnic background from my posting name; predominantly Scots/Irish.  My conversion story is on here somewhere so I probably won't type it out again.  I'll be happy to answer other questions provided you're not considering converting to Islam. 
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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2013, 09:49:35 PM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
and we are going to take a Jewish voice on that?

Any examples you can offer of "fake" Muslim converts to Christianity?  Because finding exposed fake Christian conversions to Islam is quite easy, e.g.:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/abuishaq.html

The knowledge of Muslims of Islam in general isn't so high, so even those born in Muslim families in Muslim countries wouldn't know the things you are alluding to, let alone be able to spot.

Btw, Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, all his descendants are/were Christian (I understand that one has apostacized and become Parsi, his father's original religion).

Interesting; where did you get the information that Jinnah was of Christian background?
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2013, 12:24:02 PM »

At my last parish, it seemed like about half of our converts were Muslim.   They found the transition to Orthodoxy smoother than most Christians who came from other Christian backgrounds.

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2013, 01:04:51 PM »

Really? What parish was it?
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St. Peter of Rostov was a "prince" of the Golden Horde who converted to Christianity; it's not clear to me if he was previously Muslim or not. This was the time when the Golden Horde was making the transition to Islam- St. Peter's uncle, Berke Khan, had become a Muslim.
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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2013, 01:47:28 PM »

I am sure there are more Muslim converts to Christianity on this forum ,but they have not probably come across this topic yet Smiley
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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2013, 01:50:45 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

 I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 10 years; president of the Muslim Students Association at the local University.  I helped fund/start an international da'wah group with offices in Pakistan, Turkey and USA.  Thank God it was disbanded.  I converted to Christianity 9 years ago. 

 andrewlya, you can guess my ethnic background from my posting name; predominantly Scots/Irish.  My conversion story is on here somewhere so I probably won't type it out again.  I'll be happy to answer other questions provided you're not considering converting to Islam. 

I've studied Islam but there are certain things in Qur'an that does not fit with my beliefs,things that, in my opinion, God would never have said. So, no, I am not considering to converting to Islam and Happy to be always a Christian.

I take it you were a Christian, then converted to Islam and then reverted back to Christianity? 
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At my last parish, it seemed like about half of our converts were Muslim.   They found the transition to Orthodoxy smoother than most Christians who came from other Christian backgrounds.



Yes, whereabouts is your Parish?
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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2013, 05:10:58 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

 I was a practicing Muslim for nearly 10 years; president of the Muslim Students Association at the local University.  I helped fund/start an international da'wah group with offices in Pakistan, Turkey and USA.  Thank God it was disbanded.  I converted to Christianity 9 years ago. 

 andrewlya, you can guess my ethnic background from my posting name; predominantly Scots/Irish.  My conversion story is on here somewhere so I probably won't type it out again.  I'll be happy to answer other questions provided you're not considering converting to Islam. 

I've studied Islam but there are certain things in Qur'an that does not fit with my beliefs,things that, in my opinion, God would never have said. So, no, I am not considering to converting to Islam and Happy to be always a Christian.

I take it you were a Christian, then converted to Islam and then reverted back to Christianity? 

 Well, I was raised Assemblies of God.  My dad was a pastor in Kentucky so I grew up in the church. 
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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2013, 12:27:32 PM »

I will not say that it don't happen that Muslims become Christian but I do know you can go on youtube and see hundreds of fake Muslim converts to Christian. There are things in Islam that just are not known to the public. You could read the Quran 100 times and never know such things. That's how Muslims know their fake.
and we are going to take a Jewish voice on that?

Any examples you can offer of "fake" Muslim converts to Christianity?  Because finding exposed fake Christian conversions to Islam is quite easy, e.g.:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/abuishaq.html

The knowledge of Muslims of Islam in general isn't so high, so even those born in Muslim families in Muslim countries wouldn't know the things you are alluding to, let alone be able to spot.

Btw, Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, all his descendants are/were Christian (I understand that one has apostacized and become Parsi, his father's original religion).

Interesting; where did you get the information that Jinnah was of Christian background?
He wasn't, he was of Isma'ili background.  His daughter, however, converted, and she married a Parsi convert to Christianity (Jinnah married a Parsi convert to Islam, IIRC, so the daughter had that background already).

