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« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2013, 12:18:06 PM »

Why would disability prevent someone from becoming Orthodox is beyond my comprehension.

Maybe if you're thinking of it in terms of beliefs, but it may just be a practical matter of not being able to travel far, inaccessibility of the Orthodox parish (e.g., no ramps, elevator/lift, etc.), or some other similar factors.  At least in the US, I've come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't.  Many of those were older buildings.   
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« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2013, 01:21:17 PM »

Maybe if you're thinking of it in terms of beliefs, but it may just be a practical matter of not being able to travel far, inaccessibility of the Orthodox parish (e.g., no ramps, elevator/lift, etc.), or some other similar factors.  At least in the US, I've come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't.  Many of those were older buildings.    

  I can't drive and I'd depend on access transit to get there, on weekends it's notoriously unreliable.

  I'm not in a wheelchair, I just don't have a drivers license and cannot obtain one for medical reasons.
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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2013, 01:24:22 PM »

Maybe if you're thinking of it in terms of beliefs, but it may just be a practical matter of not being able to travel far, inaccessibility of the Orthodox parish (e.g., no ramps, elevator/lift, etc.), or some other similar factors.  At least in the US, I've come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't.  Many of those were older buildings.    

  I can't drive and I'd depend on access transit to get there, on weekends it's notoriously unreliable.

  I'm not in a wheelchair, I just don't have a drivers license and cannot obtain one for medical reasons.


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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2013, 01:52:39 PM »

Maybe if you're thinking of it in terms of beliefs, but it may just be a practical matter of not being able to travel far, inaccessibility of the Orthodox parish (e.g., no ramps, elevator/lift, etc.), or some other similar factors.  At least in the US, I've come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't.  Many of those were older buildings.    

  I can't drive and I'd depend on access transit to get there, on weekends it's notoriously unreliable.

  I'm not in a wheelchair, I just don't have a drivers license and cannot obtain one for medical reasons.


Have you talked to the priest? Perhaps someone in the parish lives nearby and would be willing to give you a ride to church. We've been doing this for a college student for three years now, and another of our parishioners is providing transportation for one of our elder members who no longer drives.
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2013, 01:55:50 PM »

So I sometimes wonder if it would be possible to join the Orthodox church but attend at an Episcopal church much of the time.

No.

Not meaning to be a back-seat poster, but you realize Daedelus said "attend" not "commune at" right? (Just checking.)
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« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2013, 01:57:43 PM »

Why would disability prevent someone from becoming Orthodox is beyond my comprehension.

Maybe if you're thinking of it in terms of beliefs, but it may just be a practical matter of not being able to travel far, inaccessibility of the Orthodox parish (e.g., no ramps, elevator/lift, etc.), or some other similar factors.  At least in the US, I've come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't.  Many of those were older buildings.   

Come to think of it, I too have come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't. Exactly as many. Wink
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« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2013, 02:58:36 PM »

To be honest, most Protestant Churches--other than Lutherans and Episcopal/Anglicans--rarely have "Communion" except maybe once a month at the most. I imagine it was not a problem for most converts as it came up so infrequently. As for myself, I never dealt with this because I wasn't attending a Protestant Church at all when I decided to convert.
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« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2013, 03:06:11 PM »

So I sometimes wonder if it would be possible to join the Orthodox church but attend at an Episcopal church much of the time.

No.

Not meaning to be a back-seat poster, but you realize Daedelus said "attend" not "commune at" right? (Just checking.)

I do realize.
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« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2013, 03:26:58 PM »

So I sometimes wonder if it would be possible to join the Orthodox church but attend at an Episcopal church much of the time.

No.

Not meaning to be a back-seat poster, but you realize Daedelus said "attend" not "commune at" right? (Just checking.)

I do realize.

So noted. Smiley
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« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2013, 03:29:19 PM »

Btw, Daedelus, if there hasn't already been a thread about this, why did you select Orthodoxy as opposed to (for example) Catholicism? (My apologies if there has already been a thread about it.)
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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2013, 04:23:38 PM »

Come to think of it, I too have come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't. Exactly as many. Wink

Ugh, what an idiot that Mor guy is.  Tongue  I knew that sentence was horrible, but for some reason I couldn't think it out clearly.  The first edition of that post (before I revised it to what I posted) had something like a quadruple negative. 
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« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2013, 04:40:37 PM »

Come to think of it, I too have come across as many churches that were not user-friendly for the disabled as I have those that weren't. Exactly as many. Wink

Ugh, what an idiot that Mor guy is.  Tongue  I knew that sentence was horrible, but for some reason I couldn't think it out clearly.  The first edition of that post (before I revised it to what I posted) had something like a quadruple negative. 

Tongue

Well, in terms of degree-of-clumsiness, it didn't rank higher than the typical posting mistakes. But it was interesting philosophically.
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« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2013, 10:32:19 PM »

Btw, Daedelus, if there hasn't already been a thread about this, why did you select Orthodoxy as opposed to (for example) Catholicism? (My apologies if there has already been a thread about it.)

