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Could I clone myself the perfect woman?
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Could I clone myself the perfect woman?
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Could I clone myself the perfect woman?
You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self! That might be your perfect match?? Doubtful. Opposites attract. I am glad that I did not marry myself. QFT!!! |
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You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self!
That might be your perfect match??
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I think God is going to return soon. This world is too far fallen.
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 02:27:31 AM » |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2013, 08:35:47 AM » |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? It never has in the past. Precisely. I wonder what sanctions/punishments accompany that ban for those who violate it and get caught? Very good question. I have no idea. |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? Well, supposedly they did find Nimrod's tomb. U.S. military surrounded it as well as Israel secret service.... (google for sources as there are many).  Some say the cloned Nimrod will be the antichrist.... Love stuff like this. It's fun, has a point, is vexing, is outrage!, and great all at the same time. If you want to visit some fun stuff, google about this topic. |
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They already did clone Nimrod. He was a US president. (I'll leave it to someone else to conjecture who that is) |
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Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe. Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done. Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive. Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong? Didn’t think so. Oh, and your shot at the wrong target. I said it and he repeated what I said. |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe. Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done. Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive. Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong? Didn’t think so. Oh, and your shot at the wrong target. I said it and he repeated what I said. I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading. |
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Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe. Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done. Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive. Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong? Didn’t think so. Oh, and your shot at the wrong target. I said it and he repeated what I said. I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading. I understood what you wrote. If not, you should have no problem explaining. Perhaps you meant something different. |
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If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it? Where is this suffering from a horrible death? Don't slip to hard on that slope Refusal to answer? I am shocked. And I take issue with how your question was worded, so you need to answer mine first. |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe. Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done. Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive. Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong? Didn’t think so. Oh, and your shot at the wrong target. I said it and he repeated what I said. I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading. I understood what you wrote. If not, you should have no problem explaining. Perhaps you meant something different. You still missed "the target". I'll wait till you have read it. |
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Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. So, let's see.....I'm trying to understand your point here. You highlighted the first clause of the sentence I repeated from Kerdy's post, and then wrote, "We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness." Were your words a reference to me and you are saying that I don't care about morals and ethics anymore? Or were they a reference to Kerdy and saying that he doesn't care about morals and ethics anymore? If either of those is the case, that seems like a) an ad hominem attack, AND b) Achronos talking out his ass again, trying to be clever and it ain't working. You see, you have no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement about either of us, thus making the statement a lie. Yes, I wrote "lie". You are lying either about me or about Kerdy or about both of us---if your statement is to be understood as I believe you meant it. But, hopefully I'm wrong and you didn't mean it that way. So...that's the first possibility. Another is (you see, I'm trying to give you an "out" here--if there is one, that is)....well, how else would one understand your post? Ok, got it--you're saying that I or Kerdy don't have "...the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent" to clone humans. Well, that's true. But why even make such a statement? I'm pretty sure Kerdy wouldn't even consider it and I know I wouldn't consider it. So, what's IS your point? Or...are you just having a bad day and the venom spews all by itself from your brain through your fingers onto the keyboard? |
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My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.
Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness. So, let's see.....I'm trying to understand your point here. You highlighted the first clause of the sentence I repeated from Kerdy's post, and then wrote, "We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness." Were your words a reference to me and you are saying that I don't care about morals and ethics anymore? Or were they a reference to Kerdy and saying that he doesn't care about morals and ethics anymore? If either of those is the case, that seems like a) an ad hominem attack, AND b) Achronos talking out his ass again, trying to be clever and it ain't working. You see, you have no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement about either of us, thus making the statement a lie. Yes, I wrote "lie". You are lying either about me or about Kerdy or about both of us---if your statement is to be understood as I believe you meant it. But, hopefully I'm wrong and you didn't mean it that way. So...that's the first possibility. Another is (you see, I'm trying to give you an "out" here--if there is one, that is)....well, how else would one understand your post? Ok, got it--you're saying that I or Kerdy don't have "...the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent" to clone humans. Well, that's true. But why even make such a statement? I'm pretty sure Kerdy wouldn't even consider it and I know I wouldn't consider it. So, what's IS your point? Or...are you just having a bad day and the venom spews all by itself from your brain through your fingers onto the keyboard? Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible, but not yet at Isa's terrible level. Then you say few people care about such things which makes you self-righteous. Many of us actually do care about the wellbeing of our fellow man. |
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Morality and nature are not related at all. Rape is natural yet, it is immoral. Morality isn't defined by nature nor is nature defined by morality. Morality is morality and nature is nature. JamesR pwns, for real |
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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2013, 06:48:17 PM » |
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is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? Sounds like a good starting point on what should be classified as immoral. Let's try corporations that do all of the above. Sinful? Absolutely. In fact the very beginnings of commerce is sinful in itself. But you remain mute when it doesn't involve the destruction of a fetus. |
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2013, 07:05:57 PM » |
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Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible Well THAT escalated quickly... |
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Have you considered the possibility that your face is an ad hominem?
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2013, 07:24:56 PM » |
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Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible Well THAT escalated quickly... Oh let me be jocular please. I just want J Michael to get angry at other things. In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light... |
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Morality and nature are not related at all. Rape is natural yet, it is immoral. Morality isn't defined by nature nor is nature defined by morality. Morality is morality and nature is nature. JamesR pwns, for real |
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2013, 12:52:26 AM » |
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Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible Well THAT escalated quickly... Oh let me be jocular please. I just want J Michael to get angry at other things. In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light... Because everyone who disagrees with you is a bad person, right? |
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"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2013, 04:35:39 AM » |
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Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible Well THAT escalated quickly... Oh let me be jocular please. I just want J Michael to get angry at other things. In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light... Because everyone who disagrees with you is a bad person, right? Bingo! |
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