I only mention this because the OP has come across the propaganda Muslims put out that no one ever converts to Christianity from Islam, and certainly no notable Muslims.  Jinnah's family was the first family of Pakistan, a country Jinnah founded solely on the basis of Islam, where he is revered as Father of the Nation, Greatest Leader etc. .  Yet his family from that height chose Christianity over Islam.

Btw., as a bit of irony, the Lord played a joke on the Muslim nationalists.  Given the reverence of Jinnah, his birthday is the National Holiday of Pakistan.  And his birthday?  December 25.

On the source of my information, my doctorate studies were in Islam.
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2013, 03:25:50 PM »

This was a facinating book that I read in regarding a very notable convert whose father is very influential in Hamas.  He isn't Orthodox or on this forum, but his story is quite interesting.

http://www.sonofhamas.com/
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There's also Saint Constantine Hagarite. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Constantine_Hagarit

Isn't it a bit inaccurate to call him "Hagarit," though, since "Hagarite/Hagarene" was a mediaeval way of referring to Muslims and he specifically converted out of Islam?
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my doctorate studies were in Islam.

Do you mind being more specific? Curious.
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I'll be posting my story either tonight or tomorrow once I type it all up. I went from lapsed Catholic, to Islam, and finally to attending the Greek Orthodox church.  Grin
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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2013, 04:55:28 PM »

my doctorate studies were in Islam.

Do you mind being more specific? Curious.
Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.
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my doctorate studies were in Islam.

Do you mind being more specific? Curious.
Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.

Psht, I think we need someone with knowledge of LATER Islamic History.  That degree just won't do. Sorry.  Wink
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There is a Wikipedia article listing Muslims that have converted to Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Islam
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my doctorate studies were in Islam.

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Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.

Psht, I think we need someone with knowledge of LATER Islamic History.  That degree just won't do. Sorry.  Wink
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Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.

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Do you mind me asking what you do for a living, ialmisry?  What caused you to get a PhD in that?
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« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2013, 10:29:32 PM »

I'll try and make this as short as I can. I grew up in the rural Southern part of the States, raised in Catholic family. I was a 'good' Catholic girl, went to a Catholic school for quite a while, spent more time in the Church than almost anyone in my family besides my grandmother. Around age 14 something changed, I still am not really sure what triggered it but I started to become really disheartened with the Catholic church. Looking back, I equated Catholic with being Christian in general. I was young, and probably a little dumb to think there was nothing besides this and being Protestant, but then again I was living in a town of 1,900 people and those were the only options around I knew of. By 15 I had decided I would not be Catholic, especially after taking a required class in World Religions. Admittedly, I liked Islam because at the time it seemed like a perfect continuation of Christianity to me. I spent close to a year studying off and on, in secret, about Islam and attending classes at the mosque in the next county. I became Muslim when I was 17 right after my senior year of high school started and got married almost as soon as I turned the legal age to do so(2004). I'll skip the entire bit about my family being unhappy because they thought I was throwing my life away, but know they were highly displeased for a good while. Their unhappiness went up when I started to become more and more extreme, attending a Salafi masjid and going by an Arabic name. I stayed this way until around 2009, after I had my first son.

In a nutshell, I could never be a good enough Muslim. I was too nice, too tolerant, too open minded and so on. I wore the abaya, hijab and sometimes niqab, prayed and fasted, and lead a women's revert group. I am an ECE teacher and I taught 4 year olds at the mosque about Allah, Muhammed and Islam on the weekends, too, all trying to be the best Muslim I could to please my creator and somehow make up for my 'faults' I mentioned. By this time my marriage had turned abusive and much of this was not taken seriously by the Muslim community, if anything it was justified using Islam. There is no need to give the details of how and why my marriage ended, but in 2011 I had an annulment that made it void and left to rebuild my life. At this point I was Muslim by outer appearance only, I was empty inside, I almost felt like my Arabic named alter-ego had killed who I really was. I had many encounters during the 2011-12 year with Christians, inviting me to churches, trying to talk to me and tell me about what they said was the truth yet I always said "I am Muslim, no thanks." There was always a little nagging desire though to just go back into a church and see, I think I told myself for memory's sake or something. I clung to Islam, the only thing I had known since I was 17 because I now thought I somehow wasn't good enough for anything else, yet I did not want my children to grow up as Muslims. I had this fear that I would go into a church and everyone would know I used to be Christian and left the faith for Islam, and it would be like when Muslims leave the faith. I thought they would think I was some type of apostate who should be at the very least turned away instantly.

