Author Topic: Cloning humans  (Read 2960 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.


Offline mike

  • Stratopedarches
  • **************
  • Posts: 22,589
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2013, 12:20:17 PM »
When linking news articles/stories, please only copy the first paragraph or at most two as an intro text, with a link to the original, so we can obviate any accusations of exceeding "fair use" allowances in terms of copyright.
Hyperdox Herman, Eastern Orthodox Christian News - fb, Eastern Orthodox Christian News - tt

not everything I typed before [insert current date] may reflect my current views on the subject

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,725
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2013, 12:38:02 PM »
It's a brave (??) new world.
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline LizaSymonenko

  • Слава Ісусу Христу!!! Glory to Jesus Christ!!!
  • Global Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • ******
  • Posts: 14,024
    • St.Mary the Protectress Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral
  • Faith: Eastern Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the U.S.A.
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2013, 12:38:59 PM »

It's a scary new world.
Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.
—St. Isaac of Syria

Offline Ashman618

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 504
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2013, 12:47:21 PM »
When linking news articles/stories, please only copy the first paragraph or at most two as an intro text, with a link to the original, so we can obviate any accusations of exceeding "fair use" allowances in terms of copyright.

Sorry how do I correct this now?

Offline mike

  • Stratopedarches
  • **************
  • Posts: 22,589
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2013, 12:54:26 PM »
When linking news articles/stories, please only copy the first paragraph or at most two as an intro text, with a link to the original, so we can obviate any accusations of exceeding "fair use" allowances in terms of copyright.

Sorry how do I correct this now?

You can't. Don't do it again.
Hyperdox Herman, Eastern Orthodox Christian News - fb, Eastern Orthodox Christian News - tt

not everything I typed before [insert current date] may reflect my current views on the subject

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The cat is back and its better than ever!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,705
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 02:09:18 PM »
I am facinated by the story, but wow, does that raise some crazy ethical and moral concerns!  :o
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

Offline JamesR

  • Virginal Chicano Blood
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,640
  • 1951-2015 Memory Eternal Uncle Roy--40 Days of Mourning.
  • Faith: Misotheistic Eastern Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Orthodox Church *of* America
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 10:27:45 PM »
Could I clone myself the perfect woman?
...Or it's just possible he's a mouthy young man on an internet forum.
In the infinite wisdom of God, James can be all three.

Offline Ashman618

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 504
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 10:35:42 PM »
Could I clone myself the perfect woman?

You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self!

That might be your perfect match??

Offline Maria

  • Orthodox Christian
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,361
  • O most Holy Theotokos, save us.
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: GOC
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 10:41:04 PM »
Could I clone myself the perfect woman?

You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self!

That might be your perfect match??

Doubtful. Opposites attract.
I am glad that I did not marry myself.
Ἅγιος ὁ Θεός
Ἅγιος ἰσχυρός
Ἅγιος ἀθάνατος
ἐλέησον ἡμας

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The cat is back and its better than ever!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,705
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2013, 07:57:09 AM »
Could I clone myself the perfect woman?

You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self!

That might be your perfect match??

Doubtful. Opposites attract.
I am glad that I did not marry myself.

QFT!!!
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

Offline Remora

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 18
  • in mora, memor remorae sum
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2013, 08:17:42 AM »


You could clone yourself and then inhibit the chemical sequences which cause you to be male; as too make a woman clone of your self!

That might be your perfect match??
If it wasn't also incestuous, like matching up with your twin... good gosh nooo

See, this is why we can't be entrusted with cloning. xD
It is a small fish, about six inches long, but when it attaches to a ship the ship cannot move, but seems rooted in the sea, despite raging storms and gales. This fish is also called "delay" (mora) because it causes ships to stand still. 
(Isidore of Seville, Etymologies, Book 12, 6:34)

Offline yeshuaisiam

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,697
  • A pulling horse cannot kick.
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2013, 10:03:30 PM »
I think God is going to return soon.  This world is too far fallen.
I learned how to be more frugal and save money at http://www.livingpress.com

Offline Dpaula

  • Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 295
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 10:51:50 PM »

I am glad that I did not marry myself.

Hm. What an interesting thought!

I don't think I'd like "me" very much either.

Does that mean I should change?
Not posting anymore due to the rudeness on this site.

Offline Gunnarr

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,942
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2013, 02:10:28 AM »
I think God is going to return soon.  This world is too far fallen.

I dont know if he will but I hope he does soon... well not too soon I have not confessed

I am a demonic servant! Beware!

