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« on: May 11, 2013, 09:07:59 PM »

http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/ortho_cath.html


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This question has been asked many times. Most Orthodox, in attempting to distinguish between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism, usually mention the Pope or Purgatory, sometimes the filioque. Historically, the differences, however, are far more numerous and quite profound.

While this specifically addresses the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, it also addresses many topics we debate here and clarifies them.  I thought it interesting and wanted to share.

As I understand, there is some controversy surrounding the author, but I know little about him.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 02:19:43 AM »

No thoughts?
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 06:17:07 AM »

Some are valid, others less so. Is the whole azyme-thing really that important?
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2013, 08:20:29 AM »

I just found it interesting as it mentioned several things we discuss on a regular basis.  I was wondering what others thought.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2013, 03:52:58 PM »

Some are valid, others less so. Is the whole azyme-thing really that important?

Well, azymes were anathematized as being Appollinarian. You could challenge the holy fathers on that. I'm sure they'll get back to you.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 03:53:54 PM »

Some are valid, others less so. Is the whole azyme-thing really that important?

Well, azymes were anathematized as being Appollinarian. You could challenge the holy fathers on that. I'm sure they'll get back to you.

I recant.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 03:57:52 PM »

Some are valid, others less so. Is the whole azyme-thing really that important?

Well, azymes were anathematized as being Appollinarian. You could challenge the holy fathers on that. I'm sure they'll get back to you.

I recant.

Didn't mean to be cheeky with you.

You can find the anathema in the Synodikon of Orthodoxy, IIRC. AFAIK, the only Christians using azymes early on were the Armenians--and possibly before Chalcedon. The Latins did not adopt azymes until the 8th or 9th century. I don't think they suddenly adopted Appollinarianism then. My guess is it was the result of confusion combined with pastoral issues, but that's just a shot in the dark.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013, 04:27:33 PM »

Too polemical. I think it takes some issues to extremes that either create straw-men or deny the use of things that don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive to the Orthodox faith. FWIW, he lists the presence/absence of beards among clergy as a difference and the priest where I've been attending does not have a beard. It's not my intention to speak less than positively about something written by an Orthodox priest or OCF for posting it on their website, but I personally don't think it's a good resource.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 06:32:58 PM »

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It is entirely inadequate and misleading. Significant errors in almost every section, especially the first four. The problem with these and other such arguments put forth on a popular level online is that they show no real knowledge of Roman Catholic theology. Shadow boxing with an imagined opponent.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 06:47:05 PM »

No thoughts?

It is entirely inadequate and misleading. Significant errors in almost every section, especially the first four. The problem with these and other such arguments put forth on a popular level online is that they show no real knowledge of Roman Catholic theology. Shadow boxing with an imagined opponent.

Who else would you shadow box with?
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2013, 02:30:22 PM »

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Shadow boxing with an imagined opponent.

Who else would you shadow box with?

Speaking out of pure ignorance, as in not viewing yet and my own stupidity, I think the word "religion" meant "to bind together" or "to re-align with", and I find reasons to separate us from one another a justification to hate and kill. At least rationally and historically speaking, don't you?

So I read about a minute AND my bad animal mood follows me : St. Basil the Great didn't know beans about bees.
They collect pollen & nectar and then process them to "make" honey, just as MEN have taken the Word of God and made their own ignorance and judgment on their brothers in order to behave as Cain did with Able.

The good Father's characterization of both churches can stand the test of argumentation, however Orthodoxy has taught me during Great Lent that much of what we do and say IS prideful, sinful and distracts us from the work that He calls us to do, daily.
Or may I should just put reading the rest of his position off until my mood changes, so help me God! Or is it by helping me I should go outside and continue Spring planting and tending my hives?! In either case YES is the answer!

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