  Well, in short I judge the Papacy to be bankrupt as an institution, no matter what I think of Benedict XVI or Francis I as a human being.  I don't believe the hype.   The West's view of spiritual authority is bunk, I think Luther and Melchanchthon were the only good Western theologians of the pre-modern period.   Having said that, I respect the Roman Catholic faith, but I don't agree with its leadership model.

  I could see myself possibly becomming High Church Anglican or even perhaps Lutheran, but most of Protestantism I also consider a failure spiritually.  I'm an admirer of Luther, actually, but I think modern Lutherans are mostly just like any other Protestant and I'd never join the LCMS due to their rabid anti-Catholicism.   If I remain Anglican- I've got to find a way to get away from a conservative Evangelical parish, it doesn't jive with me.   I like liberal Anglicans better and the biblicism/quasi-calvinism is garbage.
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« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2013, 07:13:25 AM »

Btw, Daedelus, if there hasn't already been a thread about this, why did you select Orthodoxy as opposed to (for example) Catholicism? (My apologies if there has already been a thread about it.)

  Well, in short I judge the Papacy to be bankrupt as an institution, no matter what I think of Benedict XVI or Francis I as a human being.

I think I know what you mean. Frankly, if I wasn't already Catholic, I wouldn't become Catholic; I would be PNCC. (Nothing against Anglo-Catholics, I just don't have much contact with them, whereas the PNCC are kind of my family.) I'm bothered by some of the baggage that we (Catholics) have, e.g. Vatican I -- some would also say Vatican II, but I tend to see that more as an attempt to improve things. I like the post-Vatican-II ecumenism, including the fact that we permit non-Roman catholics to receive communion in some circumstances.
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« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2013, 10:31:49 AM »

I think I know what you mean. Frankly, if I wasn't already Catholic, I wouldn't become Catholic; I would be PNCC. (Nothing against Anglo-Catholics, I just don't have much contact with them, whereas the PNCC are kind of my family.) I'm bothered by some of the baggage that we (Catholics) have, e.g. Vatican I -- some would also say Vatican II, but I tend to see that more as an attempt to improve things. I like the post-Vatican-II ecumenism, including the fact that we permit non-Roman catholics to receive communion in some circumstances.

   I do think Vatican II was an improvement, especially a desire to become more conciliar.  But its not hard to see how the problems with priestly abuse are not due to a culture where hierarchy is elevated to a point that it becomes unaccountable.   It's been weakenend now in practical terms by both conservatives (LeFebre and the SSPX crowd) and liberals (Hans Kung etc), so maybe for practical purposes it is not as big a concern, but there are enough laity that have learned the lesson to never speak out that the damage is done.

  My spirituality is more along the lines of Luther (not Lutheranism so much as Luther himself) or Therese of Lisieux also (who I'd argue was probably the greatest Roman Catholic theologian).   I sometimes have similar issues with the quasi-legalism present in Orthodoxy as well.

   
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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2013, 08:07:25 PM »

I just simply don't go to non-Orthodox services anymore if I can help it.  If I can't, there usually isn't any Communion anyway.  I'm not sure if I would take Communion if it was offered to me, as it hasn't happened in a while.  On one hand, it doesn't have any real significance and I'm usually hungry by that point in a service.  On the other, it is a sign that one agrees with the church offering the Communion. 

At this point, I think I would politely decline, since I want to wait until my first real Eucharist. 
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« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2013, 01:36:38 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?
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« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2013, 01:43:40 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 
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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2013, 07:38:11 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

Yes.  It doesn't really seem incongruous to me.
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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2013, 07:39:37 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.
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« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2013, 03:10:06 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
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« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2013, 03:18:23 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
Sure beats potato chips and Coca Cola. Tongue
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« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2013, 03:21:00 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
Sure beats potato chips and Coca Cola. Tongue

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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2013, 03:26:42 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
They had red, Concord Post Familie grape juice at my old church.  It was a fairly large church, though. 
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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2013, 03:35:18 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
I see we had similar upbringings. lol
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« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2013, 03:40:49 PM »

Hi Didyma. Just speaking for myself, this ^^ seems quite incongruous: on the one hand, you don't even go to non-Orthodox services except when you can't help it, but on the other hand you would consider receiving communion at such a service?

If hungry.  Then Didyma would. 

Sometimes you've got the rumblies.  Rumblies that only artisan bread and fancy grape juice can satisfy.

Artisan bread?  Lucky you!  I had plain ol' saltine crackers growing up.  But Welch's does satisfy.
Sure beats potato chips and Coca Cola. Tongue
What, no hot dogs?  I thought this was the Unitarian-Universalist communion/sing-along.
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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2013, 05:05:22 PM »

All the joking and knee-slapping about the Protestant practices that may have once been your own is probably more of a sign of the distance you've yet to travel then any sort of lofty new vantage point.
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« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2013, 05:07:42 PM »

All the joking and knee-slapping about the Protestant practices they may have once been your own is probably more of a sign of the distance you've yet to travel then any sort of lofty new vantage point.

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