"filioque"? I am not sure I know what this is....I may but not in this term...I dont know so I cant respond to this...yet
It's the part of the Creed where you say, "And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son
. Those last three words are filioque
in Latin and were added to the Creed in the 500s without the consent of the Eastern Church, who still doesn't include it in the Creed. So we see it as an illegal addition, as well as just plain false.
This belief was shared for centuries of the papal infallibility until the church broke off....I was just curious why the change of feeling on this?
Huh. My understanding was that many bishops were under the impression that popes could
err prior to V1.
I am sorry for me being stupid....but could you help me understand what you mean [about scholasticism]?
Oh, you are not stupid!
All that means is the need to define everything. The word transubstantiation is how Rome defined the way in which the bread and wine are changed into the Body and Blood of Christ. We just don't see how that's very important; we say it's a mystery and leave it at that.
You dont believe in [indulgences/purgatory/limbo]? but it is in the bible...what do you believe...does one go straight to heaven?
Well, we believe in an intermediate state of the dead where we get our final purification before going to heaven, but it's for entirely different reasons than the purgatory of the Catholic Church...again, they define something further than they need to and wind up going astray.
What do you mean too much emphasis on orignal sin? I am not understanding this. I know one needs to know about the orginal sin to know the importance of baptism...
And there is an original sin in Orthodoxy...we just differ on how much that first sin affects us. I believe this was touched on by Paradosis in this thread
...again I am sorry for not understanding...I am stupid...
And again, I say, you're not! You know, in a way, you're blessed in a way we eggheads and "Geek Orthodox" aren't! You have a much better chance at approaching childlike faith, I think, than we do, because you get along just fine without having to know about the "whens," "whys," "hows" and "whos" of history, patristics, liturgics, and all that other "churchy" stuff. Not that that stuff is bad, but it's like the guy who listened to the astronomy professor go on and on about the mathematical formulas of the paths of the stars for hours, then went outside that night and, simply and in awe, just looked
at the stars.
My patron saint, Peter, was an unlearned fisherman. I'm a college-educated Spanish teacher who's looking to go into a M.Ed. program. Who's got the better faith between us?
? (regarding the doctrine of satisfaction atonement)
This is the idea that Jesus died on the Cross to satisfy God's anger or restore His honor, which has been offended by our sin. A payment, in other words, for our debt of sin, which God pays himself and which will then allow us a "clean slate" and entrance into heaven, since God can't stand to have sin in His presence or allow sin to go unpunished due to His honor.
Problem with this is, God has no problem being around sin; it's us with the problem. He has no problem forgiving sin at the drop of a hat with no repayment; He did this while on earth. We in the East look at it this way: sin's not a debt to be paid; it's a sickness to be healed. The Catholic idea, to us, focuses too much on the outside--paying some kind of debt--and not enough on the inside--healing the effects of sin. It's like going into a doctor's office and the doctor says to you, "You're all better now," without actually treating what's sick on the inside.
we fast and there are rules...not sure if anybody follows it or not...but I do...maybe there is a different rule between orthodox and RCC? if so what is your rule?
Glad to hear you follow it...Orthodox abstain from animal products, wine and oil on almost every Wednesday and Friday of the year, as well as during Lent. There's a lighter version of this for the forty days prior to Nativity (fish/wine/oil allowed on weekends, wine/oil on Tuesdays and Thursdays). We also have a two-week fast in August before the falling asleep of the Blessed Virgin Mary and a fast in June for the Apostles.
and again thanks