I had become friends with a Coptic Egyptian, and we had the best conversations about Islam and Christianity. It was through this person that I really got my information about Orthodoxy, and how so many of the good things in Islam I liked were taken from early Christianity. I knew I had no desire to go back to being Catholic, yet at this point I did not want to be Muslim anymore either. I visited a few Orthodox churches(all of which were really nice) before seeking out the one and only Greek Orthodox church in my city and attending liturgy there. I am beyond happy to say that this is what I have been seeking since I was 15, it feels like I've finally found my home so to speak. For now I am just attending, but spoke to Father a few weeks ago about catechumen and am hopeful about starting that journey sometime this summer. Sorry if there are holes in my story, I tried to clip out unimportant stuff and just give the basics!
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« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2013, 10:37:01 PM »

rebecca.ann - welcome to the forum.   Smiley

I hope that the Lord watches over you as you continue your journey to Orthodox Christianity.   

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« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2013, 02:57:56 PM »

welcome and may God guide and protect you.
are your children with you, or do they live with their father?

i know from my friends' experiences that these situations can be difficult sometimes.
of course, feel free not to answer questions if you think they are too personal.
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« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2013, 07:13:12 PM »

mabsoota, thank-you and no worries, it isn't too personal.

I am lucky that my kids are with me, and their father only has a mild interest in them so far. Of course things could change concerning that but it doesn't look like it to me. I however can't take them to the Church with me out of fear that they would mention it(they are both 5 and under so unable to understand keeping something to themselves) on a chance visit with him and then who knows what he could get started; I assume their father thinks we are all still Muslim. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2013, 12:43:49 PM »

wow, tricky.
i would suggest you pray with them at home, though.
use prayers in an orthodox prayer book, and if you teach them to prostrate in the orthodox Christian way when praying, it might not look strange if they mimic this with others who are used to prostrations in prayer.
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« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2013, 12:54:22 PM »

my doctorate studies were in Islam.

Do you mind being more specific? Curious.
Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.

Psht, I think we need someone with knowledge of LATER Islamic History.  That degree just won't do. Sorry.  Wink
Then you know nothing of the Salafists.

It isn't a very recent phenomenon?
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« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2013, 01:33:53 PM »


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It isn't a very recent phenomenon?


Ibn Taymiyya pretty well got that train moving 700 years ago....
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It isn't a very recent phenomenon?


Ibn Taymiyya pretty well got that train moving 700 years ago....


LOL. Has it gained more popularity during recent decades or have I just been plain old ignorant?
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« Reply #75 on: May 26, 2013, 02:26:31 PM »

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LOL. Has it gained more popularity during recent decades or have I just been plain old ignorant?

That part is complicated. Muslim political ideologies have been in flux since the end of anyone really claiming the caliphate in 1924. But, the big story of modern Islam, I suppose is the absorption of modernizing reformist movements (such as the trend starting with Jamal al-Din al-Afghani) into Wahhabism/Hanbalism, which has only really become almost complete in the last 20-30 years. One could also speak of the ideologization of various kinds of tribal barbarism (such as among the Pashtun or in Northern Nigeria) along Wahhabi/Hanbali lines. Also, while people have from very early on in Islam held to naive attitudes toward text similar to the ideas of our modern Salafis (the term itself is modern), that wasn't quite so problematic before mass literacy and printed materials. Also, where in the past most Sunnis were willing to give only grudging respect to Hanbalis, economics has changed that.
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« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2013, 03:10:57 AM »

