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« on: May 10, 2013, 04:52:04 PM »


What is going on at the beginning of the liturgy in this video?

It almost seems to me like it's similar to our Proskemedia, especially where he takes the bread and the lance/spear (is that the Coptic lance?) and puts it on his forehead.

Is the first part of the video just the Coptic form of the Proskemedia (which it seems is being on on the altar rather than on a separate table of preparation)?
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 04:54:58 PM »

IIRC it is called the "Selection of the Lamb" and it is the Alexandrian equivalent of Constantinople's Prokemedia.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 05:34:40 PM »

yes, it is called that.
he chooses the nicest loaf of bread (while the people pray 'Lord have mercy'), puts a little wine on it and some water and then (after praying) lifts it above his head with the cross (we don't use a lance; we break the bread only using fingers) and prays 'Glory and honour' to God, and processes around the altar.
we don't use a separate table, as the bread does not get broken up until just before we take Holy Communion.
at a specific part towards the end of the liturgy it is incompletely divided into sections, but not separated.

this means there is no lengthy preparation process, and so no separation between the preparation and the rest of the liturgy.
this, i think, is nice.
what we don't do so well, is that we don't do the great entrance (except at major feasts) and i think we really miss out on that. i love it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 05:54:14 PM »

Check out pages 16-19:

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 09:43:00 PM »

See the second of these videos: http://www.stmaryscopticorthodox.ca/index.php/english/abouna-s-blog/15-understanding-the-liturgy-video

Or for more detail: this book: http://www.stmaryscopticorthodox.ca/content/books/liturgy.pdf Pages 1-9
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