scripture speaks of judgement, how do you conclude there is an "overemphasis"?
I would understand the references to judgement and legality in the Scriptures to be--as all imagery in the Scriptures--metaphor serving a pedagogical purpose to emphasize a certain point or spiritual lesson. In Christ's parables and in various parts of the Bible, we see SEVERAL different similes and metaphors of what God is like and what it will be like. when we stand before Him. None of them should fully be understand as the 100% literal truth. This is what the Fathers of the Church bear witness to in their writings. St. Isaac the Syrian especially said that references and imagery of judgement in the Bible shouldn't be understand as literally, and that "mercy triumphs judgement." I have no doubt that guilt and forgiveness plays at least some part in salvation, but my thoughts are that the west overemphasizes it through virtually ignoring deification/theosis and only focusing on attaining a legal acquittal from God, reducing salvation to a single, one-time event.
the Bible teaches that Christ will return as judge.
This is what I mean by Americans not paying enough attention to literary techniques and context--such as hyperbole, imagery, metaphor or poetry. This especially shines through their biblical exgesis. Just because the Bible says Christ will return as a judge does not mean you have to take it 100% literally--especially the consensus of the Church Fathers was that you didn't, and strict literalism didn't arise until the 19th century.
You may have justice under law or mercy under grace.
Having justice and mercy is a contradiction. You either accept one or the other. I accept mercy because if I were to accept justice, I'd probably not deserve to live.
true. Paul himself makes the point.
I sure haven't seen it. I've seen several allusions to Christ destroying death and paying the "ransom", but nothing suggesting that it was to God the Father. I find it disturbing how western Christianity has no problem accepting scapegoating.
Once saved, you have "passed from death unto life" there is, "therefore now no condemnation".
A legalistic acquittal; just as I said. In Orthodoxy, we have deification.
So you don't acknowledge your true moral guilt before a righteous God.
LOL. I always find it funny when Protestants accuse us of this. Open up any Orthodox Prayer book and you will see more prayers of repentance that go one for pages than in probably any other religion. We certainly acknowledge our badness, but instead of focusing so much on merely being "forgiven" and "acquitted" of it through scapegoating, we focus on allowing God to heal us of it.
If you're not guilty, you have nothing to repent of. The Pharisees thought they were righteous too!
Only I never said I wasn't guilty
which scripture do you get this from?
I listed several in my excerpt. Did you even read the whole thing?
"Missing the mark"
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3:17-19 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
I don't get your point.
ah, you don't sin,
Strawman of my position. Plus, if you've ever seen my countless threads on self-abuse, you'd see that I'm one of the most open sinners here
so you don't need salvation ie
Yes I do; I still need to be healed and restored as "partakers of the Divine nature." I don't think you read anything at all I wrote about salvation but just paraphrased a few sentences.
Have you never read of God's anger with Israel's sin?
That was all an act on God's part to instill a concept of right and wrong in the Israeli people and to prepare them for His true character--which is that of a doctor who wants to heal you. Hence the pedagogical purpose. In order to accept healing and mercy, one has to accept that they have something wrong with them. God's harshness toward Israel did just that.
the Bible teaches that your spirit is immortal but you will lose your soul.
I don't understand what you mean here nor what point you are making. Then again, being a big rationalist, I have trouble understanding any mystical terms such as "spirit" or "soul."
It teaches that the ultimate consequence of sin is eternal separation from God.
No it doesn't; prove it. Especially when 2 Thessalonians 1 tells us that people are tormented FROM the presence of God's glory; not because of "separation" from Him. Just as St. Isaac the Syrian said that hellfire is the love of God.
Do you actually read your Bible?
I've been quoting several Scriptures in my correspondance with you along with my quoted works I've linked; I'd say I do
Only difference is that I don't rush through it in a speed contest like Protestants who gloss over the true meaning in order to be able to brag about how fast they read it. It took me a over a year to complete the New Testament, and I don't regret one bit of the time I took
the Bible says, th "wages of sin is death". How is that NOT a "consequence"?
It is a consequence; just not from God and not in the sense of punishment. It is a consequence in the same sense that if you eat McDonalds every day, you will become obese.