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Placement of sermon?
« on: May 02, 2013, 10:15:09 AM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy. 

On a side note, is it normal to insert a sermon into Holy Unction?  I wasn't expecting one last night and it really disrupted the flow (not to mention my feet fell asleep after 30 minutes.  Father gives very long sermons.)

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 10:24:48 AM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy.  


The proper place for the sermon is straight after the Gospel. However, largely because of the general tendency in many parishes for a good number of folks to turn up later than the Gospel, priests in such parishes often give the sermon at the end of the Liturgy, before the dismissal.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 10:25:26 AM »
Our priest inserts it after the Great Entrance.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 01:46:51 PM »
As far as being "normal" to preach a bit at the Unction service?  As a "PK" it has been my experience that it is abnormal for a priest not to talk a bit during allmost any service!

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 02:50:42 PM »
It goes after the gospel and before the creed, as the BCP dictates. wait....

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 03:10:04 PM »
As far as being "normal" to preach a bit at the Unction service?  As a "PK" it has been my experience that it is abnormal for a priest not to talk a bit during allmost any service!

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 03:24:21 PM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy. 

Per LBK, preaching is supposed to be right after the Gospel by the books. In practice, priests will do it at all sort of add times.

Myself, I'm partial to sermons after the Gospel...it's a natural breaking point in the service, the text of the reading is still fresh in people's minds, and no one is tired yet.

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On a side note, is it normal to insert a sermon into Holy Unction?  I wasn't expecting one last night and it really disrupted the flow (not to mention my feet fell asleep after 30 minutes.  Father gives very long sermons.)

No, only at the DL. But some priests are taking up a policy of preaching at every single service.

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 03:24:33 PM »
As far as being "normal" to preach a bit at the Unction service?  As a "PK" it has been my experience that it is abnormal for a priest not to talk a bit during allmost any service!

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 03:31:48 PM »
At home, after the Gospel.  At the Unction service and Royal Hours, one right after each reading is over.

Today, I went to a Greek Church.  The sermon (which btw was all in English, as was the Gospel, by a Greek immigrant priest.  At least half the service was in English, although it seemed almost everyone was Greek-although I did overhear a Romanian) was right before communion.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 03:46:37 PM »

I believe that during Divine Liturgy, it ought to be after the Gospel....when the catechumens are still present and able to "learn" from the message being given.

We used to have it than....but, now it's usually at the end.

I think it's at the end, after the dismissal, because this allows the priest to give announcements in addition to his sermon.  He couldn't very well announce the upcoming picnic or school event, in the middle of Liturgy...it would be wrong.  However, at the end...it seems better.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 03:51:13 PM »
At home, after the Gospel.  At the Unction service and Royal Hours, one right after each reading is over.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 03:57:59 PM »

LOL!   I am picturing Isa giving a sermon "at home" after his evening prayers.   :angel:
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 05:58:42 PM »
As far as being "normal" to preach a bit at the Unction service?  As a "PK" it has been my experience that it is abnormal for a priest not to talk a bit during allmost any service!

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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 11:53:19 PM »
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At home, after the Gospel.  At the Unction service and Royal Hours, one right after each reading is over.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yikes! When we were kids, the older altar boys were chosen to serve at the Passion Gospel service with the twelve, including the super long first, gospel readings It was tradition to scare the new kids who never attended before by telling them that there was going to be a sermon after EACH reading. .....
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 11:56:27 PM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy. 

On a side note, is it normal to insert a sermon into Holy Unction?  I wasn't expecting one last night and it really disrupted the flow (not to mention my feet fell asleep after 30 minutes.  Father gives very long sermons.)

There's no rule for or against a sermon being given anywhere.

And what is this flow anyway? I wasn't aware we had this in Orthodoxy.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2013, 11:58:50 PM »
As far as being "normal" to preach a bit at the Unction service?  As a "PK" it has been my experience that it is abnormal for a priest not to talk a bit during allmost any service!

LOL. Fellow PK here can well relate. On the way home, sometimes it was Mom's turn to go give a sermon. Maybe this is why I love silence. :)
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 12:00:39 AM »
At home, after the Gospel.  At the Unction service and Royal Hours, one right after each reading is over.

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The service of the Twelve Gospels and Twelve Sermons has got to be great.
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 01:26:16 PM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy.  

On a side note, is it normal to insert a sermon into Holy Unction?  I wasn't expecting one last night and it really disrupted the flow (not to mention my feet fell asleep after 30 minutes.  Father gives very long sermons.)

There's no rule for or against a sermon being given anywhere.

And what is this flow anyway? I wasn't aware we had this in Orthodoxy.

You don't perceive Orthodox services as having a flow?
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Re: Placement of sermon?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2013, 11:20:55 AM »
Why is it there is no specific place for the sermon?  Some churches do it after the gospel and some at the end of Liturgy.  

On a side note, is it normal to insert a sermon into Holy Unction?  I wasn't expecting one last night and it really disrupted the flow (not to mention my feet fell asleep after 30 minutes.  Father gives very long sermons.)

There's no rule for or against a sermon being given anywhere.

And what is this flow anyway? I wasn't aware we had this in Orthodoxy.

You don't perceive Orthodox services as having a flow?

Not really. Nothing that would differentiate it specially.
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