Practiscing muslim for some 20 years. However was raised and baptised in a protestant family...Orthodoxy attracted me for many reasons most of which were in the main 'political and social'. Somehow the 'spiritual' was down on the list but actually the overriding factor. Without detailing specifics went thru several phases of Islam, from quasi-Islam to heterodox Islam to mainstream Islam. Ultimately Islam as a religion was wanting, a vapid wasteland that did not feed me a true spiritual sustenence I needed to feel whole, to feel like I was part of the Body of Christ and his church...After I left Islam I even became somewhat agnostic for a year and then the skies opened to the sunshine of the Ancient Faith....With all that said there are still some social and cultural issues that I find problematic in Orthodoxy yet I am commited because of the limitless horizon Orthodoxy holds for me on all levels of daily living in this life and the after life to come.
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« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2013, 07:14:32 AM »

I know people who converted to Christianity from Islam, most of them did so during and after the Sharia(the name given 2 attempted jihads that took place between 2000 and 2001 in Kaduna City, my residence city).
Even the daughter of the Nigerian Sultan or Caliph converted to Christianity.
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« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2013, 08:26:43 AM »

my doctorate studies were in Islam.

Do you mind being more specific? Curious.
Early Islamic History and Islamic Thought.

lol Really? That must've been helpful.  Roll Eyes
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It isn't a very recent phenomenon?


Ibn Taymiyya pretty well got that train moving 700 years ago....


LOL. Has it gained more popularity during recent decades or have I just been plain old ignorant?

Who do you think bin Laden and al-Qaeda are? I'll give you a hint, clearly not Salafi-jihadis.
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« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2013, 06:29:38 PM »

I know people who converted to Christianity from Islam, most of them did so during and after the Sharia(the name given 2 attempted jihads that took place between 2000 and 2001 in Kaduna City, my residence city).
Even the daughter of the Nigerian Sultan or Caliph converted to Christianity.

This is interesting. Are converts persecuted in Nigeria like they are in other countries, such as Egypt?
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I know people who converted to Christianity from Islam, most of them did so during and after the Sharia(the name given 2 attempted jihads that took place between 2000 and 2001 in Kaduna City, my residence city).
Even the daughter of the Nigerian Sultan or Caliph converted to Christianity.

This is interesting. Are converts persecuted in Nigeria like they are in other countries, such as Egypt?
Converts in the northern region(which is predominantly Muslim inhabited) are persecuted but those in other regions are free. in the north only the police or military will save converts from the hands of danger because family members and other relatives seek to hunt them out and kill them. convert usually run away from the region or move to another place within that they are not recognized.
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« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2013, 12:50:48 PM »

Hi all, what I'd like to know is whether there are any Christian converts from Islam on this forum?

I've spoken to a Muslim friend just recently who was surprised that some Muslims convert to Christianity. Also, some Muslims believe that statements made by ex Muslims that converted to Christianity are made up/false claims.

If there are any converts on this forum ,please tell me how you came to become a Christian.

I also understand that for the reason of reprisals ex-Muslims keep it quiet, but if possible state what your ethnicity is, country of origin/present country etc.

I am highly interested in knowing this.

Thank you very much, God bless in Christ.

It's interesting you should mention this - just a few days ago, I was in my church for service (the side church room on non-Sundays) and I went to venerate the icons in the actual Church area after the service, and as I venerated each icon, I heard 'group voices' coming from the entry of the church, by the front doors. I look behind to see a group of ten Muslims, dressed in jeans but wearing their caps and some wearing their long shirts to the knees. I was there for about 5 minutes, praying, and I tried not to get distracted by them, though they weren't loud but they weren't whispering either. They were speaking half English, half Arabic and basically pointed to the Alter and the Icons all around. They never walked into the church and just stood by the foyer.  As I proceeded to leave , I had to walk towards them, as they were by the door, and upon approaching, they moved out of the way for me to pass, as one of them smiled and said 'thank you' to me (for reasons I didn't understand.) Then they left.

Honestly,  I did not like how they walked in as they did. My church is in a nice neighborhood, and aside from surveillance (I assume,) there isn't much security around. I felt to question why they were there. I actually felt uncomfortable, and my mind went to the worst like, are they thinking to do something bad here??!! I pray no, of course! I always think of these people as 'imposing,' and people who just 'steal' things, land, etc. wherever they go (due to history, this is my assumption of them,) however, I don't know if they were indeed Christian since I did not see them cross themselves. However, they could be those who want to learn about our Orthodox faith, and came as a group to show others? like Ive said, they were there 3-5 minutes tops.
 