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2013, 02:22:32 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2013, 02:27:31 AM »
I am facinated by the story, but wow, does that raise some crazy ethical and moral concerns!  :o

It sure does, but few care about ethics and morals anymore.

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2013, 02:28:58 AM »
It's a brave (??) new world.


It's a scary new world.

It's an evil sinful world with blurred vision.

Offline NicholasMyra

  • Avowed denominationalist
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,560
  • Nepsis or Sepsis™
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian+Greek
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2013, 03:03:06 AM »
Making twins the old fashioned way is much more fun.
Πάντα μὲν καθαρὰ τοῖς καθαροῖς
Τοῖς δὲ μεμιασμένοις καὶ ἀπίστοις οὐδὲν καθαρόν

http://hyperdoxherman.tumblr.com/

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,725
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2013, 02:52:59 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2013, 10:17:24 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
It never has in the past. 

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,725
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2013, 08:33:38 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
It never has in the past. 

Precisely.  I wonder what sanctions/punishments accompany that ban for those who violate it and get caught?
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2013, 08:35:47 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
It never has in the past. 

Precisely.  I wonder what sanctions/punishments accompany that ban for those who violate it and get caught?

Very good question.  I have no idea.

Offline biro

  • Site Supporter
  • Hoplitarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 17,365
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2013, 12:49:22 PM »
Making twins the old fashioned way is much more fun.

 ;D

Offline yeshuaisiam

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,697
  • A pulling horse cannot kick.
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2013, 01:17:11 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 

Well, supposedly they did find Nimrod's tomb.  U.S. military surrounded it as well as Israel secret service.... (google for sources as there are many).
 ??? ??? ???

Some say the cloned Nimrod will be the antichrist.... Love stuff like this.   It's fun, has a point, is vexing, is outrage!, and great all at the same time.

If you want to visit some fun stuff, google about this topic.  ;D
I learned how to be more frugal and save money at http://www.livingpress.com

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The cat is back and its better than ever!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,705
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2013, 01:26:20 PM »
They already did clone Nimrod.  He was a US president.  ;D

(I'll leave it to someone else to conjecture who that is)
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2013, 10:31:30 PM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2013, 10:34:37 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2013, 01:14:11 AM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it?

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2013, 01:17:04 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent?  
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe.  Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done.  Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive.  Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong?  Didn’t think so.

Oh, and your shot at the wrong target.  I said it and he repeated what I said. 
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 01:17:45 AM by Kerdy »

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2013, 10:00:46 AM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it?
Where is this suffering from a horrible death?

Don't slip to hard on that slope
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2013, 10:02:24 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent?  
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe.  Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done.  Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive.  Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong?  Didn’t think so.

Oh, and your shot at the wrong target.  I said it and he repeated what I said. 
I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2013, 10:12:18 AM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it?
Where is this suffering from a horrible death?

Don't slip to hard on that slope

Refusal to answer?  I am shocked. ::)

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2013, 10:13:55 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent?  
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe.  Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done.  Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive.  Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong?  Didn’t think so.

Oh, and your shot at the wrong target.  I said it and he repeated what I said. 
I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading.

I understood what you wrote.  If not, you should have no problem explaining.  Perhaps you meant something different.

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2013, 10:15:35 AM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it?
Where is this suffering from a horrible death?

Don't slip to hard on that slope

Refusal to answer?  I am shocked. ::)
And I take issue with how your question was worded, so you need to answer mine first.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2013, 10:16:46 AM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent?  
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

Calling someone self-righteous whenever a person feels uncomfortable with what is said is like calling everyone who disagrees with homosexual activities a homophobe.  Its insinuation is lost after about the third time it’s done.  Nothing either of us said was self-righteous and to make the claim is impulsive.  Do you call your priest self-righteous when he says sin is wrong?  Didn’t think so.

Oh, and your shot at the wrong target.  I said it and he repeated what I said. 
I forgot your inability to understand what you are reading.

I understood what you wrote.  If not, you should have no problem explaining.  Perhaps you meant something different.
You still missed "the target". I'll wait till you have read it.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The cat is back and its better than ever!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,705
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2013, 10:19:56 AM »
So...this is fun.  :P
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,725
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2013, 01:17:36 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

So, let's see.....I'm trying to understand your point here.  You highlighted the first clause of the sentence I repeated from Kerdy's post, and then wrote, "We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness."  Were your words a reference to me and you are saying that I don't care about morals and ethics anymore?  Or were they a reference to Kerdy and saying that he doesn't care about morals and ethics anymore?  If either of those is the case, that seems like a) an ad hominem attack, AND b) Achronos talking out his ass again, trying to be clever and it ain't working.  You see, you have no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement about either of us, thus making the statement a lie.  Yes, I wrote "lie".  You are lying either about me or about Kerdy or about both of us---if your statement is to be understood as I believe you meant it.  But, hopefully I'm wrong and you didn't mean it that way.

