You did not say it outright. You inferred it.
I did not infer anything! I said my point about the New Testament and penalties many times, read carefully.
What many call the "civil sense" and the "spiritual sense" I am calling non-capital offences and capital offences. Under the old covenant non-capital offences were covered by the animal sacrifices. But there were no sacrifices for capital offences. They were punishable by death. If the old is done away, then the animal sacrifices are done away for non-capital offences, and the death penalty is done away for capital offences. Sexual immorality, breaking the sabbath, cursing father and mother, and murder are all still capital offences. It's just that the death of Christ took away the death penalty.
Well, then you have the problem from differing civil and spiritual, not we. In other words, for the sins that you call capital offences, the authorities do not always see as crime. So, the state does not interfere if parents and children do not love each other. And the NT, unlike the law, does not contain punishments that need to be prescribed for everything that God considers sin. Unlike the OT, the NT is not a law that organizes the political life of the Christians. Paul, for example, respected the Roman law. Even later, the Church, respected the Roman law. For example in the dealing with the Donatists. That is why lawyers say that the NT never says anything about putting away death penalty or not.
Nathan the prophet said to David,
"Your sin is put away, you shall not die."
Yes, God forgave David, but many others died. David did not die, but many died. The forgiveness to David Do you know why? Because David repented bitterly for his sins. But, that did not save his baby. The baby died as a punishment. Should I mention other examples?
Jesus put away our sin. So how can we be put to death? He was put to death in our stead!
That does not mean that we can not sin, or that we are saved even if we sin!
Okay, so if a murderer repents of his sin he should NOT be put to death because God's dealings with David was a token of how He deals with His children under the new covenant.
From what I see you are not a lawyer. If you were, you would have known that if a person repents sincerely, or as the lawyers call it "effective repentance", the person has the possibility to receive lesser punishment for his crimes
. But there are cases when a person DOES NOT REPENT, even before court. That is the case many times with recidivists, like pedophiles, murderers, rapists etc.
You did not answer why "double jeopardy" is necessary. If God will punish pedophiles and murderers, then why do they have be punished by death and then punished again? Putting then in prison is sufficient. This would be equivalent to God's pre-Mosaic method which was banishment.
You compare God's punishment, which can be eternal, with the punishment by the authorities, which is temporal?! Even if a person is sentenced to death, that person can repent sincerely! But as i said in many times, many people does not repent!
No! The dagger was NOT for punishment. It corresponded to the modern policeman's sidearm which is used ONLY to PREVENT crime though this may involve the use of force. You are confusing necessary force with punishment. It is NOT punishment. It is NOT execution. You have no proof from Romans 13 that the secular authorities have the authority to EXECUTE men.
The police today sometimes uses the gun too, do not forget that! Should i post examples here for something that obvious? In many cases the police executes people that hold hostages or do other similar things. Is that murder? Of course it is not murder.
From Romans 13, as i said many times, there is nothing that approves or disapproves death penalty, but from Romans 13 we can see that we should respect authority, just as Paul says. And Paul respected the Roman authorities and the Roman law. He never preached against that law, which later was adopted also by the Christians.
The death penalty is prohibited in the NT by a fortiori. Peter says that we have entered into the "sure mercies of David." Nathan the prophet said, "Your sin is put away, you shall not die." Christ put our sin away. Therefore, we shall not die.
Peter is speaking about spiritual things, not secular things. In the Epistles written by Peter you will not find anything that refers as to how the state should be organized, what laws are needed etc. In that Epistles there is nothing secular.
Exactly! I am glad you said this. God used banishment before the law of Moses. Now Moses has been done away! So we should banish the offender by putting him into prison.
Wrong! I said just to see where you will lead the discussion, and you ended in you negating your own point about the punishments before Moses. You know why? Because even before the law of Moses death penalty was used. What would have happened to Tamar, when she slept with Judas? She would have been burnt alive if she did not show the proofs
! What happened to those the person that took the daughter of Jacob and slept with her? He was killed also. Did God view that as sin? From the Old Testament, we see that God did not object to that.
Oh, but Cain does fit my point perfectly well. Before Moses God banished murderers. Moses has been done away. Therefore, banishment would be the only biblical way.
But the case of Tamar and the case of the daughter of Jacob shows that the example does not fit your point, and from what we can see, the period before Moses does not support your thesis. You ended calling on example that negates your own point