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It isn't a very recent phenomenon?


Ibn Taymiyya pretty well got that train moving 700 years ago....


LOL. Has it gained more popularity during recent decades or have I just been plain old ignorant?

Who do you think bin Laden and al-Qaeda are? I'll give you a hint, clearly not Salafi-jihadis.

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« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2013, 01:07:32 PM »

Honestly,  I did not like how they walked in as they did. My church is in a nice neighborhood, and aside from surveillance (I assume,) there isn't much security around. I felt to question why they were there. I actually felt uncomfortable, and my mind went to the worst like, are they thinking to do something bad here??!! I pray no, of course! I always think of these people as 'imposing,' and people who just 'steal' things, land, etc. wherever they go (due to history, this is my assumption of them,) however, I don't know if they were indeed Christian since I did not see them cross themselves. However, they could be those who want to learn about our Orthodox faith, and came as a group to show others? like Ive said, they were there 3-5 minutes tops.
 

I'm sorry that this was your reaction.  Have you had some bad experiences personally with Muslims or with Arabs? 

I think, if we generalise too much about "Muslims" and what "these people" are up to in our "nice neighbourhoods", etc., we're not really behaving like Christians.  I suppose it's natural to be concerned if you see strangers just walk in off the street and there's no one at the door to greet them and "vet" them so to speak, but by your own account, they stayed in the back for a short time, didn't venture in, just looked around, talked among themselves, and were thankful to you for no reason.  They could be interested in the faith, or they might just have decided to see if it was open because they were curious.  There are a number of reasons why they might've stopped in.  Granted, we should be vigilant because anything is possible, yet, I think it's a sad reflection on Christians if we build houses for God and then want to be too restrictive on who gets to step foot on the property. 

And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.   
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Honestly,  I did not like how they walked in as they did. My church is in a nice neighborhood, and aside from surveillance (I assume,) there isn't much security around. I felt to question why they were there. I actually felt uncomfortable, and my mind went to the worst like, are they thinking to do something bad here??!! I pray no, of course! I always think of these people as 'imposing,' and people who just 'steal' things, land, etc. wherever they go (due to history, this is my assumption of them,) however, I don't know if they were indeed Christian since I did not see them cross themselves. However, they could be those who want to learn about our Orthodox faith, and came as a group to show others? like Ive said, they were there 3-5 minutes tops.
 

I'm sorry that this was your reaction.  Have you had some bad experiences personally with Muslims or with Arabs? 

I think, if we generalise too much about "Muslims" and what "these people" are up to in our "nice neighbourhoods", etc., we're not really behaving like Christians.  I suppose it's natural to be concerned if you see strangers just walk in off the street and there's no one at the door to greet them and "vet" them so to speak, but by your own account, they stayed in the back for a short time, didn't venture in, just looked around, talked among themselves, and were thankful to you for no reason.  They could be interested in the faith, or they might just have decided to see if it was open because they were curious.  There are a number of reasons why they might've stopped in.  Granted, we should be vigilant because anything is possible, yet, I think it's a sad reflection on Christians if we build houses for God and then want to be too restrictive on who gets to step foot on the property. 

And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.   

Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways. Actually, to a degree, I have had a handful of bad experiences with them at my workplace, needless to say, if I were to average them, 7/10 were bad experiences. However, I do understand those seven do not account for the race in its entirety.

I think the one that thanked me, said it as in, 'thank you for allowing us to enter and observe' so to speak. I would like to think that he thanked me in the sense that he/they didn't mean to disturb me in prayer and felt appreciative of how he was allowed in without question.

Again, if they were on the verge of conversion and wanted to either show or convince they 'others' to follow, then by all means, have them in at any time. But, I still remain spectacle of these people and their ways, but I will never prevent an honest-willing Muslim to enter salvation through Christ. After all, Muslims are terribly misguided in their beliefs and faith, and I do hope each and every one of them sees The Light and The Truth as soon as possible.
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« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2013, 01:48:49 PM »

And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.    