So...that's the first possibility.

Another is (you see, I'm trying to give you an "out" here--if there is one, that is)....well, how else would one understand your post?  Ok, got it--you're saying that I or Kerdy don't have "...the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent" to clone humans.  Well, that's true.  But why even make such a statement?  I'm pretty sure Kerdy wouldn't even consider it and I know I wouldn't consider it.  So, what's IS your point?
 
Or...are you just having a bad day and the venom spews all by itself from your brain through your fingers onto the keyboard?
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2013, 06:15:52 PM »
If this can cure cancer and other degenerative diseases, I am all for it.
If killing ten thousand people saves millions of people, but the ten thousand must suffer a horrible death, would you still be for it?
Where is this suffering from a horrible death?

Don't slip to hard on that slope

Refusal to answer?  I am shocked. ::)
And I take issue with how your question was worded, so you need to answer mine first.
No

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2013, 06:44:35 PM »
My understanding is cloning humans has already been banned.

Given that few care about morals and ethics anymore; given that it's an evil sinful world with blurred vision; is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness.

So, let's see.....I'm trying to understand your point here.  You highlighted the first clause of the sentence I repeated from Kerdy's post, and then wrote, "We already know you don't, so knock it off with the self-righteousness."  Were your words a reference to me and you are saying that I don't care about morals and ethics anymore?  Or were they a reference to Kerdy and saying that he doesn't care about morals and ethics anymore?  If either of those is the case, that seems like a) an ad hominem attack, AND b) Achronos talking out his ass again, trying to be clever and it ain't working.  You see, you have no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement about either of us, thus making the statement a lie.  Yes, I wrote "lie".  You are lying either about me or about Kerdy or about both of us---if your statement is to be understood as I believe you meant it.  But, hopefully I'm wrong and you didn't mean it that way.

So...that's the first possibility.

Another is (you see, I'm trying to give you an "out" here--if there is one, that is)....well, how else would one understand your post?  Ok, got it--you're saying that I or Kerdy don't have "...the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent" to clone humans.  Well, that's true.  But why even make such a statement?  I'm pretty sure Kerdy wouldn't even consider it and I know I wouldn't consider it.  So, what's IS your point?
 
Or...are you just having a bad day and the venom spews all by itself from your brain through your fingers onto the keyboard?
Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible, but not yet at Isa's terrible level.

Then you say few people care about such things which makes you self-righteous.

Many of us actually do care about the wellbeing of our fellow man.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2013, 06:48:17 PM »
Quote
is that ban going to stop someone with the knowledge, skill, money, determination, and intent? 
Sounds like a good starting point on what should be classified as immoral.

Let's try corporations that do all of the above.

Sinful? Absolutely. In fact the very beginnings of commerce is sinful in itself.

But you remain mute when it doesn't involve the destruction of a fetus.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline TheTrisagion

  • The cat is back and its better than ever!
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 12,705
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2013, 07:05:57 PM »
Quote
Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible


 :o Well THAT escalated quickly...
Guys! They're not intercoursing. It's just an unfortunate angle.

Offline Shiny

  • Site Supporter
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,267
  • Paint It Red
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2013, 07:24:56 PM »
Quote
Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible


 :o Well THAT escalated quickly...

Oh let me be jocular please.

I just want J Michael to get angry at other things.

In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 07:30:37 PM by Achronos »
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

– St. Ambrose of Milan

Offline Papist

  • Patriarch of Pontification
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 13,292
  • An Ideal to Strive Towards
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2013, 12:52:26 AM »
Quote
Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible


 :o Well THAT escalated quickly...

Oh let me be jocular please.

I just want J Michael to get angry at other things.

In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light...
Because everyone who disagrees with you is a bad person, right?
My posts no longer forum here.

Offline Kerdy

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,813
Re: Cloning humans
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2013, 04:35:39 AM »
Quote
Considering your politics, you don't care about morals or ethics, let alone being a decent human being. On my scale of human goodness, you rank horrible


 :o Well THAT escalated quickly...

Oh let me be jocular please.

I just want J Michael to get angry at other things.

In all honesty his politics shows him in a very negative light...
Because everyone who disagrees with you is a bad person, right?

Bingo!