We all are sinners, yes?

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And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.    

We all are sinners, yes?


Yes, we are all sinners.  My point was simply that I'd be more worried about Christians coming into churches, vandalising, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., whether it is in the actual church building or the rest of the property, embezzling parish funds, and so on.  Many such things have been done by people of the right ethnicity who knew what icons to venerate and how to make the sign of the cross.  Such people blend in easier.  They have greater and more regular access to the church.  They wouldn't automatically be suspected. 
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And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.    

We all are sinners, yes?


Yes, we are all sinners.  My point was simply that I'd be more worried about Christians coming into churches, vandalising, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., whether it is in the actual church building or the rest of the property, embezzling parish funds, and so on.  Many such things have been done by people of the right ethnicity who knew what icons to venerate and how to make the sign of the cross.  Such people blend in easier.  They have greater and more regular access to the church.  They wouldn't automatically be suspected. 

If they are adhering to the acts of the Devil, then yes, i'd agree with you there!

However, I find it very hard to see a parishioner of the church, and of the same faith, would be suspected of "vandalizing, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., " upon entering the church during non-services hours. Not saying it doesn't happen! But non-parishioners and those of other faiths entering my church during non-services would raise my eyebrows first. Just saying...
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« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2013, 02:18:30 PM »

However, I find it very hard to see a parishioner of the church, and of the same faith, would be suspected of "vandalizing, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., " upon entering the church during non-services hours. Not saying it doesn't happen! But non-parishioners and those of other faiths entering my church during non-services would raise my eyebrows first. Just saying...

I mean no disrespect, but it's odd to read these words next to your avatar.  St Irene's, unfortunately, was no stranger to dimensions of Christian sinfulness that would raise a lot more than eyebrows.  Thank God if those days are finally gone, but before the darkness was driven away, would anyone have suspected there was anything but light in that holy place?  Sadly, it is not the only example, was not the first, won't be the last, and perhaps wasn't even the worst. 

Our energies would be better spent confronting sinfulness wherever we find it, and not presuming that our own people are OK but others need to be watched.     
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Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways

M...hmm.
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However, I find it very hard to see a parishioner of the church, and of the same faith, would be suspected of "vandalizing, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., " upon entering the church during non-services hours. Not saying it doesn't happen! But non-parishioners and those of other faiths entering my church during non-services would raise my eyebrows first. Just saying...

St Irene's, unfortunately, was no stranger to dimensions of Christian sinfulness that would raise a lot more than eyebrows.       

Really? St. Irene Chrysovalantou? Enlighten me, because I haven't come across any. However, how many saints in our faith were sinful in the greatest amount, repented, and were elevated to the highest degree of holiness? Many. St. Mary of Egypt is a great example of this. Unless it is her you are confusing St. Irene Chrysovalantou with?

However, if you experienced that situation I did a few days ago, I highly doubt your eyebrows wouldn't raise. Unless, you're much holier than me, which may be the case.
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« Reply #92 on: November 11, 2013, 06:39:16 PM »

Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways

M...hmm.

honestly I didn't! Just wanted to prove a point.
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Sometimes my posts are too subtle. Embarrassed
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« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2013, 06:46:39 PM »

Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways

M...hmm.

Muslims are not a race.
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Really? St. Irene Chrysovalantou? Enlighten me, because I haven't come across any. However, how many saints in our faith were sinful in the greatest amount, repented, and were elevated to the highest degree of holiness? Many. St. Mary of Egypt is a great example of this. Unless it is her you are confusing St. Irene Chrysovalantou with?

I wasn't referring to the saint, but to incidents in the recent history of the monastery dedicated to her.  Those things were all perpetrated by and upon Orthodox Christians.  

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I wasn't there, and I'm not holy, so I don't know what I'd do.  I just think suspicion ought not be our first reaction as Christians.  If it is, then we've got our work cut out for us.  
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Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways

M...hmm.

Muslims are not a race.

I like how we completely ridicule other's posts when we clearly see and understand other's point and reason! Nice!!  Roll Eyes
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Really? St. Irene Chrysovalantou? Enlighten me, because I haven't come across any. However, how many saints in our faith were sinful in the greatest amount, repented, and were elevated to the highest degree of holiness? Many. St. Mary of Egypt is a great example of this. Unless it is her you are confusing St. Irene Chrysovalantou with?

I wasn't referring to the saint, but to incidents in the recent history of the monastery dedicated to her.  Those things were all perpetrated by and upon Orthodox Christians.  

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However, if you experienced that situation I did a few days ago, I highly doubt your eyebrows wouldn't raise. Unless, you're much holier than me, which may be the case.

I wasn't there, and I'm not holy, so I don't know what I'd do.  I just think suspicion ought not be our first reaction as Christians.  If it is, then we've got our work cut out for us.  

My apologies. Yes, I have heard about the accusations surrounding her monastery and the priests. However, it doesn't sway my opinion of the Greek Orthodox Church, or my faith as a Greek Orthodox. However, we have (yet again) sabotage a thread in such a way to get off topic. I just said that I am weary of non-Christian orthodox entering my place of worship in a manner that appears very comfortable in approach (meaning they just stroll in), uninviting, lacking a certain 'fear' of the holy place, and such manners. That's all. If they wanted to REALLY come in and inquire, the church's office is always open - speak to the priest and get permission, and stay as long as you like. Just simple, respectful acts that don't warrant raising eyebrows.
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2013, 07:05:37 PM »

Well, I did not want to come off racist, and generalize the whole Muslim race based on current views of them and their ways

M...hmm.

Muslims are not a race.

I like how we completely ridicule other's posts when we clearly see and understand other's point and reason! Nice!!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2013, 07:20:12 PM »

However, we have (yet again) sabotage a thread in such a way to get off topic.

I'm sorry, I disagree.  I simply used a situation with which I know you're familiar in order to demonstrate that it's not the case that all non-Orthodox deserve suspicion for simply entering one of our churches uninvited while the Orthodox are above suspicion.  I would use my parish as an example, but you're not familiar with it most likely.  

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I just said that I am weary of non-Christian orthodox entering my place of worship in a manner that appears very comfortable in approach (meaning they just stroll in), uninviting, lacking a certain 'fear' of the holy place, and such manners. That's all. If they wanted to REALLY come in and inquire, the church's office is always open - speak to the priest and get permission, and stay as long as you like. Just simple, respectful acts that don't warrant raising eyebrows.

What's the likelihood that the non-Orthodox population of the world knows that, in order to visit a church, they should first check in with the priest in the church office and then enter with "fear"?  Especially when this is hardly a universal way of doing things in Orthodoxy or Christianity as a whole?  

If there is a real danger or threat to someone entering and having access to the church, by all means restrict or prohibit such access.  But really, in most cases the visitor should get the benefit of the doubt right off the bat: whether s/he knows it or not, they're in the presence of their Maker.  Why should we automatically stand in the way until we're convinced to step aside?  

The Church is not ours, it's Christ's.  And Christ gave people the benefit of the doubt.  At least.  
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« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2013, 10:49:16 PM »

And most bad things done in churches are done by Christians.    

We all are sinners, yes?


Yes, we are all sinners.  My point was simply that I'd be more worried about Christians coming into churches, vandalising, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., whether it is in the actual church building or the rest of the property, embezzling parish funds, and so on.  Many such things have been done by people of the right ethnicity who knew what icons to venerate and how to make the sign of the cross.  Such people blend in easier.  They have greater and more regular access to the church.  They wouldn't automatically be suspected. 

If they are adhering to the acts of the Devil, then yes, i'd agree with you there!

However, I find it very hard to see a parishioner of the church, and of the same faith, would be suspected of "vandalizing, polluting, stealing, disrespecting, etc., " upon entering the church during non-services hours. Not saying it doesn't happen! But non-parishioners and those of other faiths entering my church during non-services would raise my eyebrows first. Just saying...

It does raise an eyebrow, however it is best to try to not assume they could be looking for problems. Perhaps they just admired the area or were curious. I took a curious visit to a Coptic Church here and if I didn't have a weird sense of humor concerning how I was treated at first I may not have gone back and stayed Muslim.

I do get it, though.
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